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-> Jamming (ECM) and Chaff aren't and were never "magical" solutions - Planes deploying ECM and Chaffs have been shot down in the past and will be in the future! "Home on Jam" modes and "burn through" are there to limit the effectiveness of ECM and Chaffs! Note that 100% effective countermeasures is a thing that doesn't exist at all! And all radar and systems are capable of "burning through" enemy ECM and this certainly includes the Dvina! The Volhov is more effective in burning through enemy ECM not because of SDC modes but because of it's LORO mode (narrow beam which concentrates more energy on a spot and thus being able to defeat ECM at longer ranges and the Dvina for example). So in the end the "burning through enemy ECM" is only a matter of distance/range which the target is from the radar emmiter - some systems are able to defeat ECM at longer ranges than others but every system is able of "burning through" enemy ECM.


Indeed, they have never been 100% successful, magical solutions, but they have dramatically reduced the efficiency of SAMs even back in Vietnam, let alone more recent conflicts, where so few aircraft, operated by technologically advanced nations (USA, Israel, UK) were lost. I read a discussion at one Russian forum once, where a specialist in electronic warfare said that during exercises at Ashuluk they were often able to completely suppress SAMs, including the relatively modern Buk-M1, so it could not fire at all, and that with not-so-modern helicopter-based Smalta ECM system. He also noted that S-400 was the only system that worked successfully in heavy ECM environments, even older S-300 had serious problems. Remember, that in SAM simulator we only have a simple noise jamming, while a lot of different, far more sophisticated, methods exist. So I would treat them very seriously, if I would be a real SAM operator in modern world, and I didn't even mentioned semi-mythical SUTHER...

P. S.: There's a video of training dogfight in Lipetsk, between Su-27 and either another Su-27 or MiG-29. The radar is virtually useless due to jamming. http://www.avsim.su/f/iz-kabini-ekipazha-97/istrebiteli-2-28335.html?action=viewonline

Last edited by Lonewolf357; 02/11/12 11:24 PM.