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#3622671 - 08/08/12 04:19 PM
Re: Onboard GoPro footage - Small airplane crash
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meh
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Well... liveleak at least.
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#3622675 - 08/08/12 04:22 PM
Re: Onboard GoPro footage - Small airplane crash
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Skate Zilla HD Studios
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hmmm, were missing the Tracking Data..... dont we usually get links to those too?
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#3622686 - 08/08/12 04:34 PM
Re: Onboard GoPro footage - Small airplane crash
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The passenger just confirms that a nose high pitch attitude did not allow the aircraft to ascend adequately to avoid terrain and then 'sank' heavily immediately prior to ground impact.
This is typical of hot & high "attitude = performance" pilot error followed by a mushing stall. Even if there was no other pilot error, and the aircraft was not developing the normal full power/and or was overloaded, the pilot made a serious mistake when not aborting the flight when he failed to climb away on the first 'take-off'.
Flying in higher elevations can be risky ~ not only does the terrain have typically higher elevation changes and average slope steepness, but the aircraft climb performance becomes restricted. For pilots used to exclusively low elevation flying this combination of reduced performance and higher performance requirement (or avoidance distances required) can be lethal. There are a fair number of crashes caused by this - including the fatal crash video that was posted some months(years?) ago. Basic understanding of AOA and back-of-drag or back-of-power seems to be worryingly poor - contributory to the Air France fatal crash last year, plus numerous stall at low altitude crashes, usually (but not exclusively) during take-off or landing evolutions...
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#3622697 - 08/08/12 04:48 PM
Re: Onboard GoPro footage - Small airplane crash
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Skate Zilla HD Studios
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Siri on his Ipad 3 said it was safe....
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#3622709 - 08/08/12 05:03 PM
Re: Onboard GoPro footage - Small airplane crash
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from the video it looks like the elevation rose up to him as well. Maybe he couldnt climb higher for fear of stall and got trapped. It reminds me of this video recently released. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=316_1249535759 They are very very lucky as this pilot and passenger were not as lucky.
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#3622716 - 08/08/12 05:18 PM
Re: Onboard GoPro footage - Small airplane crash
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This flight was doomed before the engine was started.
Plus, after you can't unstick a Stinson after nearly a mile of runway, you would think it was time to re-evaluate.
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#3623724 - 08/10/12 07:00 AM
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They pilot was the only one hurt & his jaw is no longer wired shut....has some teeth missing, but is up walking & enjoying life. They were 2 EMTs at the airstrip who saw them go down & 3 forest workers at a lookout above them with all their rescue gear. They had their chain saws, got to him within 30 min, cut some trees down so life-flight could get to him, & he was at St. Lukes level 1 trauma suite within a couple hours. 2 plates in his jaw, one in his cheek, & missing teeth. They sure look shook-up. He told me the air just disappeared out from under them...no lift suddenly. He almost aborted because of the lengthy take-off...not uncommon at 6,000 ft, when a gust of wind lifted them up. Posted on the Aces High board by a person who knows the pilot. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,337600.15.html
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#3624210 - 08/10/12 08:57 PM
Re: Onboard GoPro footage - Small airplane crash
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This video will make a great training aid for some good CFIs.
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