Originally Posted By: Wolfhound

Was that some sort of SAM ambush, as mud3 didn't really seem to perform any evasive manoeuvres before being hit?


mud3 is the SA-3 SAM, hammer3 is who got killed.

It was not an ambush, as hammer3 received the SA-3 position two and half minutes before kill.

He was probably busy steering his LANTRIN pod around Steerpoint-42 to find the SNR, while he was distracted with the AAA below him, or in reality you cannot really pull 9G's with ALE-50 deployed.
(He actually pulled something over 2G's)

Originally Posted By: Wolfhound

The detailed tactics used by SAM operators both offensively and defensively are very interesting. Usually you'd think with weasels in the air there was very little they could do, being sitting ducks if they ever emitted. I think the time it takes the SEAD systems to triangulate/isolate the emitting source also plays a part, but with LGB and CBU equipped aircraft, one could be forgiven for thinking that it wouldn't take too long before the site was located, once the SEAD platform had narrowed the location to within a few miles (assuming the site isn't within a populated city).


SAM battle is continuously evolving through the history, and it is never about a "magical new jamming type" that makes all SAM's blind, or a "brand new type of SAM system" that could kill all planes.
It is always about using tactics in an effective way.

While the highly mobile S-300PM (SA-20A) units received point defense Pantsir (SA-22) defense against incoming HARM&LGB's, the F-16CJ's are now dually using the HTS and the LANTRIN pod on the same plane. During OAF, where the F-16CJ & F-16CG should work in a very coordinated way to succeed (HARM should be in the air, while the F-16CG is going in for the kill), the new F-16CJ could do it alone.

If you watch the video you could see, that real battle stress under AAA fire, made difficult to send a steerpoint from a CJ to a CG...

00:04:00 "hammer2 you got steerpoint 41, I'm sorry hammer3 you got it"

... it was steerpoint 42, and was sent to hammer3.

Last edited by Hpasp; 08/09/12 05:41 AM.

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