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#1389128 - 08/28/03 11:05 PM So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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I thought I'd try to anticipate some of the selection criteria that Aspect Simulations might use to judge prospective beta testing candidates. Here's what I came up with, and please feel free to add any other qualifications that you think should be added to the list!

Demonstrated knowledge of the subject matter (of WWI aviation history, and of current flight sim developments in general)

An ability to communicate (through the written word, and constructively)

The ability to use cognitive skills (for the identification and reporting of errors or problems, which is the primary purpose of beta testing)

Perceived trustworthiness (since the beta testing process is meant to correct problems, not publicize them)

So how do you think you score? \:D

Hey, I'll bet Aspect has a short list already started..........

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And trustworthiness regarding how the aircraft really was as opposed to how you would have liked it to be. \:D
I mean, my favourite WW1 aircraft was the Albatros DIII, primarily due to it's looks more than anything else. However I would not want to model it as an "uber-fighter" simply because I am well aware of it's faults.


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So how do you think you score?
Good question. I'll try to rate myself:

Demonstrated knowledge of the subject matter - 3.5 out of 5 (buff but not expert)

An ability to communicate - 5 out of 5 (well edumcated and message board veteran)

The ability to use cognitive skills - 4 out of 5 (previous developer experience, mild nitpicking disorder)

Perceived trustworthiness - dunno, but let's say 4.5 out of 5 (no leaks so far, but that may have something to do with the fact that I haven't been a beta tester either)

Average score: 4.125

Seems like I'm beta tester material. Sign me up! \:D


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And trustworthiness regarding how the aircraft really was as opposed to how you would have liked it to be. \:D
I mean, my favourite WW1 aircraft was the Albatros DIII, primarily due to it's looks more than anything else. However I would not want to model it as an "uber-fighter" simply because I am well aware of it's faults.
No one wants aircraft that "Uber".

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Believe I am pretty good with most of the criteria required - only trouble is my PC is a pile of sh*te!!!!!!

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I'm looking forward to this simulation. When you need testing and reporting I would be happy to assist.

#1389134 - 09/03/03 11:38 AM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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Here are a few other attributes:

1. Attention to detail. Self explanatory.

2. Discipline. I mean who really wants to fly around with a stop watch and check turn rates, roll rates, check indicated speed against actual speed over the game world? It's boring, but has to be done! Systemic checks, documented to the 'nth degree, no matter what the fun factor or lack thereof.

3. Character. Hard to quantify, but a man of good character will succeed where others fail. Period. He keeps his word. Part of keeping your word is not talking out of school. Good character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. Also goes hand in hand with discipline, since that is the book definition from FM 22-100 Military Leadership.

4. Mission oriented. Somebody who will put the mission ahead of his personal wants.

I think that's a more comprehensive yardstick. Everything else takes care of itself if those four itmes are in good order. It's not politically correct, but it's as true today as it ever was. Some things never change.


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Here is one aspect you didn't mention.
The applicant is not a slobbering fanboi, and is going to tell you up front and in no uncertain terms what the bugs, problems, innacuracies and gamplay issues are, instead of just blathering "gee, you giys R0Xx0Rs!"

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I qualify by default because I also beta tested Flying Corps Gold and Red Baron3D. I don't need no steenkin' other skills. :p

#1389137 - 09/03/03 02:15 PM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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Hi, I'd be interested in participating in the beta testing:

Previous beta testing:

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#1389138 - 09/03/03 05:39 PM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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So where do we apply?

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I would have to say that I fit all of the requirements above. After all, I'm the project leader for FS-WWI! \:D


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#1389140 - 09/03/03 06:07 PM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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beta testing wolud be nice...

1. i flyed most simulations since red baron 1 on amiga, il2 and forgotten battles in the last 2 years. i like aviation history and history of ww 1 and ww 2 in general, i read many books, build model planes vor nearly 15 years...

2. comunicate? if you can handle some errors from an not native english speaker \:D

3. ok, lets find the little bugs

4. hat is more fun to know something, that others do not know

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#1389141 - 09/03/03 10:02 PM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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Yep, count me in as interested.

1 Demonstration of WWI aviation knowledge: Average.

2 Ability to communicate: Over 15 international scientific publications including one in Nature, two in Science, one in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA, and two book chapters. Know how to use a spell checker.

3 Use of cognitive skills: University professor and researcher (molecular biology). Some 15 years of professional cognition and anal retentive!

4 Trustworthiness: Not a member of any clans, squads, groups, etc. to whom I would gossip. Know a thing or two about keeping my cards close to my chest (it's a big bad world out there after all).

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#1389142 - 09/04/03 12:41 AM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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I've gotta be in..........cause I made up the rules!!! ;\)

Besides that, I scored a perfect 10 (go figure), and my sister is Bo Derick.........and she wants to meet every Aspect designer too (and repeatedly)!!! \:D \:D \:D

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I'll volunteer. Been flying sims since F-16 on the Mac all the way through Forgotten Battles.

Besides, I"m a real life systems engineer with Lockheed Martin and have written a number of software test plans, test cases, and done tons of software testing. At least I know what developers should wnt with software trouble reports and the CM side of things.

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Well-- I am a researcher by profession and have a huge interest in all things flight...plus I live right next to Rhinebeck so I can get you guys any pics or info you would need ;\)

#1389145 - 09/04/03 08:49 PM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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I think it will be very hard to judge the ability of each plane, even for WW1 "experts". Pilot reports about plane performances are very subjective. Beside that, there are almost no data sheets about flight characteristics of WW1 planes i guess. Most things are based on 80 years old stories and myths. What it really needs is an aeronautical engineer who understands the physics of flight. Such people can say if a plane behaves plausible or not. I think many things are the same for all planes but the average guy just can't say if the FM makes sense or not. I hope that there are such engineers or pilots within the dev team. Maybe they should get in contact with warbird owners who still fly such WW1 planes.


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Since Beta Testing is still a year away, this list will have to be redone then.


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I've gotta be in..........cause I made up the rules!!! ;\)

Besides that, I scored a perfect 10 (go figure), and my sister is Bo Derick.........and she wants to meet every Aspect designer too (and repeatedly)!!! \:D \:D \:D
Bo Derek? She must be 60 years old by now!

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LOL!!!

Well, while thinkin' about celebs and movies The Blue Max came to mind.........figured Ursula 'Undress' was even older!!!

\:D

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Funny you mention the Blue Max. I've had it on order from Amazon for over a week. Due in any day, along with The Day the Earth Stood Still, and The Thing (From Another World). Can't wait !


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Funny you mention the Blue Max. I've had it on order from Amazon for over a week. Due in any day, along with The Day the Earth Stood Still, and The Thing (From Another World). Can't wait !
The Blue Max is probably one of the best air warfare movies ever made. I never get tired of watching that classic. \:\)

#1389151 - 09/10/03 02:35 PM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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Damn! I thought this thread was to apply for beta testing \:\(

Well I count myself as a real WWI buff - not just the airwar.

And for the rest pretty good. And I'll keep my mouth shut if it means I get to play the beta (lord knows we pay for enough bugs :p )

#1389152 - 10/07/03 08:26 PM Re: So you wanna be a KOE beta tester!  
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I am a natural born nitpicker. I find bugs like others coins on the street ;\) .

I fly sims since 1992 and i think i am a WW1, WW2 and a general aviation buff with quite some knowledge about the topic. Although i don't wanna jump on the FM train cause its hard to judge if the FM is wrong in general. But big errors are always obvious----> IL2/FB :/.
I'd like to beta test KoE. I want this sim to be a BlockBuster, so i'm eager to be part of the whole thing and share my ideas with the dev team to make this sim better. But be warned, i am not an eye candy fetishist.
I want you to make it realistic and not(too) pretty ;\) .

Where do i sign up?


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I qualify to all that and I'm a jolly decent fellow \:\)

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Yes, i want . i am a big WW1-airwar fan .


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forgot to say. i could take picture from a Fokker D VII , Halberstadt, machineguns and other stuff.(cockpits too )
have a connection to the "deutsches musseum " munich and to the flugwerft oberschleiheim.
also to the archiv of the deutsches musseum.
i am sure , there are tons of pictures about WW1 planes and ballons. i did already a search about an ballon for another flysim ;\) .

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I'd be interested \:\)

That is, if they're interested ;\)

But yea, I'd say I'm qualified. A BA in History (20th c. Europe). Been flying sims since I was 8 (Lucasarts BOB and Microprose's F19 anyone \:D )

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I think it will be very hard to judge the ability of each plane, even for WW1 "experts". Pilot reports about plane performances are very subjective. Beside that, there are almost no data sheets about flight characteristics of WW1 planes i guess. Most things are based on 80 years old stories and myths.
Yea, I remember those " climbs like a monkey" threads.

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I guess i missed these threads Kat ;\) .


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They are over at delphiforums.com Its closed now but you can still view the threads.

Hundreds of Replies.

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One more qualification/category:

Must be able to spend hours and hours trying to do things "wrong" just to see what happens, notice and report accurately.

If a sim is only tested at doing proper procedures then cracks and exploits won't show till it gets out. Of course if the development team doesn't listen to the testers... well it's not good. So testers that do what's "not real" just to see how/if it works and a team that responds is a very real need.


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One more qualification/category:

Must be able to spend hours and hours trying to do things "wrong" just to see what happens, notice and report accurately.
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LOL - many of us can do things to goes wrong in five minutes! \:D

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Well you have to be able to repeat it and describe it so that others can do the same and.... the plane has to react in an unreal way. Anyone can screw up flying but when it causes the plane to either screw up wrong, or still fly right, or even worse to fly better than when flown "right" then there's a problem that any tester who only checks if right moves get right results will miss every time!

Didja know that the corp Alb FM for RB3D has less drag the more you tilt the plane? Actually it's any plane in the sim that uses the particular wing the Albs do, out of about 4 different types, which is why at least some FM mods avoid that wing. Not the real wing, the wing code choice in the sim. And then there's the famous "shoot me so I can go faster" bug.....


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I want to beta test FlyXwire's sister Bo (repeatedly) she may be gettin' old, but so am I. \:D


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Hey Alfa-FO, beta-Bo says A-O-K to the LA layover. \:D

Get your ditty packed 'cause the fire's a burnin'. ;\)

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