Originally Posted By: Lieste
Numbers for some indicative rounds:
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Calibre, Mass, HEI filling mass, HEI filling % (of metal weight), MV, KE @ muzzle, Total Energy @ muzzle (est)

14.5mm, .0644kg, 0kg, 0%, 1000m/s, 32.2kJ, 32.2kJ (BS)
20mm, .101kg, .0105kg, 10.4%, 1030m/s, 53.6kJ, 95.6kJ (M50 series HEI)
23mm, .184kg, .019kg, 10.33%, 980m/s, 88.4kJ, 164.4kJ ZSU
25mm, .18kg, .032kg, 17.8%, 1100m/s, 108.9kJ, 236.9kJ M792
30mm, .388kg, .011kg, 2.84%, 960m/s, 178.8kJ, 222.8kJ 30x165 Waisted HEI
30mm, .39kg, .0485kg, 12.44%, 960m/s, 179.7kJ, 373.7kJ 30x165 HEI
30mm, .33kg, .0825kg, 25%, 860m/s, 122kJ, 452kJ 30x184 HE(M) WW2 Cannon
35mm, .55kg, .112kg, 20.36%, 1180m/s, 382.9kJ, 830.9kJ Gepard HEI
40mm, .96kg, .115kg, 11.98%, 1005m/s, 484.8kJ, 944.8kJ Bofors L/70 HEI
57mm, 2.85kg, .154kg, 5.4%, 1000m/s, 1425kJ, 2041kJ S60 HE
57mm, 2.4kg, .45kg, 18.75%, 1020m/s, 1248kJ, 3048kJ Bofors HC HE



As for BZT being superior because it will 'pass right through', that is irrelevant ~ the lateral spread is lower than for a FAP round, and that will itself commonly exit the majority of fragments through and through. Retaining a single 'fragment' is not conducive to superior SSKP, though it may destroy rather than damage a critical component that *is* struck.


BZT is superior, as it not only pass through anything below 2cm RHA, but will ignite it also.

Originally Posted By: Lieste
With good shot placement, any of these rounds can kill an aircraft with a single hit... the difference is the range of vulnerable components (eg 57mm *can* cause a general structural failure, while 14.5mm is relatively more likely to damage a critical component within the structure).

The available 'critical' list increases with warhead size, and also the permissible 'miss distance' within (or in proximity to) the structure. When the round doesn't ricochet (possible with very oblique impacts) and the fuse functions correctly (it may fuse externally on impact (halving (or more) the effect of exlosives), or may pass through the aircraft before fusing (ADEN rounds often had this problem when fired at fighters) leaving little more than a slightly over calibre hole in many cases.

I don't suggest that you model each 'wrinkle' of lethality, but considering all hits 'kills' from a .184kg 10% warhead is optimistic in the extreme.


Disagree.

I work from Shilka Commander's Firing Manual (and with the help of the Hungarian Shilka firing range "Dregelypalank" exCommander), that might disagree with the commonly available material from the net.
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ps: increasing the caliber of an AAA system is usually done to extend its range...
... reducing it, is done to increase its firing rate.

ps2: Im happy to increase the fidelity of the SAM simulator, based on real Military manuals (not some website sources), as was done earlier, with other SAM systems.

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