Originally Posted by ricnunes
Originally Posted by GrayGhost

When it comes to attacking targets, SAM is superior to TWS.


Anyway, SAM is not necessarily superior to TWS when it comes to attacking targets!


As it is modelled in sims, you are correct. With its RL limitations, TWS can not be trusted to successfully guide a missile. As GG has explained, in TWS there can be huge altitude ambiguities. You don't have those in SAM because the target is essentially STT locked for a short time, giving the radar the opportunity to determine the exact height of a target.

Originally Posted by ricnunes

Also in the F-16 TWS allows the pilot to engage up to 10 (TEN!!!!) at the same time. So here's a HUGE advantage of TWS when it comes to attacking targets, this compared to SAM.


Unless they are flying fingertips off each other, it is a given that TWS won't be able to cover the entire box that contains those 10 aircraft without constantly dropping tracks. If they start maneuvering, TWS stops working unless you have very short refresh times.

Originally Posted by ricnunes

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

It's actually reduced coverage compared to RWS.


Go read the manual for Christ sake!


If the manual states this, then it is either a mistake or willfully wrong. There is no way that TWS can have a larger coverage than RWS. It could hypothetically have equal coverage, but in practice that just doesn't work.

Originally Posted by ricnunes

What the f**k are you talking about?!
When you're being tracked by modes like STT and even SAM, the RWR will light up like a freaking Christmas Tree and this well before the actual missile release which will INEVITABLY prompt the enemy pilot to perform evasive action which can defeat the attack. As opposed TWS won't trigger the enemy RWR which means that a successful attack with a missile like the AMRAAM is likely to be much more successful.
Guess that terms like "sneak attack" or "alerting the enemy until the very last moment" are completely alien to you, go figure rolleyes

Also your:
"Real pilots don't worry as much about triggering RWRs, they themselves not being perfect instruments anyway"
rhetoric is indeed for laughs! Yeah RWRs are so useless and unimportant to the point that every and all combat aircraft nowadays have such suites, go figure genius! duh


Nobody said that RWRs are useless. What is being said is that RL pilots don't depend on their classification as much as sim pilots do because RL RWRs aren't as perfect in picking up locks, etc. A RL pilot has enough SA to know he is in range or not, he doesn't wait for the RWR to start going nuts, he just reacts on the actual situation. If you are in range of a bandit that is hot on you, you should expect a missile in the air. TWS isn't a sneak attack. The bandit still sees you are there. If it magically made you not appear on his RWR, things would be different. However, he knows you are there and if you are in range, a competent pilot should expect missiles, whether his RWR indicates STT or not.

Last edited by Sobek; 12/31/19 04:23 PM.