Probably doing something silly, but I can't figure out what. Been following Tanit's video on CCRP and CCIP:
http://youtu.be/Ka74bFkdhCI?t=17m35s

I'm in Instant Action, armed, in CCIP mode with the circle-dot cursor on but I can't get it to lock on a target or ground position and show the fall line. I'm holding pickle to lock to no result. Also tried TMS up. Any other steps I need to take before it will work? Should it work on any spot on the ground or does it need to be a vehicle?

Thanks.

Er, you DON'T lock on a target in CCIP, but you do in CCRP. Annoyingly in Falcon, you get LESS info once you switch to CCIP so it's best to find target and get navigation via CCRP, then switch to CCIP once you have the target (or target area) in sight.

Also, in CCIP, you only get the fall line and pipper, and fly the aircraft so that the pipper is on the target, then pickle. In CCRP, there is a longer fall line (extends past the FPM) and there is no pipper. You fly the aircraft to align the FPM to the fall line then press-and-hold the pickle button as the release cue drops and reaches the FPM.

Hope that helps, if I've understood your question correctly...




Wouldn't really recommend those tutorial videos when learning Falcon.

All non essential stuff is removed from HUD in CCIP so it doesn't obstruct your view of the target. There are also some regulations about altitudes and speed. If you're too slow of low, it won't release.

Otherwise it's very easy to use, just point the pipper on whatever you want to hit and pickle. No need to lock targets or anything like that.

Thanks guys. Seems to work as expected thus evening. Probably was a button-binding issue, the pickle binding may have 'fallen off.' The control bindings are a bit of a headache in this otherwise impressive sim.


Can you point me to something better? video or written would be fine. I have browsed the the manuals and the Dash 1 pdf, but Tanit's videos are the only comprehensible step-by-step instructions I've found so far that are specifically for BMS.

Not sure what you meant about "falling off", but yes, control mapping is kinda primitive in Falcon. Best to find a well-used profile and work with that. What HOTAS/joystick are you using?


Unfortunately, this is where Falcon falls seriously short. DCS A10C, for instance, has light-years-better tutorials both from the devs (Wags) and from fans. In Falcon, it's just Kraus and he isn't even trying. The manuals don't do the job any better either, though the Dash-1 by Red Dog is close.

Your best option would be either posting in the forums or flying with someone who can tutor you. Sadly, the SimHQ F4 sub-forum seems a bit quiet but you can always go to the official BMS forums, but then you have to sift through 19 replies to get to that 1 useful reply.

As you say, this sim is impressive but updating the "tools" for learning it have been given a lower priority.

CCIP is easy. You look out the window. You put the thing on the thing. You press the red button.

What confuses several people is the delayed CCIP mode, mostly because it isn't CCIP. When the little hash is on the CCIP PBIL what you really have is CCRP where the designated target point is under a pipper dot that looks shockingly like CCIP. If the hash on the PBIL goes away because the immediate impact location can be shown on the HUD, then it reverts seamlessly back to true CCIP.

I don't like Tanit's video. When introducing CCIP it is best for learning to explain and demonstrate the true immediate CCIP functioning first then explain the "pipper-designated CCRP" as an exception and extra feature. Try doing CCIP bombing making sure that the hash is not present at release. Then try DTOS CCRP bombing. Then you can see how the CCIP-with-hash is working much more like DTOS CCRP. He also consistently uses the wrong terminology.

Thank you.

Yes, that was exactly my confusion. As misleading as Tanit's videos may be, I'm finding that following them and then finding and reading the relevant sections in the various manuals is actually helpful. Specifically the BMS 2.0 manual, the latest BMS manual and the Dash 1. I don't have correct procedures but I suspect some of that is outlined in the checklists and the actual f-16 operational papers.

I have a G940 and have found Crow's profile on the BMS forums. I haven't delved into it but I think he remaps some keyboard commands from the default to work with his Logitech Profiler setup. This might be how I disconnected my pickle.

Thanks for your help.