Cas141, perhaps you miss understood the entirty of my post. As the saying goes a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, ofcourse WOW should be furtherd. WOW was not marketed as a simulator KOE was, so as flight simmers go most would probably have preferd KOE. I am still amazed that this slipped under the radar. Why, most likely because it was created for console, but who knows. Point was we have a viable product that we did'nt have two weeks ago.