Thank you guys for the reply, one of you say install CH control manager the other ditched CH C/M .

1-Here's how I see it I have 7 shortcuts on my desk top all to flight sims and all work fine with my setup, Windows sees my CH Pedals ok
2- Dissconecting the pedals (removing USB) WOFF will not see my twist on the thrustmaster Joystick so what ever way I can not get any rudder.
3- All other axis work ok in WOFF.
4- When I first installed WOFF all was working ok, closed down PC some time later fired up PC and the shortcut on the desk top could not find WOFF it was missing so I reinstalled Platinum Edition and the EXE in WOFF came back.
5- No mods added a only WOFF UE and Platinum.
6- CFS3 works ok

I will reinstall WOFF and see what happens will let you know.