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#3565667 - 05/01/12 03:12 PM Re: Pistol training question: Are airsoft/BB guns useful? [Re: VF9_Longbow]
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They are great for honing movement and tactics. Not for marksmanship training. Great for force on force. Similar to simmunition training, but without the paint slash to indicate missed shots and location of hits.


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#3565698 - 05/01/12 04:21 PM Re: Pistol training question: Are airsoft/BB guns useful? [Re: VF9_Longbow]
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If you move up from an air soft gun, to a an real air gun you have something well suited to train marksmanship skills.

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#3579477 - 05/25/12 07:53 AM Re: Pistol training question: Are airsoft/BB guns useful? [Re: VF9_Longbow]
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Unfortunately airguns are illegal in Japan.

Since starting this thread I have bought a few other airsoft pistols to play around with. I bought a Glock 18C which is basically just a Glock 17 but with a full auto switch.

It's about as accurate as a real pistol for short ranges so I'm gonna go ahead and say it's a good training aid. It also uses a gas blowback system so it has kick like a real pistol, not as strong but it's definitely impossible to hold the gun on target after a shot, you have to re-aim.

Also bought a 1911 and a Colt .380 auto.

Great fun, each gun has its own characteristics. The 1911 fires exactly the same as my real one did, just has softer recoil.

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#3579806 - 05/25/12 04:03 PM Re: Pistol training question: Are airsoft/BB guns useful? [Re: VF9_Longbow]
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For the purposes of some of the things you're asking- in a sense, yes, it could be useful to even have a toy gun- if you're talking about drawing it, holding it, carrying it. Actually firing feels very different- without the ejected casings, recoil power, breathing control, smoke, loud noise, it's not all that similar, like comparing Tee-ball to a baseball actually pitched at you. I have a fairly good quality Gamo air rifle, and while it superficially feels like a rifle, there's certain characteristics that it doesn't replicate, and it even adds its own- like ricocheting projectiles that come right back into my face if they hit something too round or even too soft. It can break a hard bottle at 20 meters, put a pellet about 1/2 the way into a thick phone book, but I've had pellets rebound off of rubber balls, plastic flower pots and come straight back at me- sounds like large bee whizzing past.
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#3602007 - 07/04/12 11:35 PM Re: Pistol training question: Are airsoft/BB guns useful? [Re: VF9_Longbow]
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Now that's news, I dint know Japan had a problem with BB Guns?! Ridiculous!
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#3602021 - 07/05/12 12:05 AM Re: Pistol training question: Are airsoft/BB guns useful? [Re: Kontakt5]
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Originally Posted By: Kontakt5
For the purposes of some of the things you're asking- in a sense, yes, it could be useful to even have a toy gun- if you're talking about drawing it, holding it, carrying it. Actually firing feels very different- without the ejected casings, recoil power, breathing control, smoke, loud noise, it's not all that similar, like comparing Tee-ball to a baseball actually pitched at you. I have a fairly good quality Gamo air rifle, and while it superficially feels like a rifle, there's certain characteristics that it doesn't replicate, and it even adds its own- like ricocheting projectiles that come right back into my face if they hit something too round or even too soft. It can break a hard bottle at 20 meters, put a pellet about 1/2 the way into a thick phone book, but I've had pellets rebound off of rubber balls, plastic flower pots and come straight back at me- sounds like large bee whizzing past.


I have a 92fs (9mm) and a 92fs green gas blowback airsoft gun (also a 1911 and glock) and they both have the same amount of recoil and loudness. Granted there is no brass to eject but in daylight there is the same about of bang/smoke (since you cant really see the flash in daylight anyways.)

If I was blind folded I wouldnt know which one I was shooting until I got to the 16th trigger pull. (well probably sooner then that since the bullet weight in the magazine would be different than the airsoft mag.)

I would imagine a airsoft .357 or.45 would be very notice in the recoil difference though.


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