EAW 'The Western Front'

message for all......

Hi,

Stunning !



OFF

Speechless mate...How close till we get to try it out...

Hi Flyning Tiger!



Good, but I prefer some changes!

Work on Twoseater models 90 - 100% finish (released maybe already this Sunday):
Nieuport 12 (GB)
Nieuport 12 bis (Fr.)
Salmson Sal.2 A2 (US)
Sopwith 1 1/2 Struttler (GB)
Albatros C-III (Ger.)
Aviatik C-I (Ger.)
Rumpler C-VIII (Ger.)

(Possibly manufacture also RE.8, Sopwith Pup and Triplane - That according to actual moods and spare time )


Some way Twoseater projects am wholly stopped:
Caudron G.3
Breguet Br.14
Roland CII




Then I prefer change behind new model:

Tempest slot - Bristol F2B
P38J slot - Breguet Br.14 - Salmson
B26 slot - Caudron G.3 - Nieuport 12
Ju88A slot - Roland CII - Rumpler
410 slot - Junkers JI - Aviatik

Too me a little not seem to Albatros D.IV in campaign - was it only one Prototype








Jan

Bloody, bloody marvellous!

Seriously looking forward to this!

Moggy DCM

What an achievement - the pics make me forget "Red Baron" and of course, there´s still the "EAW" feeling



I´m really looking forward to this

Would be possibly that change?


German
109E slot - Albatros D-IV -----> Albatros D-II (done JTm)
109G slot- Fokker Dr-I (wip CoG?)
109K slot - Pfalz D-III (done JTm)
110C slot - Albatros C-III ------> Albatros D-III (done JTm)
110G slot - Halberstadt CL-II (done JTm)
410 slot - Junkers J-I -------> Junkers CL-I (wip FlyR?)
190A slot- Albatros D-Va (done JTm)
190D slot - Albatros Dr-I (done JTm)------> or better Pfalz Dr-I (wip JTm)
262 slot - Fokker D-VII (wip FlyR?)
Ju88A slot - Roland C-II ------> Albatros C-III (wip JTm)
Ju88C slot - Albatros C-III -----> Rumpler C-VII (wip JTm)
ju87 slot - Pfalz DIII done -----> Aviatik C-I (wip JTm)
He111 slot - Gotha G-IV (wip JTm?)
V1 slot - Zeppelin (wip CoG?)


Jan

Excellent work gentlemen. Absolutely first rate.

nice update, this is the new wwi thread that was overdo so i'll be posting progress here but to clarify Ade's fighter slotting, theres no Sopwith Camel or RE8 which aren't on Tumas to-do list not to mention some med/hvy bombers in general that will ever be made...on 2nd thought, maybe squeeze the Camel out of the Pup out of the Strutter 3dz?

when the smoke settles a slot list should be agreed upon based on actual on-hand 3dz...theres this Junkers? i see mentioned but thats at the very bottom of my "maybe" re-do list...

...by 1918 only a handful made it to the front lines, mostly used with german volunteers fighting in the postwar european civil wars.

Hi Jan.

You can still count me in, for those models.

I'm slowly trying to clear my lists of WIP.

Lookin good gents, EAW-WWI is exciting!

Hi

Really impressive work guys

Cheers

....zepplin hunting anybody???

ord.3dz (a.k.a. 60lb rocket) as somewhat simulated Le Prieur rockets, hardpoints aren't exactly Rs compliant yet but arrangement is doeable, launch offsets are scattered all over so no point in fixing until we have wwi flt.dats or more importantly what's the status on balloons in general, are they visable now to fly near them and have damage modeling???

the obsolete Ne 16 was equiped with them but what others were...? for any pending 3dz upgrading.

Ya esta disponible?

well we got rockets anyway, only fixed some rs and they look angled now doubling also as a disappearing mount after launching all...


Ade, i can send you the mod as it stands, not going to spend any more time on it at this point...comes with a loadout/weapons dat with spaced delay launch/shorter fuse since they were only usable inside of 125yds.

also the Nieuport 11/16/17 SPAD7/13 & Sopwith Baby/Pup/Camel and some fighter bombers used them as well as Germany for balloon busting.

Great work Al...yep send the mod along and we'll fit it in
somewhere m8...

thanks

ade

Unbelievable work guys....
I'm absolutely awestruck by what I've seen on this thread.

Nothing less than another Monumental Milestone in this flight simulator

Cheers mates
David

have incorporated that now to the SPAD in progress, so at least the hdpts will be there for later on...

...updated with just 6xrockets for this one based on further research.

email you the Nieuport version soon which is only good for alpha testing in the sp2a-slot for now - cheers!

getting enclose with the blimps disappearing Rs is now Ok!!! using the "ini" fix...


as well as this pending airship...

...almost felt like landing on this if it wasn't for it being in the v1v1 slot, blew up all my wingies getting that close!!!

so now we'll have Zeppelins!!! observation/barrage balloons will be getting a face lift too.

Hi FlyRight.

Just remember to light the blue touch paper, and stand well back!

Those things go up with a bang!

Ade those default blimp 3dzs need to be completely remapped in order to redo camos as this airship pcx shows being utililized. but if you can find/make a camo like barrage email first before waisting time trying to squeeze detail in the ole pcx...or lay it out like this sample pcx, doesn't need to be non-mirrowed in order to maximize detailing.

If that gets your blood going,this will as well.There is a building number of WW1 aircraft being built around the world...Look in here..
Albatrosses

Ade,

no....

at the moment hit bubbles are measured from the model 0,0,0 position on the ground, so we cant place a hit bubble in space, but perhaps the coders could look into that...


cheers,


Pobs

Righto thanks Pobs, any progress with the
trench terrain tiles and target airfields
etc m8...

ade

Hi Ade,

yup the trench tiles are pretty well finished and the placing of the target sites is going well, but I am having to update the default map as I go along because the geography of the Somme and other western front areas is not accurately modelled. I have pretty well placed all the sites north of Arras and several of the southern areas too. I am also putting in targets at the main towns in the area, like Leon, Arras, Vimy, Lille, St Quentin, Mons as well as the airfields you indicated on your map, I will drop it over as soon as I have completed positioning the sites to see if you are happy with the choices of targets. Once you are happy them I will start populating them with individual targets items.


cheers,


Pobs

more power to you m8...
ade

Que belleza!!!

explosions are limited while doing my testing in a clean v1.2 copy, i get a closer perspective with the box version for seeing glitches better...withstanding the obvious pointed nose, itm the addition is better than nothing besides the rockets had nothing worthy to knock down

posting pics temporarily, loading Photobucket is getting really buggy recently, might be because it shows hosting over 7 billion pics...???

m8.....Words fail me!

ade

One happy man here!

Thanks Flyright!



Moggy DCM

If anyone is making 1WW ordnance here's a photo of French bombs:



Moggy DCM

Absolutely gorgeous

...are the behemoth´s camos authentic? They´re looking great

And - I´d prefer a blunt nose for the zeppelins, too

Fran the camos were slapped on, i didn't want to spend any more distractd time there, given the superior 24bit option...and waiting on the next exe!!! itm does anybody have camo schemes used by the german military, drawings, artwork, plates, etc???

Western Front is really taking shape, congrats to you all.


MadProf

WW1, page great pictures!
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http://www.earlyaviator.com/archive4.htm
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/inflatable.htm

WW1 moddel scale:
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http://www.worldwar1aeroplanesinc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=192
http://airalex.homestead.com/WWI.html



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That slot use to create the zeppeling?
Can one make but detailed the command baskets?

Astounding damage model Never seen the like.
Does it catch fire any more than shown in the photo?

...like i said its tested with v1.2 so it'll depend on whatever enhancements the newer exe offers, maybe the coders can increase the v1v1-slot for even more fire??? or something! plus mods like maxs extra smoke/flames might make a difference too but theres only a quick flameout anyway which is almost impossible to catch a pic of because i can't shoot these things down. It easier to wait for a wingie to do it, the Ai are pretty proficient nailing the v1 which this is slotted in and btw subject to that damage modeling at the moment but the busted frame is actually replacing the L/R.3dz damaged wings, pretty funny to watch them twist about but also disappear quickly...good point though!!!

Zeppelin camo:

http://www.luftschiffharry.de/faq15.htm
http://www.luftschiffharry.de/Erkennungsblaetter/LZ_77_Dueren_01_3.JPG
http://www.mars.slupsk.pl/fort/sterowce/zep0n.htm

Thanks Fran that last site helped alot...


updated the base camo with more panels for a camo do-over and now its also a ground target as a tmod...

getting close to wrapping this up for you...as tmods, 2 are shown makeshift tethering at different heights and with a shadow, which i stumpled on how to remake a new file type...


...if not already commmon knowledge? simply flatten all the 3dz elements to zero so you get a natural mirrow image of the object, even show seams, voila!!!

Looking fine Al..but are you able to round off that
nose m8?

ade

have no idea how to do that, thats up to whosever in charge around here of the "rounding-off-the-pointy-things" department...also the slotted 3dz should really be broken up! at least in 4 parts so its not really a finish mod until then anyway and the gondolas are lame too but this is as far as i'm taking it, besides after you see this during an intercept mission you'll forget about those things!

Here you are Ade.

You will just need to use the centre mover to get it to match your cockpit.

http://rapidshare.com/files/204911474/PP51DU.3DZ.html

I'll have to check my distance view models, because they are not finished, nor are the damaged wings, or cockpit view wings.

BTW. Nice skin.

Any plans to do Squadrons?

Middle distance model, ready for skinning.

http://rapidshare.com/files/204941996/Se5a_distance_view.zip.html

Installed the distance model, but still getting
a couple of the old mustang shape in the squads.

How do I get rid of them?

Simply beautiful work guys. I never thought I'd see zeppelins in EAW - just amazing! And that damage model really is first class. at



There are four distance models in EAW,
Near PxxxxF.3dz
Middle Distance Model PxxxxM.3dz (less detail)
Long Distance Model PxxxxS.3dz (very basic shape)
Very long distance model PxxxxT.3dz (just a couple coloured lines)

To fix it, just make a copy of the PxxxxM.3dz and re-name it PxxxxS.3dz
At the distance the T.3dz kicks in you probably will not notice a difference, but if you do make another copy and re-name it PxxxxT.3dz. Remember that using more detailed distance models will use up more CPU resources though.

Chompy.

And for some reason, sometimes action codes on the S.3dz will cause CTD's. So if you use an M.3dz make sure to remove the action codes on the new S.3dz

I just had this problem on the Ki-43 / A6m2 in the New Guinea upgrade that the MODSquad is working on.

Chompy, the zeppelin was always here, just disquised as a V1!!! this is my last zep screenies with redone starter camos and be sending the mod (as-is version) to Flying Tiger....


...if afterwards if anybody whats to fix its glitches feel free!

Hi Ade.

You need the final S.3dz model to finish off the problem your seeing. I should have one done in the next day or so.

Thanks Gibbo, Chompy & Ray for the info and a big
thanks Flyright for the Zep, will put it through
it's paces as soon as m8....

btw Gibbo, fixed the inside prop view thanks and have
successfully slotted the model into the Spit 14, Spit
9 and P51D slots. RAF version on the drawing board.

ade

Hi Ade.

Here is the distant fix for the SE5a,

Sorry it's taken me longer than planed, but I'm having to do a lot of things in connection with my wife's case at the moment.

http://rapidshare.com/files/206979355/PP51DS.3dz.html

and what about the Zep, was thinking of sending to anybody else to test...???

Spad/Fokker status, just have to do wing-views/distance-views, a starter camo and maybe try to put a 2nd gun on the Spad as a XIII...and i think their done or rather done with! Rs glitches aside or somebody else can remake them later preferrably from scatch. cheers!

didn't get an email and i can't find what i sent you so i'll send you exactly what's in my directory, remember its a standalone so i can't tell if your having a skinmanager mixup...

and add Spad XIII now to inventory, speaking of which i got a more practical euro setup, i'll send that to you also, see what you think???

Ade recieved latest email this time! so look for an updated package sending sometime today...

ok, just found out what happened to previous email, somehow it got sent to the yahoo spam folder

Looks great,can the gondalas be made into something a bit more solid?Awsome work though!!

Spitty m8...

Yep, all the initial shortfalls with these models will
have fixes eventually, as has happened before with EAW..

Patience m8 it will all come to pass!

ade

The snag with the V1 slot is that it does not support the use of the prop tra rotation effect. If it was a bomber, which it really is, then a better model would be possible.

this was just a curiousity or oddity that i was thinking about for a while, hacked from the blimp (a.k.a. V1 3dz), somebody else will have to take it to the next level, hint!hint!...thats good news Ade (i see something just now in the transparency, to tweak but later on) and it seems to have not blown up your computer afterall (whooops! did i lieve that out of the readme?) so i think its safe for beta testing...

Great work!
This is an impressive beast to have on hand. As a WIP, it's terrific.

Hi FlyRight.

Why do you delete your nice pictures so fast? I use Photobucket all the time and there is no limit to how long you leave them posted, or the number of pics. Just a shame to take them off so quickly.

On another topic.

Can you send me your Zep PCX? I've found my monster model, and I'd like to see how it looks with a skin on it.

no problem mail on the way...


...don't worry! plenty more screenies to take where they came from!

Oki, guys -

I´ve greased my leather helmet, polished my goggles, waterproofed my overall and dumped "Red Baron" - so when can we start

Wonderful work

ya Fran take the helmet off it'll be a while! only a few people are working on this...

a tip for using those rockets though! at the moment it has to hit the invisable V1 to destroy the airship and if the Ai can do it...i couldn't but its almost dead center with practice. i thought that was the best setting allowable for weakening the trajectory which was basically dynamite strapped to a stick with a short fuse, the next setting up looked too much like a Hvar or down was worst.

even though i guess-amated Zep hitbubble damage its not usable in the default V1 slot or any other slot because i don't know how to edit 1.28 formations so craft that big can benefit from an extended formation spacing since its has to be simular to the default V1 or the game crashes...

other things that can't be fixed yet are those wwii launch offsets as well as engine damage smoke to mention a few more glitches which can only get moved once flt.dats are established...its just one big WIP project, so itm i added another Spad variant in progress, i'll post momentarily...

a little known SPAD XVI twin seater fighter...

but over a 1000 were built and served in 32 escadrilles as well as the AEF until the Salmson came into service.

Ever want to hear what a Hispano Suiza in a Se5a sounds like?
http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/se-5a-reproduction/flying-se5a-0
Or some nice piccies?
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=28917

Progress on the L10 Zeppelin!



There is a major problem with the RS calc, which for a reason best described by Sydbod, does not like fully rounded shapes like the front of the Zeppelin. Sydbod helped me out in getting the front section working, by confirming I was not going mad, and telling me this shape should be very easy to create a manual RS, which after last nights sleep, and a EUREKA moment, worked first time.

Syd and me now need to turn our combined thoughts to the rear section, which is a curved cone with 4 fins. If that part of the model can be cracked the rest will be relatively easy.

Again many thanks to Sydbod for saving my sanity.

Beautiful work on the Zepp, so far.
My sympathies on the frustrations-- glad you got it cracked.

Oh, BTW, that Flying Tiger screenshot is outstanding. A work of art. Should be one of Skylark's calendars. Or at least posted on SimHQ's screenshots page in large format so everyone can see what we are up to.

No one will believe it's not "Photoshopped" to look like that.
But I know Ade Kelley. He once described his technique, and I'm sure it's the real thing, down to the fraction of a second when this actually happened.
Congrats, Ade!

Nice work on the Zepp! Look forward to brassing that up

Note to self, have one's little man pack extra drums for the Lewis..

Each time we saw such a great picture with so many different airplanes we know who is the incredible artist behind

Thank you Doc..your comments always appreciated....

ade

Yes, great screenshots, Ade - unfortunately not visible any more

...just post them in the Screenshots gallery and let the other guys guess what game it is - they´ll be talkin about being faked, I´m sure.

We know it isn´t - just Tiger quality

Hi Fran.

I said this before, but it's a real shame these super screenshots get deleted so quickly.

Sorry Folks

Had to delete a few posts with slot lists in them as
I'm revamping the layout to include the new FLT files
for attack plane/bomber slots, as mentioned earlier
have created single engine/rear cabin gun and slower
air speeds for b26, b17, b24, mossie, ju88a, ju88c,
410,and He111. Will post up a new slot list as soon as.
Pics reposted below.....

Salmson in the b17 slot, single engine smoke/flames
when hit and efficient rear gunner,airspeed 137mph.




'Camels' 45sqdn RFC versus Albatros CIII's with Dva escort.




'Camels 'RNAS 10 sqdn sorting Halberstadt CLII's.



Devoting a new hangar screen to RNAS 10 squadron, based on mark miller's
great original setting.



And one for the Morane 'N'



Yes Fran, some may think the above game captures are dollied up in
Photoshop, but not so....it's a patience stretching exercise of
taking 30-40 captures from a reverse external camera position
whilst flying through an oncoming melee with guns blazing, until
you get that elusive ..magic shot.

Let me add my gripe to Col.Gibbon's and Fran Zee's.

Those pics are too good to be lost.
Would you please post some in BIG format for us to use as wallpaper?

(Fran is right, BTW. Put some in the SimHQ screenshot forum. A little shock for Rise of Flight and Over Flanders Fields fans)

Now settle down there Woody, we're still needing a Dr1,
a Camel, a Pup, 2 Spads and a couple of bombers, plus a few
others...Spad 2 seater, Sopwith triplane, Bristol F2B....

The shots above are intended to give an idea of the in game
action that can be expected , but the 'Camels' are Nieuports
skinned to look like Camels...until we have the full set of
30 slots featuring all authentic WW1 aircraft, I'm not inclined
to post up screens anywhere else m8.

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Here's a current slot list and all are working fine, but as
you can see in red some important models still need to be done.

British
Spit 1 slot - Camel F1
Spit 9 slot - Pup
Spit 14 slot - Se5a
Hurri slot - Nieuport 17
Typhoon slot - Sopwith triplane
Tempest slot - Bristol F2B
Mossie slot - Nieuport 12/2 seater

Allied
P51B slot - Nieuport 11/17
P51D slot - Nieuport 28/ SE5a
P38H slot - Nieuport 24
P38J slot - Morane 'N' ? / Spad 2 seater
P47C slot - Spad VII
P47D slot - Spad XIII
B24 slot - RE-8
B26 slot - Nieuport 12 bis
B17 slot - Salmson SA 2 / Handley Page

German
109E slot - Albatros DII
109G slot- Fokker DrI triplane
109K slot - Pfalz D III
110C slot - Albatros C III
110G slot - Halberstadt CLII brown
410 slot - Oeffag red
190A slot- Albatros DVa
190D slot - Albatros DrI triplane
262 slot - Fokker DVII/Oeffag green
Ju88A slot - Albatros CIII
Ju88C slot - Halberstadt CLII blue
ju87 slot - Aviatik CI grey
He111 slot - Aviatik CI brown - Gotha
V1 slot - Zeppelins

At present the sim is a single missions only version, I am not
skilled sufficiently to modify the Pilot Career section although
I have made some small changes to it..

Still need trench terrain, and target/bases done, these are complex
jobs presently in the capable hands of Pobs..

If the EAW community is keen to have WW1 version, I'm sure those
able to, will pitch in and help where they can...


ade

New EAW Western Front logo to depict the 3 major
combatants, each of these icons appear individually
on pertinant screens throughout the game....

Hi Abe,

Sooooo, when do we get to fly this 'Bad Boy'

Oh!.....about that "New EAW Western Front logo to depict the 3 major
combatants"....like your useage of the 103 Aero Squadron symbol for the American contribution

Historically, I think you may have forgotten the French connection...


Cheers mate

I think its time to search my EAW and reinstall it

Have'nt forgotten the 'froggies' Larko, chose to
use the Sioux head symbol to represent the French
and Allies, as it was being used in early 1916 for
some French escadrilles including Lafayette and
subsequently the 103rd Pursuit Sqdn. in 1918.

As for us poor buggers, we have to be happy with
the RFC roundels and a kangaroo or maple leaf here
and there m8....

As mentioned above still a fair way to go .......

ade

Anyway anyone can help out??This looks like an awsome mod and I think with the expertise here we should get something rolling.

We're with 'ya, Ade.

Keep plugging away. You are building up a thirst here.

also with some mideast developements at The Gen theres plenty to do still especially in the 3dz department, too bad more haven't gotten involved! might shave down these high expectations otherwise its going to be a long, long time before something can be released...itm that part about plugging away is all that can really be expected for now.

some other plugging, i'm in the area of skinning stock camos for that Fokker and Spad series, will post later on...

More power to you Al and a big thanks
all the work m8.....

ade

Gibbo,

Have given this old girl a slight facelift,
wondering if it would be worth putting some
wheels on her instead of floats, to give a
Handley-Page look?

Send it over, and I'll see what can be done.

I literally stumbled across this site while looking for something totally unrelated to planes:
Thought you WWI guys might be interested. (if you haven't already seen it ):

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/

On it's way Gibbo...send to where m8?....

Ray...

Nicely done and info'ed site, some great B&W's
thanks for the share m8....

ade

The Heinkel 59 in an unusual dress - interesting

Which HP did you want to make?

Hi Fran.

I guess a Handley Page O/100 or and 0/400.

Hi Ade.

wingspl at yahoo dot com.

Aaaahhh - I see, Col - thx a lot.

Will be a difficult job, especially the triple tailfins?

Hi Ade.

I've downloaded a copy of the model from The Firm's page. I tried to open it in the studio, and had hundreds of errors. I'm surprised the model works in the game, as you can see just how many parts have problems.



No worries though, most of this stuff can easily be fixed. Just, correcting the shape, fixing the RS, and adding landing gear, with 4 wheels, might stretch me.

Watch this space.

Found a drawing of a HP 0/400



Looks like this model is going to need major surgery to get even close to the right shape.

that heinkel is also a horrible 3dz mess!!! and whatever happen to your Fokker Dr and was that Se5 considered finished???

i finally got going some 256 color starter camos...










next time! French/Italian/American Spads with some more Fokker varitions in the works.

Absolutely brilliant work Al and your presentation
pics are as usual, spectacular m8...this is a real
shot in the arm for the scenario and will certainly
fire up some enthusiasm I'm sure. Moggy's probably
still clutching his chest after seeing those desert
shots...

Thanks for your support and the creative effort
you're putting in to help make things happen.


ade

Hi FlyRight.

As Far as I'm concerned the SE5a is finished, if Ade is happy with it, as it is.I completed all the distance models, and Ade has made a cockpit. If we are happy with it, the only thing to do is remove the dummy, and bulkhead elements, which will show up, if you loose a wing!

i take it then theres not going to be a Dr1...and what i did was pointed those bulkheads to zero out textures so they weren't visable when the plane got damage, so its Ok to remove them like extra piggybacks, didn't know that. be adding now the Se5 to my to-do-camo list!!!

Hi FlyRight.

Yes, it's OK to 255'em out, just don't delete the element completely, or you will mess up the RS.

As for the DR1, it is still an active project, but I figured a big bomber is needed first before another German fighter.

I've got a HP 0/400 fuselage roughed out, and I'm now building the cockpit and gunners position.

Ok then! and active sounds better than inactive...btw i'll be matching the Se5 to Tumas ac proportion at some point, then will use the 255 deletion and will pass the resizing back to you and Ade whenever that happens. itm your Se5 is an excellent example of 3dz work from scratch! and good luck with that bomber or any bombers will be welcomed since i pretty much wrote them off for an eaw ww1.

and thanks Ade except those pics are taken from the most flattering angles, theres still some Rs blinking about but as necessary slot fillers is still better than nothing, maybe their camos will help in the mean time offset the negatives with the positives...cheers!

Half a roughed out fuselage.

Temporarily serving in the RFC as an RE-8 until
we get a Strutter or a Bristol....

Seeing all those WW1 kites, wondering how they fly? Are they so slow, underpowered and hard to fly like the real things?

Stratos...

Yep they're slow and underpowered, but easy to fly..
remember you're in 1918 m8 and speed was only just
beginning! however the bullets are as fast as usual..

Added inside of the cockpit, and reworked the Heinkel 59 engines, with very basic wings, just to see how it looks.

How big will this be Gibbo, compared to a fighter?


Updated slot list:

British
Spit 1 slot - Camel F1
Spit 9 slot - Pup
Spit 14 slot - Se5a
Hurri slot - Nieuport 17
Typhoon slot - Spad VII RFC
Tempest slot - Bristol F2B or Strutter
Mossie slot - Nieuport 12/2 seater

Allied
P51B slot - Nieuport 11/17
P51D slot - Nieuport 28/ SE5a
P38H slot - Nieuport 24
P38J slot - Morane Saulnier 'N'
P47C slot - Spad VII
P47D slot - Spad XIII
B24 slot - RE-8 or Spad 2 seater
B26 slot - Nieuport 12 bis
B17 slot - Salmson SA 2 / Handley Page

German
109E slot - Albatros DII
109G slot- Fokker DrI triplane
109K slot - Pfalz D III
110C slot - Albatros C III
110G slot - Halberstadt CLII brown
410 slot - Oeffag 253
190A slot- Albatros DVa
190D slot - Albatros DrI triplane
262 slot - Fokker DVII
Ju88A slot - Albatros CIII
Ju88C slot - Halberstadt CLII blue
ju87 slot - Aviatik CI grey
He111 slot - Aviatik CI brown - Gotha
V1 slot - Zeppelins

With the advent of a HP, the Salmson can be moved to
either the b24 or b26 slot...

ade

Hi Ade.

The model is in excess of 420 x 600 points! I've not finalized the wingspan yet, as I'm not sure yet which is the best way to build them. So, it's not small.

the closest thing we already have about the same size would be a B17...which has a 103'wing span verses the HP 0/100 100'span, so the points seem a tad bit high to me???

Hi FlyRight.

The Handley Page 0/400 wingspan is 30.48 meters, which is 635 3dz points

The B17 wingspan is 31.62 meters, which is 659 3dz points.

So, it looks about right to me.

Here's some specs in imperial.....

Handley Page 0/400

Span: 100' Actual,

Length: 62' 10 1/4" Actual,

Power: two 360 hp Rolls Royce Eagle VIII water cooled V-12s

Crew: 3 to 5

Maximum Speed: 97.5 mph at sea level with full load

Armament: 3 to 5 Lewis Machine Guns and bomb load usually 16 bombs of 112 lbs each

Endurance: up to 8 hours

RFC Nieuport 16 - Zeppelin Hunter
Presently in the Spit 1 slot, but will be able
to re-slot for Camel, SE5a and Spad at a later
stage.




in action...

Hi Ade,

Nicely done Zeppelin! Who's the author?

How do those rockets work on Jerry bombers too?

Cheers mate

how soon they forget Ade i quess your using unlimited ammo, still see rockets on the struts??? try aiming for the center, thats where the v1v1-slot damage modeling is...

and serves me right to not make 6 am comments, not fully coherent even though i have to be awake to drive a bus an hour later, just checked the default B17 and its eaw wing span is actually 640 pts, so you're about dead on Col...

be working on a couple SpadXVI camos, the 3dz is done!!! might have something over the weekend or at least wip pics.

Yes, and you need glasses Ade, that's 100 times bigger than a barn door, and you still missed with two salvos!

Hi FlyRight.

Glad you agree. I thought I was missing something, but when I double checked, I thought it looked OK. I said it was a big bird, and must have flown like a powered glider, with a stunning climb rate of 23 min to 5,000 ft!

Tonights update.

Now sporting two wings in the correct position, and inner wing sections with engines.

Fair go Gibbo, remember I had to crawl out on the wings
to light the fuses....

HP starting to look awesome...great work m8

Larko, that's Flyright's Zep and I think Gibbo
has another one on the way, except he's just
been side tracked with the Handley Page....

...Ade! guess we'll have to add rockets to a 2-seater so your rear gunner can do that instead but i think the obvious unlimited ammo option is a dead given away no matter what the excuse!!!

just throwing this out to you Col, how much trouble since you're already in the bomber area would be extending the bottom wings with an extra pair of struts and flip the engines backward for instance to now have a Gotha???...when looking at 3views below

Too big of a difference... Better to do it right the first time IMO.

...didn't ask what the difference was which is obvious! only how much trouble, the rest can then be shaped shifted or maybe not! considering the bulkhead method? anyway its just a shortcut idea!

Hi FlyRight.

No, No, No!

One WW1 bomber will have to do for now, although a Gotha is a tempting project. But, I have the lower half skin for my HR Mossie project.

Maybe, if I sent you my current files you could try and do the Gotha?

RS, is not the big demon people think it is, and you only need to build half the model.

...i'll pass on the offer but would rather my limited time spent putting a camo on the HP though when its done.

Finally sorted the date enigma for arming board and
mission brief / debrief chalkboard screens, with Jel's
kind help and expertise, thanks to Jel...they now read
1915,1916,1917 and 1918.....in accordance with the
mission parameters screen dates.

Have edited buzz bombs to read zeppelins, AAA to
Archie, Invasion site to mouth of the Somme river
and Jel edited out radio communications and call signs.

Also have edited the weapons list to include Le Prieur
rockets for Nieuports, Camels and Spads.

Hi Ade.

Is there any way of restricting selecting a target which is outside the combat radius?

Looking at your screen above, your Target is 450km away, where your aircraft can only get there on a one way flight. Clearly, they would not choose to fly suicide missions in WW1, so what's the point.

Maybe a change to the exe could restrict the target selection to ones in combat range of the selected aircraft?

Just an idea.

Ade is using a hacked version of the 1.2 exe.
I have just sent him a version which shows the correct day and month too.
He will also have a 1.28a compatible version.

Jel

Not flying the WW1 stuff but



Jel

Gibbo

I would imagine that when Pobs completes the
target/base/airfield data, the mission distances
will be more realistic...as all targets/bases
are within Belgium and France, except zep flights
and intercepts to and within England from Belgium.

At least I think that's how it will work!!

Bloody swish now with Jel's day/month/year
update...good on ya m8....

Hi Ade.

Well, I hope Pobs remembers bomber targets will be well into Germany with your new toy!

But, no fighter escorts!!

Tonights update.

Keep your pants on there Gibbo...I don't envisage any
targets being well into Germany, remember this scenario
is confined to the Western Front. Hopefully soon Pobs
will have a draft target/base set up, which will be close
to this map icon layout.

Hi Guys,

well, the western front wont use all the targets so there will be UK and German targets away from the front, some of which we may need to disable...

so far we have :



the area around Douai..



the western front general view....

so it is coming along


cheers,


Pobs

Pops curious to see a what an eaw terrain tile looks like now with trench works...

heres a USAS Spad XVI camo in 256 color...




and french version pending...

Brilliant looking Spads Al...superb camo job m8...

Good to hear of your progress Pobs...yell out if
you need a hand with anything...

Updated slot list:

British
Spit 1 slot - Camel F1
Spit 9 slot - Pup
Spit 14 slot - Se5a
Hurri slot - Nieuport 17
Typhoon slot - Spad VII RFC
Tempest slot - RE-8 or Spad XVI RFC
Mossie slot - Nieuport 12/2 seater

Allied
P51B slot - Nieuport 11/17
P51D slot - Nieuport 28/ SE5a
P38H slot - Nieuport 24
P38J slot - Morane Saulnier 'N'
P47C slot - Spad VII
P47D slot - Spad XIII
B24 slot - RE-8 or Spad XVI
B26 slot - Nieuport 12 bis
B17 slot - Salmson SA 2 / Handley Page

German
109E slot - Albatros DII
109G slot- Fokker DrI triplane
109K slot - Pfalz D III
110C slot - Albatros C III
110G slot - Halberstadt CLII brown
410 slot - Oeffag 253
190A slot- Albatros DVa
190D slot - Albatros DrI triplane
262 slot - Fokker DVII
Ju88A slot - Albatros CIII
Ju88C slot - Halberstadt CLII blue
ju87 slot - Aviatik CI grey
He111 slot - Aviatik CI brown - Gotha
V1 slot - Zeppelins

Tonights update on the HP 0/400 project.

Going slightly mad with all the struts and wires, which are hell for the RS calc, but it's still giving results, despite the complex shape.

thats incrediable!!! maybe we should start looking for plates...

First flight of the new 0/400, in the B17 slot.



I only did this to link the models together for the first time, to test the RS, which I'm happy to say works a dream.

Now, all I have to add in all the missing wires and finish the tail, for the main model to be finished.

Then, it's all the other models to do!

Handley-Page/400 --- Ooooh!
Nice work, Gibbs.
Bombers are a rarity, and much appreciated.


Well, errr... beautiful Spad aircraft, FlyRight.
But not much view of the trench works. Were you asking "Pops" (Pobs) to show us one?

...yes Wuddy! as in the trenches Pobs is doing, just a tile would do!!!

Col is it too soon to send me copies of the pcxs??? maybe i can have a base skin over the weekend to slap on just temporarily.

OK FlyRight.

This is the file set as used in the screenshot, which is still very muck work in progress, as I'm still adding string to the wings, and fixing things.

http://depositfiles.com/files/yt76cbsqa

Have fun.

BTW there are no working prop animations. They are the last job, before release.

got it and understood, seems it had a standard green camo that wouldn't need much effort to do a startup, iron out the wrinkles as you go along with it!

A big thanks for this awesome job Gibbo...

Al, I have some trenchwork tiles I did for Pobs,
but not sure which ones he's using....

This is the last one I sent him, with added craters
on the outskirts...there's also a zig zag pattern.

Hi guys,

sorry FlyR, to be honest I thought FT was going to do the honours with the trench view (as he now has ). I have had to do a rebuild of my games machine and don't really have a setup for the trench terrain that is any good for taking screenshots at the moment, sorry about that.

I am using the last set he 'tweaked' but I am trying to get an 'internal' and 'external' corner tile and a 'river crossing' to allow more variability, but getting the two lines of trenches to accurately line up at corners is proving a bit tricky, a single line of trenches in the middle of the tile would have been easier !!...


cheers,



Pobs

no problem seems i didn't know who was doing what...but shouldn't the craters have more variety, they look all the same size to me?

heres a camo started...

Hi Fly,

actually there are quite a range of sizes but your eyes get drawn to the big ones... look again carefully .... there may be too many big ones of course...


cheers,


Pobs

In anticipation, I've dedicated a hangar to
Flyright's rare Spad XVI.....

Still busy on the model. Left wing is finished, and I'm now adding the crew.



Has anyone got any info on the ventral gun position?

What kind of info do you need? I have this aircraft in FS-WWI.

Hi ArgonV.

Well, just what was it? i know it was a single Lewis gun, in a ventral position, but that's all. Was it mounted directly below the rear twin mount, or more toward the tail? I've found only a mention of this position on Wikipedia.



Oh FlyRight.

Have you got any big bombs for this? I found a pic of the Big Bird carrying two very big bombs [1000 lbs?].

Well, it depended on what the ground crew chose to equip it with. Most of the time the HP was equipped with just the two nose Lewis MGs with a single or double rear Lewis MG. The ventral was removed a lot of the time to save weight.

It was rear of the bomb bay area, seen in the opening here: http://www.mossie.me.uk/ww1/photos/aircraft/hp0-400_bomb_bay.jpg

Hi ArgonV.

Thanks. That explains a lot.

That bomb bay. The 16 bombs, in a normal load were carried internally? I saw a pic of the 1650 Lb bomb carried by the HP 0/400. I guess I need to add a hard point, so it can have one.

Yes, the smaller bombs were carried internally pointed straight down. Not sure about the large one pictured above... It could have been as the bombbay was large enough.

Check this web page out: http://www.wwi-models.org/IM/British/hp_0-400.html

It has good internal views of a model you can use.

heres a simular pic i quess...


and one of Capt Kurts CAW bombs are a ringer for that, just have to stretch the center section out, let me find it...

heres a general idea, i can send it to you for further tweaking but at least the default seems proportional...

Looks good FlyRight.

We'll need the British 112lb and 250lb bombs too.

Gibbo

While you're working on the crew, can they be a bit bigger?




ade

Already done Ade.

I just knew you were going to complain they were too small.

Your an ace Gibbo....

BTW, Tiger and other WWI enthusiasts:
Never hurts to check out the rival sims.
First Eagles--The Great Air War 1918 forum has a links thread by PCPilot worth looking at.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2720298.html#Post2720298

It seems to have some good World War I info and pics.

(I posted some of your EAW screenshots at the bottom of the list. )

All good PR Wallace, but as mentioned on page 8
I'm not keen on posting stuff anywhere else until
we have a full set of authentic models in all 30
slots to show...this is not too far away, Camel,
Dr1, Spads, DVII, Handley Page and Gotha to go...

Here's a pic you can safely post up as all the planes
in it are authentic and working fine...




Jan if you're out there, could you create FLT files
for the 110c(Albatros CIII), 110g(Halberstadt CL2)
and Mossie(Salmson) so the rear cabin gun works, this
would be highly appreciated m8..

ade

Hi Ade,

Maybe this has been covered before but when pilots
bailout of burning A/C. Do they have or haven't parachutes.

Just curious!

Cheers mate
David

When they hadn´t parachutes, they didn´t bail out - they tried to bring down the plane as good as possible. When they had paras, the pilots did...

I´m sure it´s just that simple...

---from an aeronautical engineering textbook
http://www.swe.org/iac/LP/para_02.html

Maybe there can be a 1918 option for "dishonorable" pilots.

I had read that the British Command forbade Allied pilots from using parachutes
even when they were available. Balloon observers were permitted to use them
but not pilots or aircrews.
They're reasoned that these parachutes would be used unnecessarily
by pilots who wanted to either escape from superior aircraft or overwhelming odds
before initiating combat. British HQ would look upon the use of parachutes
not as a life saving device but rather as an act of cowardess in the face of the enemy.

I guess what I was asking is.

While this be reflected in the game play of this developing EAW WW1 campaign?

Cheers mates
David

No Larko, bale outs are included in The Western Front
scenario, all good immersion stuff m8...

Hi,

it would be very simple to replace the pilot with an empty 3dz so that even though the bail out would occur, you wouldnt see it ....


cheers,


Pobs

bump

sorry! nothing new for the western front, how about some Spad VIIs patroling the venetian alps maybe...

...question here is some plates/canvas artwork also show roundel colors in opposite red/white/green order which should have only begun to appear at the end of wwii as the allied belligerent version...can anybody confirm if both versions were applied during wwi???

Most interesting, Flyright.
The ICAF roundels after September '43 have been red-white-green with green in the center, undoubtedly. The Italian roundel was abolished in 1923 when Mussolini introduced the Fascist symbols. Official sources speak about the same roundel being used after '43 and before '23.

It is hard to believe the ICAF would have chosen a different coccard seeing itself in the tradition of the Italian pre-fascist Airforce.

The green ring at the outside is looking good, but I doubt it´s correct. There was no need to be distinguished from a French/British ally. Those used roundels as well, whereas the German/Austro-Hungarian opponent used the quadrangular cross.

Maybe it´s again a misinterpretation of photographs made with orthochromatic films.

Flyright

These profiles show both roundels being employed
in 1917 and 1918 by 91a Esquadrilla.So I guess
both might be OK to use...note rudder tricolor
reversed.





When can I D/L some Spads m8?

ade

Nieuport 28 - 27th aero sqdn

spads will be done soon...experimenting with hangers again, simular to the HR patch done for default slots, these are screen shots as seen ingame and that maintenance shed might look familar? imported from another

Nicely done Al...

Have just about finished skin sets by Jasta for
Albatros, Oeffag and Pfalz about 40 skins so far.
Started on French escadrilles and US squads 20
skins, RFC/RAF lagging badly....

G'day Fran..

Have skinned this Albatros Dv (late) for you
personally, as you seem to be getting more and
more interested in WW1, it sports the Bavarian
lion motive and belongs to Jasta 15, I have no
details of it's serial number or the pilot, but
I anticipate with your research skills you may
be able to ascertain this info...

all the best.

ade

bump for fran...

Sappramentmihostghaut (bavarian expression of absolute astonishment)
THx, Tiger for this Bavarian-Blue Addon - appreciate it

I´ll have a look concerning the data about this plane (though it´s not my special area of interest as you say correctly)

Looking forward to fly this beauty

...and shoot down big, fat Tommy bombers, of course

some more ingame hangers...

nieuports 11/17/24/28...

sopwith strutter/snipe/pup/triplane/camel & an airco dh5 all just incase...

G'day Folks

Been away for a while visiting my daughter and brand new
'Quebecois' grand daughter in Quebec for the last few weeks,
I love just about everything Canadian except left hand turns,
road signs in French, roundabouts and Toronto airport,
sorry Larko!!

I see the phantom 'Flyright' has been and gone in my absence
I've no idea what the pics were Al but thanks m8...

Momentum has slowed with the Western Front for obvious
reasons,but I'm sure some kind soul will release something
soon...picked up a copy of Rise of Flight in Canada for $32
and will go through the rigours of trying to activate it just
for the experience.

ade

Hi Ade,

Didn't want to hijack this all important thread.
So, checkout my post Hey Ade....from Larko!

Cheers mate
David

Care to tell us what you need, Ade?
Interest in EAW's WWI sim was intense, but has seriously faded with the long wait.

G'day Woody et al,

I have a fully functional action packed version
of EAWv1.2 Western Front scenario currently
on my HD consisting of 150 single missions with
30 different aircraft, 20 of which are flyable.

The following items are needed to complete it
for beta testing... most are in the hands of
Pobs, Flyright and Gibbo.

a) targets and bases,
b) trench terrain,
c) a Fokker Dr1 and a Camel.
d) Spads and a Fokker DVII
e) Handley Page and Gotha

I'll be more than happy just to get the basic game
completed, then others more capable can hopefully
tweak it to a higher level.




ade

So you had a good time in Canada- so did we, but over on Vancouver Island staying with Jen who was Pam's best schoolfriend from Nuriootpa Primary and High Schools. Jen's husband David is from Manchester like me, but a Manchester United supporter from the late 1940s. We went to a sports bar in Vancouver to watch the Manchester United Barcelona match before boarding the Volendam for the Alaska cruise. I was glad that I'm a Manchester City supporter, David was dismayed by the way United played.
We loved what we saw of Canada, and the friendliness of the people. I was delighted to see floatplanes everywhere, and the flight in the DH Beaver was just one of the many highlights.

Jel

And the Zeppelins and barrage/observation balloons?

I'm trying to bring back the start smoke and flame that would look so good on WWI aircraft---perhaps in the next couple of weeks if I can get 1.28b compiled properly.

Yep, running with 'Righto's' Zep at present,
I think he will improve the damage model when
he gets time, as it does'nt explode very well
when hit.



Have reskinned the barrage balloons and have used
an old ttd.dat to multiply them over the towns and
cities.



Start smoke and flame....sounds all good m8!

Yes Jel, glad you both had such a great adventure
over on the West coast, the world has become a small
place now and I'm continually amazed at human ingenuity.

ade

Oh, Ho!
WE ARE GONNA HAVE SOME FUN!

BTW, the Zep's aren't supposed to explode (usually). But they burn just great.

you mean more like the hollywood version...

...because that interim Zep does have damage modeling just no sustained explosive effects, have to think about that one!

Ade, i have something for you to update with, trains have wwi armoured wagons now and what exe are you using anyway???

Dont think they "explode" persay,just burst into flames then the hydrogen takes over.Then it becomes a huge fireball.Best example is the Airship "Hindenburg" disaster.

OT/but anybody notice the FE forum missing...or did that go pay-to-view elsewhere?

FE has been in a bad way for a long time, and I guess the number of posts just became so few as to make it no longer worth while to have a forum here. I just checked the archives, and they are gone too.

BTW, Ade...
I brought up this subject at Coders while thinking of ways to make EAW more immersive.
You might want to add your comment for "Western Front" use. It's at The Gen under Naafi.

Wow!
Terrain is getting very interesting.
Looks like the Mother of All Bombers is ready.

Looks good Gibbo..can you send it over for
beta test this end?



Good ideas Woody but I think the scripting
and 3dz work alone would put us all in our
graves m8.

Here you go Ade.

It's missing abot 4 tiles, which I've not finished yet, but there is more than enough for a taster.

http://rapidshare.com/files/262790245/24bit_terrain.zip

Note: there are only 256x256 tiles. I've not made the LR 128x128 tile set yet.

Thanks Gibbo, can I test out the handley page too?

I'll finish off the tiles first, and then I'll zip the lot up, and email you later.

It looks like FE posts were moved into the Third Wire forum.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2813325/First_Eagles_forum_posts_have_.html#Post2813325

All good gibbo thanks...

Thanks for the FE info, Java.
Hope you look forward to "Western Front" as much as I do.
Which version and scenario's are you using these days?

Ironically, I don't have EAW, I browse the forum occasionally with thoughts of getting it. I frequently play Jane's WW2 Fighters and more recently BOB2:WOV, and FE (and others) occasionally. Do you know how EAW compares to WW2 Fighters? I might as well get EAW regardless, I've got enough other sims and one more can't hurt.

FE looks like its alive and kicking actually here...
http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showforum=101

something i started awhile ago but was stuck until now...


comes with a corrugated interior/pavement flooring and now testing concrete runway to see how that looks for any specific base editing and be doing one with the doors opened...

i was wondering if Pobs is still doing targets??? can some bases be edited with Zeppelin sheds for any that are near to some known areas such as Dusseldorf, Cologne, Brussels, Norholz, Ahlhorn, Karlsruhe, Metz and any coastal base such as the one near Ostend since the german navy used them too...did you know when the allies captured these while advancing they could store around 300 planes inside!!!

Hi FlyRight.

Nice!

Have you cracked how to build a new 3dz?

Great hangar!

As for FE...oh, sh!t. I don't get out much, but they certainly are doing well!

Hi Fly,

yep I can put these in on one of the airfields if you like. I am still placing the individual target sites at the moment then I will move on to populating them... the delay is that everytime I move a village or town I have to go into the tilemap and place a town at the right spot to correspond to the target site, a slow process of trial and error to line them up... but it is coming along....


cheers,


Pobs

thats fine Pobs, just checking, at some point maybe with a couple sheds, tmod zeps tettered about? on second thought there wouldn't be a runway!...otherwise substituting a bunker works and will only appear on german air bases with 1.28.

its some old 3dz, pretty sure it was one of yours Col! this was my first ingame progress pic as a heads up, more to do still...

FlyRight A eso le llamo un hermoso hangar! se ve muy real!

Zep hangar looks great Al...and if Pobs the 'target master'
can locate a few of them up north it'll be bloody fantastic..



ade

Western Front at 1.28b...

Looking good!

Jel

...NOW you can have different camos in a squad!!! are you up to speed on how to doing that feature???

Fill me in Al...

ade

Iron Mike is the expert here Ade.

Jel

your going to need a hex editor retyping new headers, its easy and i refuse to hear any excuses...i can send you the one i got from Moggy, hardest thing will be keeping track of the multiskin renaming...but if you can count 01, 02, 03, so-on then your half way home!

Actually, you need to be able to count up to 15 starting with 00 and ending with 15. Or, a total of 16 skins, in base 10. That is if your squadron has sixteen planes.

You don't need to paint every texture either. The biggest thing is reassigning the 3dzs. It is time consuming but easy.

Ade, I'll put together a guide if you would like one.

why do you need a hex editor, please explain.

afaik Tony once made a tool to edit the headers and the related file names as well.

Col G thought the editor was not quite right, but I never found out precisely what needed fixing, so it remains a WIP.
I'm happy to continue with it, but I need some feedback.

Jel

Yes Miko...would appreciate a guide thanks m8..

Am proficient enough at hex editing and have a
fast editing proggy, but what are we actually
doing?

ade

Take 1 skin and "duplicate" 15 more, then change the markings so each one is individual. When they are loaded each one is different- like these Doras on the runway from Iron Mike:



I'm asking for feedback re the editor elsewhere. It would save a lot of time if it works the way people want it to.

Jel

Gottcha...

Does this work without numbers and letters
ie: with fuselage art, motifs and ensignia
and also on different aircraft types in the
same outfit....eg: Albatros, Pfalz, Fokkers.
Here are 6 out of 21 examples from jasta 5
and 7 out of 24 from jasta 18......



The French escadrilles are similar in variety
as are the US and RFC/RAF squadrons...

ade

exactly!!! like this, these are all in the same squad, as you pointed out, can even have different 3dz too but have to share the same slotted fm...


this was just a test shot when betatesting 128 using only Tumas default skins without BMPs and took about a couple hours maybe, can't remember! but to compile with no repainting...ignor the default red hubs! that file was the only glitch the coder guys were kind enough to get that into the exe because of the unfamilarity with his biplane file system. if ironmike is filling you in from here? i would only post the Gibbons instructions which were sufficent for me!

Including bitmaps benefit new skins that can now use 3D textures, equating to no pixels, like this wood&fabric test i did, except now those zero out areas have to be blacken with 000 palette ...

Can't see you pics at work. And, I can't put any in until tonight.

So,

1. You need to paint a,b,c,d,e,f,e,l,m,r,t, and, u panels if skin has them. You don't need to paint x,y,z. Paint an primary skin (plane 00) in 24-bit (16 million colors), merge a layers into one like 8-bit, but do not reduce colors. Save as BMP. Then reduce and save 8-bit. You need one painted tex panel each bmp and pcx for the first skin. Note, the transparant areas that mast the tail wheels, radio masts etc(pink on the Spit9, orange on most of the Hurries, etc.) should be changed to black on all the 24-bit textures.

2.Paint tex panels for the next skins 01-15. Rename then like this PSP2A01ax.bmp, PSP2A01cx.bmp... I paint the "u" just in case in future we can assign real pilots to different squadron slots. It most likely isn't need but, you never know what the Code Group will work into future exes. I repeat the transparant areas need to be repainted black.

3. Paint one tex panel any color you want and reproduce one for every color panel in the skin. There is no need to paint a mono skin for each texture just rename copies. Save them in in pcx format. So you have PSP2A01ax.bmp (full color) and PSP2A01ax.pcx (monochrome) etc.

4. Repeat for planes slots 01-15. Then copy and rename the tra.pcx for each plane.
ex. PSP2A01tra.pcx. Note since spinners are usually on the tex.pcx you can paint individual hubs at this point if you include the XXtra.pxc.

5. Paint a mono color PSP2A01mra.pcx for each skin.

6. Using a text based hex editor ( http://www.sandbaggereaw.com/CORD/files/addon/3dz2bmp.exe )* repoint the 3dzs to the new skin. ex. change the line PSP2Aaex.pcx to PSP2A01ax.pcx and save as PSP2A01a.3dz. Just leave the editor open and change panel number ansd save for each following skin. *when Talley-Ho comes back up

7. Cockpits and shadows will be drawn from the first skin so no need to paint them.

Finished 24-bit squadrons will be 6-7 megs each, 8-bit versions 2-3 megs.

Iron MIke, August 2009

Hi Ade.

Glad to see your getting into the Multi Skin way of doing things.

Fantastic...
Thanks for the tut Mike and the pic Al.
One question, why 16 skins (00-15) when
mission parameters and pilot career starts
only provide for 12 aircraft.

ade

Flyright and Gibbo..

Can you send me Spads, DVII and Handley Page
for slotting into 1.28b, hoping Jan will help
out with Dr1 and Camel when he has time...

Putting together a full menued version of WF
1.28b for beta testing and bug detection.

ade

In some cases having 16 planes is possible Ade- depends on the nationality and the year in the WW2 scenario.

Jel

The number of planes/skins depends on time period and nationalty of the squadron. 1940 RAF maxed out at 12 planes. Later in the war 16. Luftwaffe about 16 and the USAAF could be 18 to 24. However, most units were not at maximum strength after entering the theatre of operations.

So, the max right now is 16.

The Japanese Navy could have up to 21 per unit.

So, if your Jasta or squadron has 8, 10, 12 or whatever, paint that number. Just follow the formula I've given you.

Iron Mike!

Please check my post at "The Naafi". You probably have more info than anyone.

Jel

Rge That.

Have tried all years and all nationalities
1.28b still only 12 aircraft available, is
there an .str file that needs to be edited
to get the numbers increased?

I just tested 1.28B release. I got the same for The tempest and 190A in 1944.
The type of mission determines the limit:

Fighter sweep and intercept: maximum 12
Bomb, interdiction, escort: maximum 16

Jel

Yep...checked em all one by one,
a mix of 12 and 16 all the way through,
on different missions..eaw never ceases
to amaze me...

Well come on Ade, lets see some screens then.

Ditto, let's see some screenies from OZ. (Just don't make'em too good, it makes me jealous. )

I knocked this up this evening, in just about an hour. Of any use?



FE Large Canvas Hanger. 24bit skin.

sure i could use it as an alternative for any zep coastal station used by the naval branch inplace of erecting those Hall size hangers...if you want to send it my way i can adapt it maybe for that too?

Yes, OK.

I'm just finishing off the main and distance models.

Some of jasta 5 plus 1...this is a bugger of
a job, long and tedious, it took me 9 hours
just to do half a jasta of 12.......You blokes
must have grey hair and bloodshot eyes by
now....







With the numbers of aircraft in each jasta,
escadrille and squardon, this is a very long
time project.

ade

Iron mike has just tested my 3dz duplicator which I worked on and sent to him yesterday. He does not need me to do any more work on it rgarding tpc files- saying it is up to the skinners do the skins, but the 3dz part which the progam cobers saves hours of text editing with a single mouseclick.
It takes a 3dz set for a plane, and duplicates it making the "01" to "15" files, each with the correct header, in less than a second.

I'll eMail it to you Ade.


Jel

there you go! maybe it did take me longer, eaw memory is blurry at this point!...Sir Jelly like to see your program too? and speaking of blurred memory! am not familiar with that tmod in the left side, what object is that, looks like a fort now, maybe Ade can send both to me? or what setup had that?

It is here- Ade can get it too!

http://www.users.on.net/pam_biddell/MultiskinUtil.exe

Jel

Fly,

I think it is the default 'Large Chateau' model from the original game...


cheers,


Pobs

It's easier when start off with grey hair and bloodshot eyes, the only problem is the reduction in hair volume when you're finished.

got it, tmod65! i was reading from the old 2d list naming it Manor House, somebodys type-0 maybe and got the progy, thanks!

Version two with guide ropes.

Here is the hanger available for testing.

http://rapidshare.com/files/265590966/canvas_hangwer.zip.html

PM for PW.

Now, that is something to behold. A real flying circus and a first rate hanger to keep them flying. Splendid work there gentlemen.

Thanks Jel...got it, Gibbo check ya PM.

Making multiskins must be taken as a long term project. Nobody will expect a set for every aircraft, but it would be nice to have a set for an allied plane and another for an axis one which were common adversaries.
Others could be built after release as time permits.

Jel

This is what the final version looks like.

Gibbo

Wanting to change the colour of the tent
to white, can you send me a readme on
how to do this...

Any good?



Skin in 24 and 8bit.

http://rapidshare.com/files/265850726/Greycanvas_hangwer.zip.html

Jel, the research takes far more time than the painting. Peter and I (emphasis on Peter) have been researching the Typhoon for several weeks and aren't close to a unit quite yet. The Bf109G took weeks and input from Fran, Stratos, Peter and myself. The 190D took about 3 weeks to get a full staffel.


The next nut after the Tyffe may be the P-47C/D models. Green ones first, aluminium later. Hopefully some other skinners will take on a plane or planes and help out.

Hi Ade.

I've skinned up a set of FE airfields.

They are in 8 and 24 bit.

I've included the alternative skins, which I found on the web, in 512x512 format. All you need to do is ct them up into 256x256 bits and name them as per the originals. If you want to vary the skins, all you need to do is edit the airfield TM by hex editing the four tile headers.



http://rapidshare.com/files/265931610/WW1_airfields.zip.html

PW as before

That's the best readme I've ever had...

Can you upload the Handley Page if it's
done and dusted, I'm doing a full menued
1.28b version of WF for beta testing and
would like to include it.

Flyright, a Spad and a DVII would be handy
too..

Will send to Jel initially for evaluation
and bug detection prior to 1.28c.

unfortunately they're not done, got bored working on the same planes and the HP has to be remapped which is probably one of the reasons why it wasn't made public? unless you want to do it, let the Col know because i like to strike that one off on my to-do-list too...

and if you have FTB access at the Gen 1.28c is already available testing or i can send it to you!

Righto, will run without em...can substitute
the fokker with an oeffag, the spads with
nieuports and the handley page with a newly
skinned RFC Salmson.

and theres other unfinsihed stuff am sitting on also...so any release will continue as a perpetual WIP anyway.

with that neutral tent though it looks really close to the one with this zep pic but now i'm not sure that is a tent or were any that housed a zep with that low profile, maybe its some auxillary work area, any clues...

...but i could resize one anyway so it can replace some other wwii airbase object.

Hi Ade.

Here is the main model of the Handley Page 400/0.

http://rapidshare.com/files/266097718/HP400-0.zip.html

I've finished the distance model, but it's not fully skinned yet.

Hope you get over your boredom soon, FlyRight. Such nice WIP (Work in Progress).
Maybe a release date by Ade will get your juices flowing again.

All good Gibbo...how far away is the distance model?
not keen on the yellow B17's..new skins for the HP on
the boil..

She skins up well Gibbo.. put a fire under
that distance model m8!...

Night and desert versions on the go...

Unit: 207 Sqn, RAF
Serial: A-I
Based at Ligescourt, France in 1918

That is stunning!

I'll get on it tonight.

What can i say...

to claim they will look good in my crosshairs would be an insult...

Amazing work mate.

Here's an action shot, as you can see the
naughty Huns in the Oeffags are using rockets.
hehe..thought you might enjoy that Fran!

Gun placements not quite right on the HP,
however this can be fixed later. BTW these
bomber missions are an absolute bloodbath
hardly anyone gets out alive!!

In the melee bombs are dropping from everywhere
and fighters going down in flames in all directions

Thx Ade

Btw, the Oeffags (Oesterreichische Flugzeugfabrik AG) are naughty Apfelstrudel Austrians, the Huns are Prussians. Me being a Bavarian

Oeffag factory was founded by a certain Baron von Skoda, a familiar name. Changed to Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG (most familiar names again)in 1934 and ended as Wiener Neustädter Flugzeugwerke (WNF) who were responsible for the production of more than 8500 Bf 109s in WW2. Here´s the connection to EAW...

My humble apologies Fran..I meant the Apfelstrudel Austrians
of course..........................wearing their Lederhosen and
shouting bier songs with a wench under each arm I should
imagine!

ade

Ahhh to have a wench..Never enough around..Keep at it guys.It is a race to see what gets released first.SPAW or WWI...

Woody

Letting you know I did receive your email
re wet starts and all the other good ideas
m8..thanks.

Lost it in a jam up after I gave the inbox
an enema !

G'day Spitty you ol' wencher...

ade

Hi Ade.

In my searches for the info on this plane, I think we have the only HP 400/0 in a flight sim.

nice! i just DL the version Gibbons made available to you and see its with new pcx templates not with the unfinished camo i started which was what actually needed the remapping, unlike the one he left in there, so i can put that redo on the far back burner...now i have an idea we can pull a HP1600 out of that shape...someday!

and it seems i see a darken chord area on the bottom wing? and it doesn't look like a shadow effect or is it.

Hi FlyRight.

The changes I made after you skinned the wings was to make the best use of the PCX, which for the wings is very limited.

Hey, Tiger.
The "NO START/WET START" test exe and email is re-sent.

Don't dump your inbox!

Got it Woody thanks...

Gibbo

If you could reverse the engines, we could have as
near as dammit to a Gotha....

Now that is what I call a superior skin. Absolutly a 10 out of 10.

---Hang on, Ade. Have another test exe in the works for start throttles.
Will send ASAP.


SOME USEFUL COMMENTS by ACTUAL PILOTS ON WWI FLIGHT MODELS

(ripped off from flight modelling thread in the "Rise of Flight" forum, which is a hot WWI sim right now. Most actual pilots liked the sim's FM's.)

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2837090/1/Real_pilots_that_have_this_sim.html

From PATRICK WILSON---
lol - I'm going to disagree with a real pilot on roll rate. WWI planes had notoriously ineffective ailerons. They were used more for tuning than initiating a roll. Rudder was how roll was initiated. The ineffectiveness had something to do with airflow over the wings and not aileron area. I'm not conversant enough in fluid physics to really provide details. One advantage of the D.VII was the fact that it DID have effective ailerons.

The planes in RoF seem to fly "modern" in the sense that ailerons are very effective. SPADs had a terrible roll rate, but in RoF I can initiate a perfectly nice roll without any rudder at all.

Now please don't take the above as a rant or whine. I really do like the FMs just fine. The "in flight" portion of this game is its strong point. The roll rate of the SPAD (the first plane that I flew) really struck me. Is my perception correct or not? Don't really know. Just know what I have read and how I perceive the game.
-------------------------------

from HOT TOM


Wow! Some of you guys with 5-digit hours humble my brief experience 40-something years ago as a private fixed-wing pilot (and a lot of unofficial rotary time when flying with pilot buddies in the Army).

Most of my flying was in Colorado where it can be quite (often very) windy and the buffeting in RoF feels very genuine. I do wish they would get those wind socks working because taking off and landing with the wind in the light Nieuports can be really ugly.

You are wrong on the trim issue, at least in many of the British planes.

Almost all of the Sopwith aircraft dating back at least to the Strutter had pitch trim adjusted with a large wheel next to the pilot's seat with cables connected to the elevator.

Note the trim wheel pictured about half way down the page of pictures on this Sop Tripe replica:

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/image-galleries/sopwith-triplane-replica

And the SE5a had trim adjustment comparable to many 1930s biplanes. Way ahead of its time. It could be flown hands off:

http://www.eaa.org.za/articles/se5a-pilot-report

"Now, lined up into wind I bring the speed back to 60 and wind the tail trim fully nose up for the landing."

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/se-5a-reproduction/flying-se5a

"Adjusting the elevator trim allows the SE5a to be flown hands off something I’m not used to in a WW1 fighter."

The problem in RoF is that there are no key strokes to adjust the trim the way it could be done in flight in at least some of the aircraft (certainly in the Sopwiths and the SE5a).

That needs fixing.

Again, my real life stick time is limited and long ago but RoF feels (is that subjective!!!) very much the way I recall it, especially the turbulence and flying into the wind. No other sim I've flown (and that's quite a few) comes close!

And, yes, the pitch is too quirky.

That also needs fixing.

---------------

from VANDERSTOK


Do you think so? I tested spins in the Albatros DVa yesterday and that crate seems like a proper death trap (Mind you, I only have a couple of weeks flying gliders as real-life experience)...

...I made a little video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQob_r1i4vc

...So, these planes just have nasty spin behaviour?
--------

from GUNLOON

Yes, pretty much...remember that these were designed in pre-computer days by guys going by as much intuition as engineering knowledge, and had a premium placed on maneuverability over stability, plus the limits of the then-current technology and construction materials to contend with as well.

Build a model of a short nosed, short coupled biplane and you'll see...you have to cram as much equipment in as far forward as possible to keep the CG in range, and you'll still have to add nose weight more often than not. It's a lot easier these days with lightweight radio equipment and batteries, I was happy to abandon those bulky receivers, servos, and nicad power packs!

This is very evident in the better stability of the planes like the Albatros with its relatively long nose, and conversely, the instability of the Nieuports and (historically, so far) the Camel.

[MF] Gunloon

----------end

Problem with flying WW1 aircraft is rotational torque.The big round thing up front isn,t called a rotary engine for nothing.Sopwith Camels were notorius for aileron reversal in some instances due to the rotational mass of the engine counteracting the aerodynamic forces on the control surfaces..
Any aircraft can be trimmed.Metal tabs can be bent with pliers on the ailerons,wing trailing edges can be tweaked with hammers andanother way is the drag trim where a long ribbon is attached to the high side wing.

Hi Ade.

I think we should be looking at the Zeppelin Staaken R.VI for a German Bomber?

Sounds good to me....more power to ya!

There's nothing like escorting in an open
seater, wind in ye hair, smell of castor
oil in ye nostrils......................




then ye fill ye pants when the huns turn up!

Will be the Camel a available model in the first release? If yes, can someone post a pic?

G'day Stratos

Using nieuports until a camel model
is undertaken....could be a while!



ade

eons is probably the word to consider...but before we go off line for maintenance, posting this damage pic of the Zep hanger while i have chance!

..i can't do anymore with this, except an alternate camo is in the works.

Ade!!! i can send you this version over the weekend, right now its substituting the bunker and you'll notice in the background theres a pointless mooring poll, not because theres no steeple shape, its just there...somewhat pointless since it doesn't render at certain angles with the grounded zep - cheers

Righto Al....send the pigeon...looks brilliant
as usual..

Hello! Will WW1 be available as an add-on?

That's the idea, Sera, but it ia still a long way to go....

Desert version...yet to be squadroned.

G'day Sera...

Yep the Western Front scenario will be available
for download from Tally Ho, but as Jack says it
will be some time off yet..Still needing lots of
help....

ade

done testing damage...

you can even fly inside and check that everybody got vaborized...

overhead view if too screamish...


i'll send this also to Pobs for target editing hopefully in somewhere - cheers

Good man yourself Al...

Alternative airfield layout....

Ade,

could you send me over your terrain set ?... I am currently using the 'darkened' frontline tiles with a standard version of the rest of the terrain and it is annoying me !!... thanks



cheers,


Pobs

You'll already have it Pobs...it's sagginb's
summer terrain m8....

Gibbo...thanks for the 1.2 converted distance files
they work fine.

As mentioned sometime earlier, Western Front has
been done in 2 versions, v1.2 single missions only
and the full menued OAW compatible 1.28b onward,
when it's ready I will send the 1.28b version to
Jel and others for evaluation.

1.2


1.28


Will check in at the Gen soon....

ade

Western Front exe comments are mostly in the Naafi.
You also have your own "blog" section.

Thanks woody...all done

Zep hangar looks great Al..with some
re positioning en sites I'd imagine..

Hi Ade.

One thing that is needed from you is a what's needed list.

We need to know what Tmods and Aircraft are still missing from your scenario.

I know the Dr1 is badly needed, and I'm having a think about a DH-2 fighter, but what else?

Please post a list of your wants.

At the gen m8.....

Beautiful screenies - makes me very curious about more.
My head is spinning about the spped you guys are producing - my reverence

Nice skin for the Nieuport, supose that will be a while until the Camel is ready

for better default! could also or instead put the zep hangers or zep tmods inplace of the v1 launcher.

G'day Stratos...

Yeah the Camel will take some time m8
but it's high up on the to do list..
In the meantime this one is filling in
fot it in the spit 1 slot....

first aid station?

Beautiful!!

Now that's a smart (and very quick) use of a mod, FlyRight

thanks, that was just a workup..i could fix a single symbol in the center but should remap the side that causes the mirrow you only see and still needs damage, should also first check into wwi redcross applications see how close i was!

checked...the cross does needs to be broader!

Hi Guys.

Please remember to repost on this thread. We are slowly grrowing a following there too.

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=140951

Have completed a winter terrain set for Western Front,
together with new winter buildings,hangars,runways,
trees and alternative mainscreens.

Both summer/spring and winter terrain sets with accessories
and mainscreen 'Packs' will be included in the game folder
for an easy transition to winter and back again.

Sponsor's tent, American Sector?

Sorry, the devil made me do it.

Hey Ade! seems those city building have some kind of force field around them sitting in that worn torn terrain...you could replace the tmod_h with the damage 3dz as the default, Gibbon HR Cityset might have an updated damage look too!!!

and is that a full trench line that actually runs across matched up tiles...you only sent me a couple pot hole samples is why am asking.

Yeah...buildings need some more damage ...also
needin' someone to make damaged trees (blackened stumps)
then locate them in the trenched area..



The BNalcty5 tile was the one Pobs originally sent me for
a trench test file, waiting on him for progress update
with trench tile set..

Soon to join the ranks with some of Tuma's WW1
models will be Flyright's Spads and Fokker DVII,
Gibbo's Handley Page and now a DH-2 with possibly
a Staaken bomber on the horizon.....still needing
a Fokker DR1 and a Camel F1, however the incentive
to complete these 2 should be high, now that the
stable of finished aircraft models has reached 23
and 96 variations.

Thought I'd modify this post and pull down the
random pic gallery and replace with organised
jasta's, escadrilles .....as they are completed.

Jasta 18


Jasta 5


misnomer corrected above...

Excellent sets.
More and brighter colors, please, now that we have 24-bit.

Chvojka's WW1 models ??????????

If I no mislead, my friend Karel Chvojka manufactured only prewar and WW2 low-res 3Dz models (see my weppages and sandbagger´s website).

All so far released WW1 hi-res 3Dz models, with the exception Col. Gibbon´s excelent S.E.5, Handley Page 400/0 and Zeppelin, was created by Jan Tuma! See:

Albatros D.I, DII (early+late), D.III (early+late), D.IV, D.V (early+late),D.Va, D.Va OAW; Albatros Dr.1; Oeffag D.II, D.III ba.53, D.III ba.153, D.III ba.253; Pfaltz D.III; Halberstadt CL.II; Albatros C.III; Aviatik B.II; Morane-Saulnier N; Nieuport 11, 16, 17; Nieuport 24; Nieuport 28C1; Nieuport 12, 12bis; Salmson Sa.2A2

(see Sandbagger´s WW1 webpages! http://www.sandbaggereaw.com/ww1skins1.html or http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2150875/45.html, http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2150875/51.html, http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2150875/83.html and next...).

Even also expected FlyRright's Fokker VII and SPADs be based on Jan Tuma´s prewar biplanes hi-res 3Dz models (Fiat Cr.20bis, Avia Ba.33, Svenska Aero J-6... see http://www.tenzor.cz/tuma/index_hr.html)



Jan

http://www.tenzor.cz/tuma/index.html

Yep...my apologies Jan, got you and Karel
mixed up somehow in the above article, all
present and correct now m8...

ade

Promo strip for future use....

Hi Ade.

Do you think we could get SimHQ to use your promo art instead of the crap OFF?

Hi Ade,

lol you may want to re-think the logo on the bottom of your ad-strip.... I may not be the only one that understood 'WTF' as having a somewhat dubious meaning !!!!.....


cheers,



pobs

Moggy DCM

Pobbo...with the T dominant in the acronym
it reads TWF m8....

Nice bit of maths there in the animation Ade!

Jel

Hopefully to get the creative juices flowing...
Dr1

You've got mine flowing m8..

There you go, a single big officers tent.

Interesting bit of history from the First battle in Mons, where my Grandfather fought.

Sir John French's First Despatch

The first Despatch of Field Marshal Sir John French, Commander in Chief of the British Armies in France and Flanders. Printed in the Third Supplement to the London Gazette of 8 September 1914. It covered the movement of the BEF to France, the early clashes at Mons and Le Cateau and the beginning of the great retreat.

Don't think the brass would be too impressed
with a tent, was thinking more along these
lines.....

OK, Junior officers, and NCO's.

Your mansion is more for the general, and his staff. I don't think the RFC were soooo far up the pecking order to get to many digs like that one.

...in Fly Boys they did! and don't forget the other side in The Blue Max, i know! the movies like a sim wasn't exactly real either...as well as someone i think? forgot to paste in a shadow under the car that just parked onto the picture?

Just checking to see if you were paying attention Al....lol

gibbo
Hundreds of well to do houses were commandeered by both sides
for quarters as the front lines moved back and forth, a shining
example is the mansion house and grounds at Bertangles occupied
by the Australian AFC and AIF, around 200 officers,NCO's and
enlisted ranks, this is where Von Richtofen was initially buried,
and where John Monash was knighted in the field by King George V.
3 squadron AFC operated from Poulainville airfield nearby...

chateau bertangles

WW1 pICTURE:

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/image/tid/94

Hi Sera.

Great site!. Many thanks for the link.



Hi Ade.

Take note of the Spreading the Word thread. You now have somwhere to post your prom banner.

All good gibbo...

Latest froggie machine...
Have started work on the French escadrilles...

Nieuport 24
Unit: N91 Escadrille
Serial: 3 (N3961)
France 1917

Thought old Herschel deserved a place in EAW
history....he was the first African American
pilot in WW1, but had to fly for the French....

Nieuport 17
Escadrille N314
Pilot: Herschel McKee
France. 1917

We could use a new pilot, Ade.

Wonder if we could get one that looks at you!

Handley Page 0/400 Night Bomber
Serial F
Nancy, France 1918



ade

The one and only all red Dv.....

Albatros D.V (late)
Unit: Jasta 11
Serial: D.1177/17
Pilot: Ritt. Manfred von Richthofen.
June 1917.

Errr...Ade
That color red looks like a weak maroon on my setup.
Got something a little brighter?

Take a screen shot and email it to me...

Hi Ade.

Love to see those skins in 24bit colour. Those 8bit Reds really don't look that good.

Sorry blokes...the skin above is an optimised 32 bit
skin... purposely faded to match the profile hereunder,
which, after a fair bit of research, I feel accurately
depicts the hue von Richthofen's Dv would have been
painted in 1917....

There are several forums with hundreds of pages
on this colour issue alone...and much conjecture.

Am also researching the colour scheme and markings of
the Dr1 he was shot down in...

Hi Ade.

Now I see the profile, I see why the colours looked all washed out. Underneath is varnished wood, with a thin coat of Red Oxide, and then weathered. Great job, on a difficult skin.

or theres this version, which look oddly alike? note that there was mauve/green underlay too, it all comes down to the artists own interpretation as well as viewer preferences...

except with bitamp skinning i'd have to start from scratch or rather the cut&paste method from such artwork above, reusing Tumas skins will still be pixulated no matter how many colors you have now, but thats just me...

and since its a bitmap commentary, am reworking the Se5 for doing that down the road but see how well the roundels look using 24bit if not the exact coloring, against a home defense camo...


and heres a better underwing with new bitmap fabric which only loses some shading in 256 colors as already seen with the HP...


Col! any chance of you having Deans original Se5 profiles in bitmap format???

btw am now using Pauls Wilsons summer terrain v4, forgot all about his and i think it beats anything else that we presently had, he even painted connecting roads across river crossing were birdges are missing!!!

Check your email.

Nothing odd about it Al...my profile's based
on the old Pearson art you've posted up.
Here's a version demonstrating more clearly
the original mauve green you mention, under
the red on the top wing....

your right!!! that one is from a different artist and can see the under coat of mauve/green camo now, i found the exact same one as yours at WingsPalette but its still more redder, done by Mikhail Bykov...

recieved the Se5 profiles, perfect!!!

Yeah...If some profiles are any indication of
colours used 90 years ago, there must have been
some weird and wonderful looking machines....

With the amalgamation of Jastas 4, 6, 10, and 11
to form JG.1 in June 1917, it's no wonder they
ended up calling it "The Flying Circus."

No need for a screenshot, Ade.
You faithfully used the "right" mauve colors, I suppose, since the really red one's posted by FlyRight stand out.

All I can say is The Red Baron must have had strange tastes.

Purported to be taken in 1917, check out the
shade of red...

Colour Charts

http://www.histomin.com/linehum/linehummp.htm

http://www.histomin.com/linetes/linetesmp.htm

http://www.histomin.com/linevac/linevacmp.htm#VALLEJO FULL LISTING

http://www.histomin.com/lineand/andsupplies/pgsuplyand.htm

WW1 Aircraft model links

http://www.histomin.com/World%20War%201%...ale%20Index.htm

http://www.histomin.com/HM%20Journal/HMJ%20Journal%20Issue%2001/HMJ%20Issue%2001%20DFW%20C.V.htm

http://www.histomin.com/HM%20Journal/HMJ...tadt%20D.II.htm

http://www.histomin.com/HM%20Journal/HMJ...pler%20C.IV.htm

http://www.histomin.com/HM%20Journal/HMJ...iatik%20C.I.htm

http://www.histomin.com/HM%20Journal/HMJ...atros%20C.X.htm

http://www.histomin.com/World%20War%201%...1acftaegcIV.htm

And lots of interesting stuff here too.

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/

...and all the exhaust smoke! (a minor issue currently under coding discussion )

Now, that's my Red Baron red.

If I may add a bit of an anecdote, or observation, regarding colors:

My parents owned a hobby shop for 26 years, and I worked there nearly 23 of those years. We sold Aerogloss Dope for painting various types of balsa kits, and over the years I found from conversations with some real old timers that this type of paint was very similar, if not identical, to the type used in the days of World War I.

The characteristics of dope are a bit different than an enamel or acrylic paint. Those types of paints are thicker and have special binders that tend to make them sit on top of, rather than soak in to, a porous material such as the fabrics used in airplanes (generally called canvas but actually more of a linen and in the case of madel airplanes, silk). This allows the paint to create a deep, rich, bright or glossy finish.

Dope on the other hand, was meant to soak into the fabric and was originally used to make it stiff. Coloring came after. But then end result is that because the dope soaked into the fabric rather than sat on the surface, the colors tend to be more subdued. In fact, it is almost impossible to get doped linen to have a shiny, bright appearence without applying enough coats to fill in the "pores" in the fabric. This adds a great deal of weight to the aircraft. This is turn would cause a dramatic loss in performance from the engines of the day, as well as adding to the flamability of the airframe.

The point I am getting at is that colors in my opinion, should be a bit on the flat side. They can be bright, but a little goes a long way. When you take into consideration the rapid effects of weathering on these machines, even more so. For example, Aerogloss Fokker Red looks quite bright on silkspan, like the brightest profile shown above, yet on silk it never gets bright enough (which customers would complain about endlessly before plastering epoxy all over their models then watching them plummet to earth as they lost lift in a simple turn).

Paint them as you will. I love them all!

And there's my 2 cents worth....

Nice input..thanks Jacko..

gibbo

Can the following be done when time permits to
finish off the SE5?

a) cockpit view - and would be nice with lewis gun visible,
Tuma also missed this detail with all his Nieuports
and Oeffags carrying wing guns...



b) 3d pilot - your pilot disappears front and rear on views

c) thicker undercarriage struts that don't disappear in front
and rear on views.



d) round wheels - your wheels are appearing octagonal and
the 2 wheel covers are different sizes on the tex.pcx
preventing any accurate skinning.

d) damage model

Ade! am sorta on it! close to what your asking...but there isn't any front/rear elements just L/R for the pilot which has a proportional shape now but i did open up the blinded ckpt external view so you can now see the interior elements from outside panning also there new sperical cone skinning hubs...new woodgrain prop, new 24bit/256 compatiable undercarriage fabric, soon new 24bit camo which will be the default template (stripped of all markings) from Deans original artwork and some other things...i wouldn't spend any time doing skins from the beta release, nothing will be compatiable with these updated 3dzs/pcxs and i'll send it to you and Gibbons asap! - cheers

PS: am only held up for the moment since experimenting with bitmapping now the ckpt which will look a lot better with a wood grain dash/leather/interior not to mention some wwI dials...the Se5 will benefit from this starter upgrade which i can be passed on to the others someday except i can't do nothing about the guns (unless there visable at windshield height) since the dials are in the way and can't be moved because of the default needles.

Cough cough sputter cough sneeze WHAT!?!? I can move the needles wherever you want them!

Dude, I have been working on this for almost 4 years, we have an editor that can change all the parameters of the needles, and moving a needle in 3d is almost child's play, a simple X-Y change....

Put the dials wherever you want them, and send me the X.tpc pcx, which slot you want, and a description of which gauge is which. I'll make you a custom P***VIEW.CPT and VCG****.DAT file. I can even create a custom set of 2D views for the cpt file once the 3D version is done.

Cheers!!

ok CJ i'll pass that onto you (since it looks like you just volunteered, ha!ha!) but can Ade show what dials are what in his pic??? i wasn't interested or have time reseaching wwi cockpits that as much as spending my time just getting rid the pixualtion and before continuing with it!

at the moment Tumas default dials from left to right are...
1st row:
Artifical Horizon (Altitude Indicator)
Rate of Climb Indicator (ROC)
Engine Temp Gauge
2nd row
Fuel Gauge (litres)
Altimeter
Oil pressure which doesn't look like it works? so i pasted over it with a switch thingie
Tachometer (RPM)

...to show where these go? or i'll just make a new generic arrangement because i think all of Tumas dial placements are the same anyway.

BTW your explanation on doping makes the most sense, i'll keep that in mind which also explains why other wwi sim eye-candy textures still look like arcade games to me.

This is nice, and tells you which is which instrument.

http://memorial.flight.free.fr/se5photo3uk.html

Have you got textures for the dials?

what is boussole and pompeselec?

and i have some dials ripped off from RB but rather have larger untampered pics...

heres only a test placement of 4 dials but am not sure what a artificial horizon indicator would of been so i stuck the one on that you see for the Attitude gauge and correct wherever am wrong, am working from lack of memory at this early stage...

...and i still need a fuel gauge and rate of climb gauge and whatever that other one is?

reminding anybody i don't make ckpts!!! am only replacing Tumas default graphics.

I reckon boussole is a compass and pompeselec
an electric pump?

SE5a pannel instruments:

Great close up pic, thanks for the input Sera....

Here are some good textures for cockpits.

http://www.memaerobilia.com/instrumentselection.asp

boussole - compass
pompe selecte - this is an air pump selector. Not sure what this was used for - could select air from the engine or from a hand pump.

The red and yellow gauge - this is a dual gauge, and it's coloration and usage is actually WWII vintage. Red was either engine temp or boost normally and yellow was for oil temp and pressure. In this instance I would say use it for oil temp and water temp/engine temp.

If you want the clearest gauges I would recommend using new ones, created fromn scratch. The ones from photos loose a LOT in the translation, and using ones from other games always come out oval in shape unless you strip it directly from the source texture. I haven't looked at Jan's work in a while, but I am sure they are top notch....

If you want to send me the files, I'll pm my address to you and taker a look at them...

Gibbons sent me zip full of dials, when i fiqure out what i can use i'll be in touch CJ, thinking of going back to a default wwii instrument panel that matchs up the most qauges now with wwi as well as trying to add on a R/L shelf, but for now heres the bitmap interior so far...


...when you don't have fuzzy pixels covering up mismatched elements it makes this way a little more exacting but should be more texture friendly to look at now - cheers

Nothing like a bit of 4 by 2, is there.

Impresionante!

Oeffag D.III Ba.253
Unit: Flik 63J
Serial: 253.32
Pilot: Zgsf.Rudolf Nemetz.
France 1918.

I'm loving the new HP O/400 skins! The Bulgarian Albs are a nice touch too.

Good on ya Jas...

Looking for a Gotha G.Vb to eventuate,
basically a 0/400 with motors reversed
and a different tail.

heres another site with some a/c parts but not much more than that...
http://www.jasta11.co.uk/

CJ you got a Pm question about needles

One for the allies...
http://www.3squadron.org.au/history.htm#WW%20I

The SE5a is now looking very pukka thanks
to Flyright's upscaling to size, new
undercarriage, blurred arc prop and larger
prop hub. The wings have been reworked,
and I've reskinned them to reduce the
original rib sizes.

More work to go..still requiring rounder
wheels and a larger 3d pilot as you can
see he's now too small...any volunteers?

Flyright is working on a new cockpit
sporting some of Jacko's instruments/
needles I believe.

Thanks to Gibbo and DeanH for the original
hard work with this one....

heres a better perspective comparing man to machine but is there somethng odd with this...???

Yeah... it looks like an early production
SE5, no fuselage bulkhead behind the cockpit
which has early cutaway style sides. The ones
behind look to have bulkheads and I reckon would
be SE5a's...

That's a beaut, Ade.

Canadian ace Billy Bishop...



as mentioned earlier rounder wheels would
be the go...here's a pic posted up by Jan
a while back, showing some sort of process
for rounding the wheels?

That Morane N's tail looks off... Should be more triangular?

some of those old pics were wip shapes snatching some other base 3dz which the morane in this case was borrowing from the albatros, markings would be another tip...

for instance the Dr1 looks like it could mutate into the Eindecker shape!!!

and heres some newer pics...


...gauges & switches next, then will pass this down the assemply line for working needles.

looking to fit the following wwi dials for:
Airspeed
Altimeter
Tachometer
Turn&bank
Petrol
Oil/Water Temp
Clock/Compass

First class work Al...

It´s Always amazing and a pleasure to look at your latest achievements, guys -- thx a lot for your work!

Concerning Luftwaffe WW1 instruments - do you know this page?

http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/instrumente-englisch/katalog%201WK/KatalogIndex/index.htm

Nice link thanks Fran...every little
bit helps m8..

ade

Thanks too!!! need more sites like that as was the Se5, especially where the images are large frontal photos/walk-arounds (for instance the Fokker joystick is at the right angle for a cut&paste).

anybody can help post others is also a big contribution, Nieuport/Spad/Albatros, even the Zep, etc! so a repository can be built later for specific cockpits...

this one was just a replacement, only meant to update Tumas version but after some cursery research it looks like only late production craft like the Spads, Fokkers had any assortment of gauges while earlier a/c like the Nieuports didn't even have a dash and others only had a few dials.

heres more fine tuning and if your flying by the seat of your pants i think you would need one, just in case...

wwi instruments for a pseudo Se5 panel...

...w/room for vickers gun stock and magazine holder

CJ!!! i can send these files any time...which is all thats needed to get the needles started, while the windshield/prop file is pending to be updated.

Hi FlyRight.

I take it you are scratch building a new cockpit, and it looks super.

Making good use of those textures I sent you???

I do have some cockpit wings somewhere, but they need a bit of a Vickers gun added to them.

But, one tiny request, any chance of some arms and legs???????

am leaning towards doing other wwi specific panels, this one will serve as the 3dz base which was not so much as scatch but more like creative manipulation...

such as the dials/face plates which helps add credability when copying the original hardware, with appendages aside and whos really staring at their knees when flying anyway??? and theres this UL if all else fails searching gauges...
http://www.aerocockpit.com/

Hello Col. Gibbon!
Do you use textures in 24 bits for the cockpit of the Se5?

Hi Sera.

The cockpit is FlyRight's work, but judging by the screen shots, he is.

24 bit, is an option open to anyone using 1.28 series exe's.

Meanwhile back over the trenches....

a few skins of flyright's spads and dvii...
have created cockpits, wingviews,
distance views and fm's for these, sadly
were stuck with the tuma style block
headed pilot again and the usual rs flaws
but I'm personally thankful to flyright for
his hard work getting these done....

anyway, slowly but surely filling the slots...

spad VII - lafayette esc. - p47c slot



spad VII - esc spa 31 - p47c slot



spad XIII - rickenbacker 94th aero sqd. p47d slot



spad XVI - 27th aero sqd. - mossie slot



fokker DVII - jasta 11 - 262 slot



fokker DVII - jasta 18 - 109k slot



fokker DVII - jasta 80b - 262 slot



fokker DVII - jasta 71 - 109k slot

Lovely, lovely!

Remarkable, as always!

No:6 Naval Sqdn Nieuports over La Havre.

WOW!!!

Amazing work, Ade...

Hi Ade

Those skins are excellent, as always

Cheers mate

Slots completed:

Spit 1 slot - SE5 AFC
Spit 9 slot - Nieuport 24
Spit 14 slot - Se5a RFC
Hurri slot - Nieuport 17 RFC
Typhoon slot - Spad VII RFC
Tempest slot - Nieuport 24
Mossie slot - Spad XVI/ rear gun

P51B slot - Nieuport 11/17
P51D slot - Nieuport 27/28/ SE5a
P38H slot - Nieuport 24
P38J slot - Morane Saulnier N12
P47C slot - Spad VII
P47D slot - Spad XIII
B24 slot - Nieuport 12 bis/rear gun
B26 slot - Salmson - rear gun
B17 slot - Handley Page nose/rear guns

109E slot - Albatros DII/III/V
109G slot- Fokker DVII/Oeffag DIII/53
109K slot - Pfalz DIII
110C slot - Albatros C III/rear gun
110G slot - Halberstadt CLII /rear gun
410 slot - Oeffag D.III Ba.253
190A slot- Albatros DVa
190D slot - Albatros DrI triplane
262 slot - Fokker DVII
Ju88A slot - Albatros CIII/rear gun
Ju88C slot - Halberstadt CLII blue/rear gun
ju87 slot - Aviatik CI/rear gun
He111 slot - Gotha nose/rear guns
V1 slot - Zeppelin


a couple of new skins....

Spad S.VII
Serial: A6706
No.19 Sqdn RFC
Fienvillers Airfield
Western Front
Spring 1917




Albatros D.V
Unit: Jasta 30
Serial: unknown
Pilot - Bertrab.



Spring/Summer and Winter terrain packs finished...
Updated inflight map completed..
Fm's done for Spads x3 and Fokker DVII
jet engine sound eliminated and original engine
sound installed in 262 slot and 262 hangar audio
now occupied by the DVII....

ade

Stunning Ade!!!!!!!

g'day Per and Nate...

nice to hear from you blokes and a
big thanks for your past input...

Per, am using your winter/summer tree
packs and airfield buildings for WF
as these are the best ever done IMO...

and Nate still referencing the WW1
osprey books you kindly sent to me,
these remain invaluable m8..

ade

New hangar for the DVII formerly housing
the Me262, have replaced the jet engine audio
with one of Woody's start up and running of
a WW1 engine, and somehow managed to retain
the tinkering hangar work sounds...
also disabled inflight jet engine sound and
replaced with inline engine sound file...



version of Flyright's model as it appears in game...

DVII hangar looks just like one of M.Millers original artwork!!! cheers

yep....have reworked several miller backgrounds into
the hangar screens...and added his site link to the
credits...

Aussie SE5a added to the Spit 1 slot.

Royal Aircraft Factory SE5a
Serial: D 3542
6 Squadron.
Australian Flying Corps
Pilot: John Rutherford Gordon
France 1918

a couple of new winter harbours...
to provide a bit more interest
along the coastlines..

Oeffag D.III Ba.253
Unit: Flik 3J
Serial: 253.04
Pilot - Lt.Franz Peter (6 victories).
Spring of 1918.
Later he served in the Polish AF.



Pfalz D.III
Unit: Jasta 11
Serial: D.III 1369/17
Pilot - Vfw. Joseph Lautenschlager.
Macrkebeke airfield, October 1917.



Albatros C.III
Unit: Staffel 20, KAGOHL 4
Serial: 20 (C.772/16)
Circa 1916.





temporary substitute for an RE-8



will release a version of WF for beta testing as soon as
in the new year...1.2 or 1.28c?

a comfy christmas to you all....

ade

1.28c!!!...but heres a bigger question! can the Col now! get the Dr1 done in time???

The answer is nope. Until I get some sort of half decent rig going, and my hand improves, I'm out of action.

albatros dr1 front of house for the time being...

Hi Ade,

nice looking skins, but do you know that this Dr.1 was a failsure and never saw service??

Greetings,

Knegel

yep...but it's the only triplane we have
at present, so into service it goes...

Thats most strange, no Fokker Dr.1, but this one, thats like no Bf109E, but a Fw 159.

not so strange if you squint, that usually helps!!! got us through the PAW shapes for years i recall, besides its a beta setup as opposed to nothing at all...3 years in the waiting is long enough!!! and like everything else with eaw, it will mutate and if it doesn't? then those glitches didn't matter anyway!!!

Cruise Altitudes:-



Would like to lower all altitudes for
Western Front aircraft...are the cruise
altitudes editable or hard coded in the exe?



Default 1.2
random
low 0 - 4000' approx
medium 4000 - 14000' "
high 14000 - 25000' "
none


Preferred altitudes for WF :-

random
low 0 - 1500'
medium 1500 - 7000'
high 7000 - 15000'
none

and the equivalent in metres for germany and france

any help much appreciated...

ade

Hello,

the cruise alt is hardcoded in general, but its never higher than the max altitude of one of the used planes.

So, if you set the max altitude of a plane to 15000 FEET, the cruise alt will be below it.

Greetings,

Knegel

ta ralf..

the cruise alt is hardcoded in general

what does hardcoded in general mean?

So, if you set the max altitude of a plane to 15000 FEET,
the cruise alt will be below it.

OK... but how do I set the maximum/minimum altitudes for a
plane?

ade

Hi,

hardcoded in general mean, that its hardcoded, but it get overtuned by the max alt of the plane.


"max alt" is a value in the flt files, with F-Edit you can edit them.

Greetings,

Knegel

what's F-Edit and where is it?

Oh, sorry, i thought you have it, maybe you have "Aircraftedit"??

If not, PM me your E-Mail addy, then i will send you the latest F-Edit.

good man yourself...ralf

ade

having spent most of january in sub zero temps
becoming a grandad, thought a couple of winter models
would be in order......












Pobs me ol' m8...any progress with the trench
tiles and do you need any help with blending
and snaking them?



have duplicated airfield 06 (Lympne) for all, but
the tmods ie: 6 hangars, balloon, AA and tower
layout only reproduce at St.Omer, St Trond and
Lille...I remember you mentioning this to me...and
am wondering if you would be able to duplicate the
above layout for all airfields? (not sure how much
work I'm requesting here)

have a 1.28d - MP version (below) of WF done, however
activating the rollovers in the Config Screen
crashes the game.......anyone?



Still to go.....
targets/bases
altitudes
fokker Dr1
camel F1
gotha V
damaged trees located in trench tiles..


ade

Congratulations to you and your family Ade
I had guessed that an announcement was imminent and remarked as such to Pam yesterday.

Halls Gap this weekend
How the years fly by

Jel

Is Western Front available as a complete download ?

oldgroggo...not yet m8, still under construction...

thanks jel...all good on the family front,
hope you have a good workout at the 'Gap' m8
...btw your pm is full!

I am looking forward to it. What I have seen looks great. The modders here are a gifted lot of people.

Hi FT,

lovely skins as usual matey ...

in answer to your questions :

1. the trench tiles are fine but I think we need a couple more to give us the variability we need to avoid a rather 'square' feel to the frontline, I have been trying paper layouts to see what the minimum number of tiles I can get away with is...


2. The airfield setup can easily be replicated wherever you want it with the new editor it is a simple process, the only bit that needs Gurneys target editor is turning the airfields at each site to the same angle so the building layout works at each site.

3.the target bases setup is almost done but the work placing the tiles to correspond to the new towns and villages and frontlines is awaiting my decision on which tiles I need to use for the frontline trenches, and whether we are making this terrain for the 1.28 series or for all exes ?... important because with the 1.28 we have 5 extra tiles to play with that are not available in the original game...

couple of images from my test setup;







and the frontline shelling works well too ...






cheers,



Pobs

thanks Pobs this is great news m8..
you're a diamond....

1. trench tiles noted

2. airfields - as in my pic above, now using Roy's 2 strip
field so if the hangars were placed parallel to either
one of the strips at a reasonable distance, the orientation
could be the same for all...I think? Might have to move
the water tower and an AA emplacement?

3. yep certainly construct terrain for the 1.28 series,
I have the game running smoothly in 1.28d at present
with only a few glitches that need addressing.......
namely - inflight engine sounds, config screen crashes
and need to adjust cruise altitudes for all planes to WW1
ceilings.

Hi Ade,

just to clarify, incase we are talking at cross purposes ...

the building layout on the field doesnt automatically change with the angle the field is set at in the targets.dat... so if I set up an airfield at one site and copy that site setup in tardata.dat to other sites then the same field and buildings will appear at the new site... BUT... if the targets.dat data for the field puts it at a different angle at the new site then the 'field' will be re-alligned, but the buildings and stuff will not, so they may be across the runway for instance. To avoid this we need to go into Gurney's editor and reset the airfields we use to all have the same orientation in targets.dat so the standard building layout will work... later on we can simply add new field layouts at individual sites as we want, but this way we get our standard field quickly in all sites... because it is a relatively small theatre it shouldn't be too much trouble to make minor adjustments to each site to place it nicely in a field on the terrain tile.

cheers,


Pobs

OK...got it Pobs....we're on the same flight m8..

Use gurneys editor to reset the airfields to the same
orientation in the targets.dat, to keep everything together..
thereby getting our modded fields quickly into all sites and
placed in a nice position on the terrain tile.


this will help move things along big time.....

best

ade

A big thanks to Ralf for his sharp work on the FM's
for the Fokker DVII, DVIIF and SE5a, they're are
all working nicely in the updated 1.28c_MP version
of Western Front..

Flyright's Spad XVI skinned up for RFC and USAS
in the Temp slot and Spad XIII of 94th Aero Squadron
No.1 Hat in the Ring - Eddie Rickenbacker.....P47D slot.

1000 Spad XVI's were sent to Europe in Jan 1918 most
ending up in French Escadrilles, but some to the RFC
and USAS squads.

Thanks Alan for all your good work M8...







pics taken in 1.2 version....1.28c does not have the
same ability for close ups....

Hi Ade

The Western Front seems to come together nicely!

And those Spad skins are excellent!

Cheers

...thank you!!!

that one was a summer teaser with this one for the escadrille, also just sent to TWF...

Dare I ask, but will we have any 24bit MS sets available for WW1?

And no, I'm not asking Mike.

Richthofen´s Flying Circus as Multiskins would be nice, indeed

Hi Fran Zee.

That was the thought that started off the Nulti Skin Project, but where would find info for 16 WWI skins?

Hi Ade,

very nice skins(as usual ).

To get the close up views in EAW1.28, you need to set the resolution to something else than 1024x768(1280x1024 for example).
You also can pause the game and use the free camera view (ctrl F12 or shift F12 by default). With this you can move even inside the plane.









Greetings,

Knegel

Very nice screen Ralf, but a Me262 shadows??

Just loaded the WIP fokker skin, no corrent fm etc.

good eye, col.

i missed first time, myself.

Col where are you at on that damn Dr1??? i might try to do the missing camel this summer, so is that enough time??? to finish yours and get Ade to fiiiiiiiinally release this TWF!!!

g'day Per...feel like gettin' into WW1
stuff m8..could do with a man of your
talents...

thanks for the close up view info Ralf...
have the right shadow in the skin files
for the DVII.....

Dr1 and a Camel would be bloody lovely
blokes...

Hi,

realy strange, we already have many prototypes and other seldom planes, but not two of the most important WWI fighters. Looks like there is a little coordination missing, eh?

Iam realy looking forward to this addon.

Greetings,

Knegel

Hi Ralf.

It's not a question of coordination, just a simple matter of skill level, building new 3dz's. Despite trying to pass on my knowledge, I'm still surprised nobody has been able to build a completely new models from scratch.

Also, the Dr1 project would have been finished ages ago if the scale of the Bi-planes would have been agreed a long time ago. I did not know when I laid out the basic model of the Dr1, that the scale of all of Jan's models were about 25% bigger than EAW standard. All these things, plus real life hostilities, have not helped.



Since I sent the last version to Ade, I've corrected the wingspan, hence there is no right wing.

Courage under fire Gibbo...you seem to
possess quite a bit of it from what I
read.



Ralf

Here's the current list of completed planes
and some stuff that needs doing.....

Spit 1 slot - Camel pending
Spit 9 slot - Camel pending
Spit 14 slot - Se5a*
Hurri slot - Nieuport 17 RFC
Typhoon slot - Spad VII RFC
Tempest slot - Spad XVI RFC/rear gun
Mossie slot - Spad XVI Armee d' Militaire

P51B slot - Nieuport 16/17
P51D slot - Nieuport 28/ SE5a
P38H slot - Nieuport 24
P38J slot - Morane Saulnier N12
P47C slot - Spad VII
P47D slot - Spad XIII
B24 slot - Spad XVI USAS/rear gun
B26 slot - Salmson 2A2/rear gun
B17 slot - Handley Page*

109E slot - Albatros DII/III/V
109G slot- Fokker DrI triplane wip
109K slot - Pfalz D III
110C slot - Albatros C III/rear gun **
110G slot - Halberstadt CLII /rear gun **
410 slot - Oeffag D.III Ba.253
190A slot- Albatros DVa
190D slot - Albatros DrI triplane
262 slot - Fokker DVII* - radial engine sound
Ju88A slot - Albatros CIII/rear gun
Ju88C slot - Halberstadt CLII blue/rear gun
ju87 slot - Aviatik CI/rear gun
He111 slot - Gotha pending
V1 slot - Zeppelin*

* No damage model yet.
** rear cabin guns not working..

Also ralf, I notice when a plane is shot down over water,
when it hits the deck, it skids along the water on fire
but does'nt crash, is there a fix for this?

ade

looks like the DR1 is back on to recovery...

heres a 3dz/camo for the typhoon slot with a winggun which supposedly the lewis was to wieldy for dogfigthing but good for trenchfighting...


Ade i'll send it to you if you might need it???

Yep..send it over Al...can certainly use it..
thanks

ade

Is that a revised Se5a?

I've been looking all over for a SPAD 2 seater 3 view drawing for a project. Is there one out there anywhere? I quit looking over a month ago.

Thanks in advance! Much appreciated!

Col??? maybe check whats assigned in Ades typhoon slot or are you trying to give me a 3dz inferiority complex, LOL!...and thats right! theres no XVI diagrams, just my educated eyeballing from artwork, museum pics, etc. what you can do instead, since the ac is available at sandbaggers, can view the wireframe 3dzs in 3dzStudio and take screenpics...the detail is as close as possible considering its only meant for eaw - cheers!

Hey, calm down FlyRight. I'm very happy to see the model revamped, if that Spad is based on my Se5a. Either way it looks very good.

now am confused? nothings been revamped Col! check in at sandbagger wwi page then, all the spad modifications have been there for a while, just these unreleased camos i did that ade recently reminded me about...other than a good excuse for rebumping this thread!

Hi FlyRight.

I just thought is looked plausible to bash the Spad out of the Se5a. It's one model I thought which might lead to others being modded out of it.

This blasted Dr1 is giving me grief. It's the shape of the top wing, and those bits of scratched canvas between the spares. Why couldn't they have just used a bit of straight wood on the trailing edge!

It just means I have to cut the top wing into several sections to make it work properly, and loads of extra work!!

unfortunately the Se5 its too painfull to shapeshift into something else or i would have tried an F2B type shape by now, the bulkhead method prevents that!!!...if i manually move any element a few nodes in any direction they start blinking at me ingame, making piggybacking pointless too...so any 3dz you do like that qurantees it an eaw original if thats any opposite consulation! seems theres always a price to pay somewheres for perfection - cheers

If you want to try finishing off one of my projects, I'll gladly send you my DH2 project. It's a really simple model, but another one of those much needed planes for WW1.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1d3ec2/n/HR_De_Havilland_DH2.zip

New brown doped scheme from Flyright..
in RFC colours...

Spad S.VII C1
Serial: B3523/5
Unit: No.23 Sqd. RFC
La Lovie airfield
Western Front
Summer 1917

Finally got the top wing to look right, and I've just dropped this screen over my drawing of the Dr1, and it seems to fit rather well.

looks good Col!!! did you make any headway with your zepplins gondola 3dzs and did they have props??? that i can borrow for the interim zeppplin...

I only got the main balloon part working, and the Dr1 is now taking up my time.

in that case i have a base 3dz to make a gondola in short order...

Hi FlyRight.

Go man go!

Exelent!

i have something of a gondola shape started but the 3dz doesn't render with my zep, even piggybacked all of the bottom elements with the same hardpoint node, matched the ini header as the zeps, i think this can't be done with mine or some visual limitation like with ground objects, i don't know? itm...

Col whenever you have time can you find out if your zep can show hanging any small 3dz as a stickon...otherwise theres no reason to continue.

but this is how it appears in studio though...

3d gondolas would be nice...with defensive guns
and props....painted them up on this one to make
em a little more distinctive.



Dr1 looking great Gibbo...

Have come up with a temporary solution for
WW1 altitudes- edited the altitude.str to random,
low, medium and none. This way nothing flies much
over 12,000'/4800m when set to medium.

Possibly for Ralf...
With 1.28c experiencing a long pause (black screen)
between activating Fly Mission and game appearing...
I suspect it's the fuel dial doing it's thing, but
it does'nt show up..is there a fix for this?

Also downed planes are skidding along the ground and
the water ... but not crashing??

Hi Ade.

The 1024 D exe has a working fuel gauge.

Hi FlyRight.

You need to make the gondoliers as two separate 3dz's, and hardpoint them to the main balloon. The props, then in turn need to be hardpointed to the gondoliers, to make everything work. You can't simply piggyback everything, as it just will not work. I know, if you can piggyback a model, you can build the model properly.

Sorry John- but I could not resist



No props needed! Just give the guys big long poles.
As Iron Mike says- "If all else fails, punt."

Jel

i did hardpoint gondolas, read again! specifically as A.3dz and B.3dz or else you would only see one attachment in studio as a repeditive 3dz, i guess the screen pic doesn't show up at you end??? no point in doing props at this stage...

With some advice from Jel, have managed to get the
fuel dial working in 1.28c, BUT as it's dependant
on resolution settings which also (I have just discovered)
affect cockpit views, I won't be including it in Western
Front....soooo a black screen for 10 seconds before jumping
into the game......Worth a try tho'...

Gibbo...

not sure if this is any help to you at this stage,
but just noticed the wing on the DVII has similar
extended top wing elevators to the Dr1....

Hi Ade.

I got things sorted in the end.



I'm now on the middle wing, which has this big cutout just before the root.

Taking great shape.....

...i can see getting a Fokker DVIII (E.V) from that too

this started out only as a cursory experiment recycling your HP but doeable in time, can you say GOTHA...

Hi FlyRight.

Don't know how the props will render behind the engines, and not in front, and moving the gear to below the engines, but the rest looks do able.

Tonight's Dr1 update.

Nice, Gibbo.