Yep, you guys are right about the Crosswinds and I appreciate the input from you and Bo and anyone else who offered an opinion. I knew these were the ones I wanted, been eyeing them up for a couple years. Talking to you about it though made me more comfortable --not that there was anything to worry about really. But I suddenly felt ready to pull the trigger, and now they are under the desk. My control setup has cost US$1,570 (1000 for Cougar, 400 for Crosswinds, 20 for X Box Controller and 150 for Track IR.) Of course some of that is spread out over two decades, so from a cost per year or per hour viewpoint it's actually sort of cheap. I bet before I bought the Cougar I had gone through nearly that much in $100 Logitech Wingmans. Since then I've never needed another (but bought one anyway, just in case, the Uber NXT)