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So I decided to play GTA V

Posted By: DBond

So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 05:06 PM

....And loved it

I had just spent the past couple of months playing Gary Grigsby's War in the East religiously. If you know that game you'll know it's a massive, complex grand operational war game. After playing two German and one Russian grand campaign I was in need of a momentous gaming shift. I needed to buy a new game that was like as far removed from operational wargaming as I could find. Spent a few days on Steam, and GOG and Googling 'best PC games' looking for inspiration.

One recurring thought was 'something like GTA'. Despite enjoying games like the Witcher and Dragon Age, third person games aren't my thing. I will play them if the game is great, but I much prefer first person. I might rate Witcher 3 as the best game of all time, so I'm glad I play them. But first person allows me to become far more immersed in the character I am playing. Just a preference sorta thing.

I hadn't played any GTA game since San Andreas, and that was back in 2004, and even then I probably didn't play more than a few hours before moving on. I didn't grab me.

So back to two weeks ago... Unable to find a game that really lit my fire I had a look at GTA 5. Oh that's right...they added first person. I wonder....

On hell with it, it's only $30 and if I hate it no big deal.

But I really enjoyed it. The gunplay, the car chases, running from the cops. The radio, the funny ads, all of the satire. The heists.

And the city of Los Santos. Seriously, a wonderful game world.

I can't remember a game I've played that made me laugh so much.

That was thirty bucks well spent. Not everything was great. I was no fan of Trevor. Despite it being a GTA game and knowing what that means, I still managed to find him repulsive and repugnant, and maybe too far over the top, but he's just one of the characters. Actually, none of the characters really clicked for me, but what did click was me becoming these characters (first person yay!).

So what's the deal with GTA online? Sh!t show? I can't imagine it's anything but. Still, I liked the story mode so much I kinda want to give it a go. But I suspect my enthusiasm would be dashed within minutes of venturing online. Yeah, the game is 5 years old, and didn't even run all that well for me. 170 fps, but with micro stutters that I never did completely eradicate. But it's a wild ride with an amazing gameworld, and really funny.
Posted By: WangoTango

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 05:11 PM

170 fps is not running good ?

I think the online is still very popular. It's still top 5 on Steam.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 05:15 PM

Not with the stutters. I was able to reduce this significantly through tweaking, but not completely. And for a five year old game on a fast modern box I would say not running well. But acceptable. It's just that stutter at 130 MPH on the Los Santos freeway isn't good smile
Posted By: Force10

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
Not with the stutters. I was able to reduce this significantly through tweaking, but not completely. And for a five year old game on a fast modern box I would say not running well. But acceptable. It's just that stutter at 130 MPH on the Los Santos freeway isn't good smile


Does it stutter if you turn on Vsync?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 05:35 PM

Actually no I did not. Perhaps I should! Maybe it's running too fast?

The advice I read about stuttering said to turn vsynch off in game (which I did) but on in the nvidia panel (which I never did do)
Posted By: Master

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 05:50 PM

GTA:O was fun but it is a huge grind fest and it is full of people who will troll you.

There is a way to play in a private session though with just friends and that is a lot of fun or to just cruise around by yourself having fun exploring. A lot of the online features only work in public sessions though and that is a real shame because public sessions will give you cancer faster than microwaving your dick.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 07:03 PM

Yeah I had read that online pricing is insane, and so you need to grind the money to afford it. Not a put-off in of itself, I do play Elite Dangerous after all smile

But no appeal in having progress erased by internet psychopaths who just affix a sticky bomb to the new car you played weeks to afford. There's insurance and all, but still.

And with the game being so old now, I doubt I'd find a group of friends wanting to play. I think I'll pop in and see what's what. I don't expect to find a great time, but nothing ventured...I suppose ya never know (but can take an educated guess). Not in to pick-up crews, so not sure there's really much for me in GTA:O.

I wasn't expecting to like the game as much as I did, nor to be as impressed as I was with the game world. Just looking for a little more content and since there is no SP DLC, online is my last option.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 07:24 PM

I play it online now and again, but mostly I like the Stunt Races and making my own in the editor. I think I have made over 50 by now
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by KRT_Bong
I play it online now and again


Is it more fun or more frustrating for you?

Ya know what this game is missing? Grand theft of autos. I mean seriously, why is there no mechanic for me to steal and sell hot cars? Actually, the whole stealing cars thing was a bit of a letdown. Too easy, too little consequence. I could extend my playtime drastically with a more fleshed out system with more danger, and more reward for nicking supercars.The Simeon arc starts down this road but it is over as soon as you crash through the plate glass.
Posted By: Master

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 08:13 PM

There are a bunch of online missions for stealing cars from your run of the mill cars to very high end cars.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 08:54 PM

GTA V is cpu intensive, are you on a older system ?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 09:27 PM

It's a 6700K Skylake , 1070, 16 gigs 'o RAM

I guess others don't get this stuttering?

Thanks Master, that's what I want to do smile
Posted By: Master

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/21/19 09:40 PM

You can play MOST of the regular online missions by yourself in a closed session. Only some of the bigger missions require help and some of the bigger stuff like heists and etc require a full crew first.

You are still going to be grinding before you can do the missions you want as you have to open the mission givers first but to be fair the first parts of GTAO are pretty fun. its not until you are trying to grind out a few millions that it becomes an issue.
Posted By: HitchHikingFlatlander

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/22/19 01:45 AM

Now I'm somewhat biased since I've been a fan from the old top down 2D version, but this really is a great series. The developer understands how to put out a top notch entertainment product that is superior to any other open world game. I love the feel of the world and how every aspect meshes together into one seamless experience. The online feature while having some drawbacks is great game mode that offers its own unique experiences.

I still play here and there so if you or anyone wants to get together online let me know.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/22/19 02:03 PM

I might just take you up on that, My first time in GTAO was not good. Here's how it went.

Clicked Online and was treated to a long loading screen after which it told me I had yet to create a character, so another loading screen and then to character creation. Threw together one that sorta looks like the dude married to Nicole Kidman. Then was taken to the game opening where you're introduced to a few mechanics. After a brief introduction with Lamar I have to choose a car for a race. I chose the Surge, which as I might have guessed (but didn't) was electric. Which means no cool engine sounds and that won't do. But it had the best acceleration, which I thought would be good in a street race. It was and I won the race easily.

First I am made to go buy some exorbitantly priced clothes and am then tasked with tracking down some gang members to take their stash of less than legal party favors. A shootout ensues against a bunch of NPCs which is pretty easy, but I notice the drugs have jumped in a car and I'm off in my soundless Surge (is this thing on?). Tracked them down and ended up shooting out the tires. Banger bailed and I gunned him down in the street, grabbed the drugs and delivered them to one of Lamar's friends for $500.

Knowing I will probably be killed soon after being dumped in to the game world I pull out the phone and deposit some of my money in the bank so I don't lose it when I die, After a series of messages telling me al of the things I can do I am tasked with stealing a car to be my main hoopty for the early parts of the game I guess. Whichever car you take to the custom shop will get free insurance and a tracker so I can find it when it's stolen. So set off in my silent Surge looking for a good car. Except in online there are a lot more types of cars, but far fewer just sitting around waiting to be nicked and some of them are rank-locked

At this point my enthusiasm is already taking a hit. On the right side of the screen is the text chat. It''s basically endless variations of "who's the modder?" From what I've read there are a lot of hackers in GTAO and it seems I've landed with one in my first server. Undaunted I start driving around Los Santos looking for a likely mark to make my ride. Players are shown on the minimap as dots, so you can see where they are. I just tried to keep my distance at first. On the left side of the screen a steady roll of players killed ticks by. So I can see that it's just mayhem. Deathmatch essentially. No one seems to be doing anything other than killing each other. One guy dies, then another, then four all at once as they kill each other, probably in an explosion.

I get a message to go Los Santos Customs after stealing my car. But I decided to stop by, see what options there were, and then continue my car search. But then I see for this first visit stuff is free, but I don't want to make the Surge my main ride. So I alt-F4 out and more long loading screens.
Back in I finally I locate an Ocelot. This was one of my favorite cars in story mode, and one of my characters hit 146 MPH in it, so I was psyched to get it and find it wasn't rank locked. I drive it to the custom shop to see it's not the F260 that I thought it was and it's some other Ocelot car. Alt-F4 and begin again. Now I have no car at all and am on foot, and players are in helos. Gunships really.

I find a parking deck, which are great places to find cars of course and I begin climbing the decks in search. A message

Hello dbond, your Uber awaits at the top of the parking garage.

Un oh, I've been noticed.

I want nothing to do with it and as I look out the sides of the deck I see a helo in a perfect hover watching me. I climb a deck. He ascends likewise. As I reach the top deck he lands and I get in. Yeah. Well I did and he takes off and we fly across the city and he land at the Vinewood sign. I get out and stop to admire the panoramic vista of the city below. The pilot also gets out and he's a clown. Literally. Green hair. Uh oh, clowns are never good. He pulls out a machete. I pull my fists. Doh. I then pull my starting pistol and shoot him in the face, but he doesn't die. I do from the machete chop.

:"Sorry, I had to do it"

yeah right D-bag.

So I respawn. In the same spot. Seriously? The clown is back in his helo and I try to run away but he chops me up with his rotor blades.

"Sorry, I had to do it"

Homey don't play dat.

What was that that Master had said? You can play MOST of the regular online missions by yourself in a closed session? How to actually do this is not very obvious, but eventually I work out how to start a private server. At this point I am still in need of a car. But now I have no D-bags to trip me up. So I alt-tab so I can do a quick search for opinions on good starter cars. After like four minutes I hop back in to be told I've been idle too long and it reloads the server, but public and once again I am surrounded by sociopaths. What the hell, maybe this server is better. I steal a crap car and evade the cops and begin looking for my new car. I'm driving along and suddenly a message appears that I have invited me to my apartment, long load screen and when I come out of it I am just a camera, nothing else, and am in a hail of gunfire, I assume from a helo. More hackers. Good grief.

So I reload again in a private server and find a car. It's a black coupe, like a 3-series BMW. Take it to the custom shop, then run a couple of missions like bounty hunting. I've played for a little more than two hoursand accomplished little aside from being a hacker or clown victim. What fun.

Still, the solo server stuff gives me more content, but it's a shame that folks can't play this in the right spirit, it's just deathmatch, everyone killing everyone over and over. Not what I want. If I keep at it I can at least develop my character and if I go back in public at least not be equipped like a noob. But my first experience sucked. Once I get some stuff I would be interested in joining HHF and anyone else here that might get the itch to get back in to this game. But public PvP is a complete sh!t show based on last night.




Posted By: Chucky

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/22/19 02:24 PM

DBond,I wanted GTA V just to play online but you just described exactly why I have resisted it every time I see it on sale.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/22/19 02:50 PM

Well then let's start our own group smile

There's fun to be had here, but not in PvP it seems. I knew that already, but I still held out hope that things would be different. Recently I made a post here and the uptake was that people suck. Cant recall what I was talking about, but the sentiment is universal, innit? At this point I plan to level up my dude and get some stuff. If anyone's interested in getting something going I'm in.

I'll do a little more private server stuff today. See if I can gain some bank, and get a good weapon. I want to play public, but I hit 100% hacker rate last night and that will not do.
Posted By: Ajay

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/23/19 01:06 PM

I play The Crew 2 for my arcadey madness fun kick. Sometimes i wish it had the option to get out and do a bit of run and gun and some better upgrade options but for an hour of crazy touring car action with friends it's just straight up good fun.
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/23/19 01:24 PM

For my quick action/madness fix I just play Rainbow Six: Siege. smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/23/19 01:44 PM

My son plays Crew 2 on the PS4 and has a blast. He plays Forza Horizon 4 too which I got him for Christmas (but on XBox One, he is spoiled)

I played more GTAOSwE (Grand Theft Auto Online Solo with Exceptions) yesterday. Trying to build up some rank and cash and kit. Managed to get to rank 6 which unlocked a lot of stuff and I can play golf now smile

The exceptions are the fact that even though I am in a private server alone, I can at any time choose a mission and the matchmaking fills the spots with other players and I did that a few times. But once the mission is over it reverts to my private server so I can roam freemode in peace. Had a few really good missions with the dudes I was matched with. So that works pretty well and is sort of a hybrid SP/MP way to enjoy this game.

Aside from a few of these co-op missions, the main way I've leveled so far is bounty hunting (there are only a few, and I managed to accidentally kill one of the targets which cost me ten grand), stealing and selling cars and robbing liquor stores. That's fine for now but sooner or later I'm gonna need a crew to run some of the better missions.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/23/19 03:53 PM

so the Online game is a bit of a grind especially as a lone wolf, but essentially it gives you prompts for everything from your criminal contacts (which you can turn most of off after a while). Once you get to a certain level and filled bank account you can purchase businesses from which you can run your criminal enterprise that includes car theft missions of high end iron, which makes the most money quickly at first so it's a great start, you have to become a CEO (only the most expensive rides should be sold the rest just sit in your special chop shop garage). Many times there are special events which earn you double, Stunt Races, Death Matches, Arena Races etc you can access custom content made in the editor by going to the Social Club webpage or if someone puts them up in game. My in game name is KurtBong, add me and you can find my Stunt Races as well as others by bookmarking them and then pulling them up in game. I'm not sure but I think you have to reach level 100 before you have access to certain weapons/jobs but they removed a lot of restrictions a while back. I have been seeing a lot of new players of low rank so if you can find a few to run missions with it can help you and yes, unfortunately there are some menu users still about and they usually can be detected in game by finding random weird objects show up in odd places, I just find a new session, however if there is no one in the session your missions have way more NPC's attacking you than if there are a few randoms around. The game prompts you to attack each others jobs but I usually leave them alone as long as they do the same.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/23/19 04:21 PM

Thanks Bong! Good to have an experienced player around. I'm a long way from level 100. Making money has been slow. I have about 100 grand now from my shady shenanigans. I somehow lost 54,000 though. I have six $9,030 charges on my bank account. The only thing I see that sells for that amount is the extended mag for the marksman rifle, a weapon which I bought. I also bought six 'boxes' of ammunition. But it looks like I got charged the extended mag price instead of the 100 bucks the rounds should have cost. Bummer. It's possible I screwed up, but if I actually bought the x-mag my rifle would hold 16 rounds instead of the 8 it does. Not sure what happened, but that's a big loss at this stage.

What goals should a new player be looking to reach? I'm thinking a garage first to get the Elegy or whatever it's called.

I became a VIP but don't know how to benefit from that at this point. Are there any jobs there that I could do solo without matchmaking?

What's menu user? Is that another term for a hacker? One server I joined it was snowing. Is that a dead giveaway?

I'm sorta in limbo as I am running out of the easy solo missions and liquor store robberies don't pay much. I do them more for the rank. Stealing cars is fun, but not much money there and you can only do one per day. I can call Simeon, but the 'request job' is locked. How do I start getting his repossession missions?

If you are ever up for hooking up to complete some of the co-op jobs let me know. I don't trust any of the fools I've been running in to.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/23/19 07:31 PM

I think I'll have a look at the contact missions. I was trying to get these by calling the dude or waiting for them to contact me but I see I have to go in to the Jobs section. These look to be a good way to make quick rep and cash, but at level 6 there are only a few open to me I think.

Found this today. Old news for vets, but for anyone like me just starting out there is some good info here, though perhaps some if it may be out of date?

GTA Online Mega Guide

After reading stuff today I think maybe i should forgo the starter garage and go straight for a luxury apartment. I can have 200 grand by tonight so that seems to be the best bet. I get a safehouse plus a garage.

I also see conflicting info on whether PC players get the free Elegy (Nissan GT-R). Perhaps it's been changed a time or two. I'll find out once I buy something with some garage space.

Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/25/19 01:54 PM

Those contact missions are the way to go. Most take about 5 minutes and net decent cash and cred. The grind was mentioned earlier and so far it's not been a problem at all. Compared to other grindy games, like Elite for example, GTA is a lightweight. Some things are really overpriced, like clothing. But other stuff, like cars and properties are quite reasonable.I've been playing online for just a few days and already have a pretty good ride (the free Elegy/GT-R), a good arsenal and a luxury high-rise apartment complete with a 10-car garage and a view of the beach and the golf course smile I like playing the golf in this game so I set up shop right next to the course. It's a trendy address.

As a KBM player I've grown accustomed to the controls, the combat and land vehicles are no trouble. But I just can't fly well with a keyboard setup, especially the fixed-wing stuff. Gotta get a controller. I have Dual Shocks and XBox One controllers in the house. Which way to go? The XB1 would be plug and play but the Dual Shock requires some additional software? Would my Cougar work with GTA? Would there be any issue in having a controller set up just for aircraft, but use the KB+M for the rest?

The hybrid way of playing the game is great. I can control how much I am in with other players and how much I am in a private server. The mix works well and eliminates the frustration of griefers and D-bags. I would play in public free mode more if the dots were gone. If there was a setting where the markers for the players were eliminated it would go a long way toward making it more fun.

The additional content is awesome. I didn't think I'd get very far playing public, and after the initial exposure that proved true. If there were no way to play privately I would have given up already I think. Public free mode is the sh!t can, the lowest common denominator. With all of the hackers on top of it it's pretty bad. But being able to play in peace, and occasionally choose to join others for various missions works really well.

Eventually I will want to try the heists, but for that I need help. So if anyone is interested in hooking up and making serious fooking paper let me know biggrin There's no way I am going to try that with randoms online.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/25/19 02:09 PM

#%&*$# DBond, now I feel I missed out.
I did buy this on steam last autumn but when trying to start the game I was forced to join some retarded club to be allowed to use the game I just payed for and old and bitter as I am that was a no go and I did a refund.
Been watching the kids play this on playstation for years and thought it could be something casual when not having the effort for flight sims despite having trouble with controls on the kids PS but hoped KBM would solve that for me.

Reading your always detailed reports here makes me think it could have been what I hoped it to be.

Anyhow, please carry on - I'm reading with a smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/25/19 02:31 PM

Oden my man, how's things?

It's not too late, we can rob banks and cause mayhem together ya know. thumbsup

Base jump off buildings, race motorcycles, steal drugs from local gangs and cruise the streets in our rocketsleds.

Yeah,, that's Rockstar's Social Club you're talking about. It's required on PC to sign up, but it does net you a few goodies, like the free GT-R, and there are some tie-ins to RDR 2. I just registered and that's it. Log-in is automatic and not intrusive at all.

I've done it all with no micro-transactions. I just bought the base game and that's it. Sometimes the game is bundled with a 'Shark Card', which is a way to pay real money for GTA cash, but as I found it's just a shortcut and progression in the game is fine without spending any additional cash.

I was reading some articles about GTA 5. It is the highest-grossing entertainment thing ever. Not franchise, but as a single release nothing has ever made more money, films included. They've also made 500 million in microtransactions alone and sold 90 million copies of the game. Good grief.

There was one player on a forum who said he has bought $3,000 in Shark Cards. SMDH.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/25/19 04:34 PM

Would love to do that and I'm sure we'd have a blast but you 'mericans need to buy a new useful timezone!

/runs-in-circles-mumbling-swedish
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/25/19 05:49 PM

This is true, as we have learned in Falcon. Svedenland is not well-placed honestly. It should be closer, but that's obvious.

But it all comes in to alignment on Sundays, don't ya know?

See here's the thing. As I said, sooner, or maybe later, I want to run the heists. For the cash money see? And if you complete them all, in order, and with the same crew you get an extra 10 mil. That's a lot of paper. So in order to cash in on this I need to get a crew together. So let's say there were three others beside me here who wanted to play GTA Online instead of endlessly discuss politics, movies and celebrities... just thinking out loud.... we could get together once a week on Sundays and get this done. Or just play golf or race jetskis...hang out at the strip club smoking ganja... just stop by the Richards Majestic, apartment 51 smile I'll host and even pay for the heist

But yeah, I know with times zones and the game being old and not everyone's cuppa, that I will not be successful in this quest. I don't want to play with randoms, but folks here so we can discuss it later over champagne and strippers. What's not to like. I'm just level 20 at this point, so a complete noob. Come noob it up with me

Apply within
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/25/19 06:03 PM

Yes, the Ellegy is free but you have to have a garage or a house/apt, you can own a few of those and Bennie's does a retro customized version as well. You will hemorrhage cash all the time for various "services" and it used to be you'd pay Insurance on player personal vehicles you destroy although that was shut down because hackers had figured out a way to weaponize it and what we used to call hacking is now a paid for in game menu that one can buy to cheat in game.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/25/19 07:07 PM

Thanks, yes I bought an apartment and have the 10-slot garage and got the Elegy. A yellow one at that. It's quick and handles great. Really good car to have for free. My first car was a Sentinel, which was pretty OK, especially in the city. But top end was barely over 80 mph and that was too slow if I happened to be being chased on the freeway. So the upgrade to the Elegy once I bought my digs was a big bump in cop evasion ability.

The menu users just ruin it. I've been reading about it and how Take Two is going after these guys with the legal hammer. And how so many people are moaning about it. Boo hoo we can't mod. I expected a sh!t show in public but it easily surpassed my expectations. Really bad. That's why I need a crew and they can join my private server whenever I am on. And right now that's every night. East coasters would be particularly good. Well anywhere this side of Svendenland biggrin

The first heist is a two-man job right? Only need one more gangsta to run that one. But I'd be up for just about anything that doesn't include me piloting or stunt racing.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/28/19 02:47 PM

Having cleared the mountain of applications to play GTAO with me off my desk I realize I am about 4 years too late. Well the offer stands if anyone gets the itch. I really need 3 regulars, but looks like I will be spending more time with random fools. Actually, it's a mixed bag. I've had some really good runs with some random players, and had some turn out not well at all. That's the trouble, ya just never know and it's rather inefficient, to invest the time and have it all go titsup because the dude bails or gets killed in the opening seconds. I'm no GTA expert myself, but coordination helps a lot and a regular crew will get that down.

Hit rank 31, so decent progress, though ranks are unlimited and looks like there are players over rank 1000, so I am still a neophyte in the GTAO world. I've managed to gain a nice apartment in a luxury highrise complete with a huge garage, big screen TV and a bowl of fruit. Have three cars (GT-R knockoff (free), 3-series BMW knockoff (stolen) and a Grotti Carbonizarre, which looks mostly like a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta with maybe some Aston Martin styling thrown in. That one I bought with cash money. When I was just a low level street thug I dreamed of owning a Ferrari and now that I'm rollin' in it I splashed the cash. I also bought a street bike, an Akuma as it's called. Super inexpensive and very fast, but until I work out a controller, riding bikes is a bit of a mess on the kB+M.

Because I am playing strictly in first person, the cockpit view is very important. A high seat/low dash sort of arrangement works best and means some cars jut won't do. Especially muscle cars with the long bonnets.

A typical day starts with a round of golf, which is right around the corner from my digs. It's a 9-hole course and I play twice for 18. Usually shoot high-60s, shot a 66 yesterday. Golf is fun in GTA. From there I spend the day running missions like stealing cars, assassinations and retrieving various items for rich people. I also look for the Gang Attacks and get in to some combat. Maybe stop by the custom shop and add the latest unlocked mod, stop by the shooting range for a match against some random dude online, or just go for a cruise and rip through the streets at insanely high speeds.

One fun thing to do is hang out in the apartment where I am safe and watch the mayhem of the other players on the streets below. One rather entertaining helicopter dogfight took place right outside my window yesterday. People are nuts....
Posted By: WangoTango

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/28/19 03:25 PM

Are you driving with the keyboard ? I found that very difficult, too twitchy.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/28/19 03:50 PM

I am yes. I've gotten good with it. Not ideal, but certainly good enough. Have even won a few races online.

But for flying I need a controller. I tried getting a USB Dual Shock to work. I downloaded the DS4 Windows program which is supposed to make it work, but I failed and not sure how to get it working. At first it said device working properly, but seconds later it went to unrecognized and it no longer even makes the USB connect/disconnect tones. Not sure what to do.

Not a big console guy and maybe it has something to do with the controller being synched to my son's PS4. Perhaps a new controller would work. I have no idea really. But until I get some sort of analog control, flying is too difficult. I can manage in helos, but planes are a #%&*$#.
Posted By: Coot

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/28/19 06:38 PM

These games are really designed for use with a controller. I'm a big PC guy but I still have a wireless Xbox 360 PC controller as its the only choice for some games in my opinion. I still play all the older games like Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Hidden and Dangerous 2 and so on with mouse and keyboard as that's the only way to play and what they were designed for but some of these newer games are designed centered around a controller. Newer stealth games like the Styx series or the newer Tom Clancy titles benefit from a controller too. The controller gives you that slow analog movement control that you need. One of those will be perfect for a third person game where there's also driving and flying. However not every game gets the shooting mechanics, inputs and sensitives right with a controller either. Its rare to find a game that makes a controller intuitive and accurate across the board. I think a controller would really help you in this game DBond. Hopefully you can get that controller working. If not, the Xbox 360 controller is probably one of the best and its been invaluable to many of my PC games.
Posted By: DM

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/29/19 09:14 AM

I bought a hard copy of GTA5 but was unable to get it to work through my poor iNet connection, so I purloined a cracked version for me to play solo on my own machine, which was always what I wanted to do. It's a great game, I'm an explorer by heart and my way to enjoy this game is to explore everything that I can. The game engine is very robust and difficult to fool smile

I don't have any qualms using a cracked version given I have the hard copy (with map) on my shelf, but it does mean I've been unable to play any online version of this. Not a great loss for me, but I do see that other people have a scream playing it.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/29/19 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by theOden
#%&*$# DBond, now I feel I missed out.
I did buy this on steam last autumn but when trying to start the game I was forced to join some retarded club to be allowed to use the game I just payed for and old and bitter as I am that was a no go and I did a refund.
Been watching the kids play this on playstation for years and thought it could be something casual when not having the effort for flight sims despite having trouble with controls on the kids PS but hoped KBM would solve that for me.

Reading your always detailed reports here makes me think it could have been what I hoped it to be.

Anyhow, please carry on - I'm reading with a smile


Rockstar Social Club isn't what you think, it's where you keep your friends list and it allows you to join on said friends. On the webpage for it is how I share my content that I make in the editor. And as an interface anytime there is some major update to get rid of hackers you have to sign in through it.
It has been a part of every online Rockstar Game for a while now

Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/29/19 06:48 PM

Ah ok.
But I don't have friends so maybe it's a no issue biggrin

I'll give this another go and join you this weekend DBond.
Maybe Coot, DM and "KRT not Kurt" too will join us!
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/29/19 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Coot
I think a controller would really help you in this game DBond.


There's no doubt. Hoping I can get it working. Maybe I should just order a XBox controller and be done with it.

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I'll give this another go and join you this weekend DBond.


Oh man, it's on now. Los Santos will never be the same smile

We can get you ranked up in short order, If you want to give it a go before then, this is how I start an Invite Only online session. Feel free to join public, but I'd recommend ranking up a bit first.

I start GTA to story mode. Once that loads, hit Escape click Online, and click play GTA Online. Double click actually and that will drill down to additional options like Solo, Friend Only, Invite Only. Solo is limited, but the other two are good. Actually I've only used Invite. Double click this and you are in GTA Online with no one else. Some missions with matchmake, but you are free to roam the gameworld, steal cars, rob stores, run missions, practice at the range and lots of other stuff. And you'll be ranking up as well. Be sure to set it to free aim (if you want/use a mouse) to get a 25% bonus to rank points

If you want to run missions, hit Escape, click Online then Jobs, Play Jobs, then Rockstar Created and finally Missions. More missions unlock with each new rank level, and there are only a couple available from Rank 5. But these are a good way to make money and gain rank, some easier than others. The ones to steal cars are good, and often you don't fire a shot. Just steal the car, evade the law and get the car to the dealership. Counterintuitively, the longer you take to do them, the more they pay. If you wait the full 15 minutes they pay the most. This way you can make 10-15k every 10 or 15 minutes and gain ranks quickly. If one were grinding, you'd try to do them one after the other every 4 minutes for the best money/minute. But I just take my time, make as much as I can and move on to a different thing.

If you play a bit before Sunday you'll get a car, some cash and weapons and maybe an apartment, garage and more. One of those Shark Cards can catch you up quick, but I am not recommending it.

Looking forward to it Oden, this will be a lot of fun. Quite a departure from evading SAMs over Belgrade isn't it? biggrin




Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/30/19 03:11 PM

Oden, once you are registered let me know what your gamertag is and I will add you in the Social Club. And anyone else that wants to join. We are going to give this a go on Sunday, not sure what time, but probably early afternoon eastern. I'll wait to hear from O.D (sounds street :)) and see when he is available. I envision this as an open SimHQ server, no requirement to join others in their shenanigans. But it's not a griefer's paradise, there are plenty of public servers to get your groove on if indiscriminate killing is your bag.

The main reason I want to get this going is to get a crew together to run the heists. So hopefully we can eventually get four of us, that are team and goal oriented, to run these and rake in the long dollars. Earlier I said that if you do the heists in order, with the same crew you get 10 million. But it actually is that, plus no deaths to get that big money. There is also a bonus for the first time you do a heist. So this should mean some really good money for those who take part. The first heist doesn't pay well, but it has no up-front costs to the host and only requires two bangers to run it.

Bonuses are like this:

First time - $100,000 (first try)
All in order - $1,000,000 (in order)
Loyalty - $1,000,000. (same crew)
Criminal Mastermind - $10,000,000. (all the above and no deaths)

For the first session at least though I suspect we'll just be feeling it out. Missions, golf, cruising, whatever. Just have fun and rip sh!t up. Make sure things go smoothly and work out any kinks. Struggling to figure out a good PTT solution. No four-way radio switch in my GTA setup biggrin Hoping to avoid open mic. What do others do? Thinking of one of the side buttons on my mouse that I never use for anything.

My tag in game is (edit: PM me). I will change it once I think of something sufficiently cool and street. Address is Richards Majestic apartment 51. Just ring the bell. I've set my stuff to be accessible to friends and crew. Don't steal my stuff.

If you're new, I'd recommend working towards an apartment. They are 100% not necessary. But it gives you a safe house, and a safe place to spawn. If it's one of the high-end ones you get the ability to hosts heists (has the planning board). But the main reason to get one (or simply a garage, even the two-car one) is so you can get the free Elegy RH8 sports car. It's easily one of the best performing cars in the game and great to have early and for free.

Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/30/19 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by theOden
Ah ok.
But I don't have friends so maybe it's a no issue biggrin

I'll give this another go and join you this weekend DBond.
Maybe Coot, DM and "KRT not Kurt" too will join us!

Funny thing is that I had so many people call me Kurt that I made my in game name KurtBong biggrin
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/30/19 05:01 PM

It's gotta be just Bong, doesn't it? Yeah, Bong.

Are ya free Sunday Bong? I imagine you have a helicopter and a Karuma? Good pilot? Join us smile

It would be really good to have someone who has done this, do this. Less pain, more gain.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/30/19 05:03 PM

DBond you need the High End Apt to run Heists (and the Garage to keep cars). Later when you become a CEO you'll need an Office and you'll likely never set foot in your apt that much. As a CEO you'll have businesses like a car theft ring for which you'll need a Garage to keep stolen cars in and sell from, you'll also have a few other "businesses" like a Weed Farm, Meth Lab, Underground Bunkers, the list is staggering.
I'll probably be busy Sunday, isn't the Superbowl this week or is it next?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/30/19 05:05 PM

Oh I got that stuff. Well not the CEO warehouses. But the other stuff yeah. I'm good to roll. Made some good money running Sightseer yesterday.

Is this thing on? biggrin

Superbowl is this Sunday, but not until 6 right? Plenty of time.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/30/19 06:35 PM

For readers holding off GTA due to console controllers and not sure KBM will help I will now assure your it does.
Just frigging amazing!

Enter game I play the intro for the 58th time but now 1st time with mouse (and 1st person) and it was all an old bitter ArmA player needed.
Suddenly I could hit things and got so eager I ran right into a cop hiding behind a car and I got headshotted or something - had to redo this intro just like I've done on PS4 so many times but now with a smile - sooo much easier.

First car theft as the black guy was a new game for a thumb-invalido like me, holy moses so much easier - first time I delivered the bloody car with the hood still on.

So, thank you DBond and Bong for making me installing this at last (Social Club was a hassle though, seemed I had an account on my email since earlier attempts and had to reset and God knows what to get this going)

Will try to become less nooby until weekend DBond, but I can not promise anything but you'll be the boss and answer for our success biggrin

(and yes, this is some steps away from hunting SA-6 launchers over Balkans haha)
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/30/19 07:03 PM

Awesome, and I agree. First person has made the game fun for me. Especially combat, and moving during combat. Much better for me. I lose SA to a degree, a third-person player is going to see a lot more, but so what. Happy to hear you didn't hate it straight away smile

Yes, do some stuff and rank up. Get some wheels and a good weapon. Skills aren't important, but ranking up increases health, and that's vital, especially when we run heists. I had read it's 20% increase for every 10 ranks, but don't know if it's accurate.

Golf is good for rank points and increasing strength. No money in it though. Got 4350 RP for shooting a 66 yesterday. Easy points.

You'll be given a mission to bring a car to Los Santos Customs to claim your first permanent vehicle. Take your time and choose one that you think is cool. Don't be like me and drive in to LSC with a car you don't want. I started with a black Sentinel, but there are plenty to choose from. The Sabre is a popular first car, but not the best in first person, at least for me. The view is paramount if you also choose to drive in first person. So steal a bunch and try them out. You may be driving this car for a while (until you get a garage for the Elegy)

When ready to quit your session, be sure to choose 'Leave GTA Online' from the Online menu to be sure it saves your progress. It will take you back to story mode.

To avoid getting kicked for idling, bring up the internet on your phone and flip on one of the videos in the Entertainment section. Like Princess Robot Bubblegum. Some of these are really funny. That way you can go grab a drink or walk the dog or whatever and not worry about it.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/31/19 02:34 PM

Another tip for quick, mostly-easy cash. Check the Daily Objectives. Every day there are three Daily Objectives. If you complete them you get 25k. If you do this every day for a week it's a 100k, and for a month 500k. Some days an objective might be one I won't get, like kill 20 players. But other days it's cake. Like yesterday, it was join a race, blow up 10 cars and go to the shooting range. I did the blow up 10 cars by running the Blow it Up missions which meant another 25k, so 50k in less than 30 minutes, not counting the cost of the explosives smile

Access this through the interaction menu (M by default) This is one of the most important menus, you'll be using it constantly, but as a new player it isn't obvious. Here you will eat snacks (restore health), put on body armor, put on a mask (use one when robbing stores!), access CEO/VIP missions and vehicles and lots more.

Anyone know of a good resource showing car paint jobs and the colors used? It would be good to be able to respray with less experimentation (and expense!)





Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/31/19 06:34 PM

I am just full of news.... and it's mostly good

Promotion this month. Log in to GTAO every weekend in February and you'll get 250k each. So do it for the full month and that's a cool million free. So just logging in this weekend gives enough money to buy a high-end apartment. Not bad.

Buzzard Helos are 35% off right now. Lots of other discounts (brake and engine mods!), but I want me some wings.

I am going to stop by the local Staples after work and see if they have any XBox Controllers. If I leave Staples with one, I will splash some cash on a whirly-bird. That'll make getting around Sunday a bit of a hoot.
Posted By: Mark Aisthorpe

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 01/31/19 10:36 PM

If your going to get a wireless XBox controller make sure its one that comes with the Windows dongle or you wont be able to use it on your PC.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 01:49 AM

Yeah good call Mark. I am also wise in the PC ways and knew to avoid having to deal with connectivity, recharging and wondering where I put it. So I managed to snag a USB controller and it worked straight away. Staples only had a Logitech Dual Shock knock off, so I had to drive 20 minutes farther to Walmart, but they had the goods. 20 bucks, not bad.

Fired up GTA and went to Flight School and tested it out. That's better. My character's flying skills are as low as they can be, so I'll need some seat time. Rather unsteady at this stage. But once I get those skills up things should level out.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 02:40 PM

After doing the first Flight School test in the jet I exited and then hopped a security fence at the airport and stole a helicopter. Not really interested in fixed wings at this point. But i needed to see how flying helos with the controller was. This went well, though 'turbulence' is pretty bad. I thought it was my flying skill being so low, but apparently it's more to do with turbulence.

After that initial successful experiment, I bought a Buzzard attack helicopter. It's on sale at the mo (it was free at Christmas! Grrrr), And I then spent virtually the whole evening flying it around, getting the hang of it. I used it to run the Sightseer mission a few times. Easy peasy. Flying among the buildings downtown, or under bridges is good fun. Just wish it didn't wobble all over. It is exactly like being in a small boat in rough waters. Even in a hover it just bobs about. But the utility it will bring, the speed moving around the map will be a big help. Plus it's fun and imparts a certain cachet upon my character smile

In no time at all I was flying to my apartment or office and landing on the roof and then taking off to go somewhere else. The controller makes all the difference of course. Just wish I could use Track IR lol. I can actually spawn two Buzzards, so Oden can have one too.

I'm curious about the mechanics of getting a invite session going. I know how to launch the server, but the inviting and comms is a mystery, Does the in-game comms work flawlessly and automatically? I have the setting for comms as 'friends and crew' so I assume that when Oden joins my server we can talk just like that? This is why we need a grizzled GTAO vet to lead the way and make this seamless.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 02:46 PM

Do we need a backup plan like my old TS server (not sure I can get that up and running though)?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 02:56 PM

Yeah I was thinking we will use SimHQs TS at first, at least to get past any joining issues. I haven't had my mic hooked up since I was playing Elite, almost a year I think. Gotta give that some attention before Sunday.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 03:15 PM

Was peeling a friday-orange in the kitchen and it struck me we have the simHQ TS - now I see you are more awake than I am haha.
G'f'da..
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Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 04:17 PM

I'll enjoy it while it lasts smile

Oden and I might do a test this evening. If all goes well we are on for a Sunday romp. Anyone else want to get their gangsta on? Post here or PM me with your Social Club handle and I will add you. I will only add you if I know who you are so be sure to contact me about it. PC version of course.

As mentioned I see this as an open server for SimHQ members. Max is 30 players so no problems there. If you want to try/play GTAO but avoid the hackers and griefers this is the place to do it. The idea is no different really from our Falcon servers. An open server where you can do whatever you want, join others or go lone wolf. But I'll kick those who ruin it for the rest.

I've been gaming for 30+ years. I have played a lot of games. But few I have tried have the potential for pure fun that this one does when playing with friends. Oden and I are both low level, noobs really, so don't hesitate to join us even if you've never played or are low level yourself. Aside from the fun, payouts and rewards are increased when playing with friends/crew so you'll rank and get rich faster as well.

But we need to get it working first.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 04:51 PM

There is a way to have a session to yourself for at least a little while. One person disconnects his internet for a moment and ends up in a solo session, he then invites everyone to a mission and you will all be in that session with no other players, if you can get two groups as rivals (even if you aren't fighting each other) you will have less NPC's to contend with in those missions.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 04:58 PM

Wait what are you saying? If I start an Invite Only session it can have people I didn't invite? We aren't in a private server?

I mean, why do the network trick instead of just host an Invite Only. What am I missing or misunderstanding?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 06:07 PM

Feeling a bit panicked, I did some searching and from what I can tell, correct me if I am wrong, the network trick is used to clear a public lobby, correct? This is desirable when you want to be able to play with just friends but have the full suite of missions available (like crates or I/E, which require public). But we don't care about those missions and are fine with the slightly reduced options in Invite Only. I hope it works like I think it will. Doubt creep....
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 07:37 PM

Maybe "coop" as we old farts prefer isn't a thing anymore?

Anyhow, as you say evading cops is not by going fast but making the right turn and stay clear of their cones, just got away after catching a bounty-dude driving a not-sure-what-it-was but it looked like an old phone-pole repair mans best used vehicle (didn't bother to call insurance for my personal car after my latest failure) smile

But I got me another $10k at Maude's.
Level 5 now and a good way towards 6 (sounds like Wizard level 5 with a green lettuce hat.. or sorts of).

Also received a treasure "picture", is there any other clues than that low-pixel picture?
I mean, if it was Chernarus I would probably know exactly what spot it is and 7 different events I've had in the vincinity but here in this new world I feel a bit lost.

This is getting more fun the more I understand of it.


Edit:
Btw, I have pretty severe loading times into Online mode, is it just me?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/01/19 07:56 PM

The only clues are in the email and the pic. I know, not much to go on. There are 20 possible locations for the first clue, so I cannot help much unless you posted a screen of the email. A chime tone will be heard if you are near the spot.

Now at level 5 you will get the contact missions and these will really get you ranking up quickly. Run the two we talked about in the PM. These are easy and a quick way to progress. If you didn't get them when hitting rank 5 you might have to meet Simeon.

Yes, "Kite, Don't Run" should be the evasion mantra smile

Load times can be long yes, a bit shorter in Invite Only. But it can take a few minutes. Normal, I think.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 12:18 AM

Just had a blast online with DBond, earned some good cash and looking forward to buy an apartment soon smile
Really recommend others to join us, much much easier when more than one.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 12:24 AM

Yeah that was fun, thanks for joining Oden. It was very easy to get hooked up and play missions. It was what I hoped it would be, but certain would not be smile

Can't believe it was so smooth really.

Anyway, as Oden and I are two straight-up gangstas for real, I managed to capture this

Sitting on the sofa watching Princess Robot Bubblegum is hard core.


Let's do something really impressive indeed!


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Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 02:16 PM

This is how our session went, in case anyone is wondering what it's like. Of course, this was the first time for either of us to try this.

We met up on SimHQs Team Speak. There are in game comms, which we will try, but we wanted to be sure we could work through connection issues. Of which there were none!

We had set one another as friends in the Social Club, and once I launched the server I needed to send an invite to my man Oden, which he saw straight away and was able to join me, this took just seconds. Once Oden was in, I jumped in a helo (Buzzard) to go pick him up and take him on a sightseeing cruise. Spotted him and landed in the middle of the street. But he was unable to get in my helicopter. Oden alt-tabbed out to search a solution, but not immediately found. After logging off later, I looked it up. The reason you couldn't get in Oden was because I used the CEO menu to spawn that choppa. Only players in my organization can get in CEO vehicles. That associate request I sent would have fixed it (you would become my employee) , but we didn't get around to accepting it, as we jumped in one of my cars and went looking for action.

I can spawn a Buzzard for free from the CEO menu, but with the organization restriction described above. Or I can call Pegasus to get one, but that has a $500 fee. Not a lot of money, but more than free. So that's worked out, and means if you want a helo I can spawn one for you, or you can join my setup and enter these vehicles. So we can fly around in our own private helicopter squadron if we want smile

So we leave the helicopter there in the street and steal a car nearby and head to my place. Oden's in the market for his own digs, so I want to show him mine so he can get an idea of what the high end apartments are like. We drive in to the garage, and go to use the elevator to go upstairs. But Oden is denied. I suggest he go around front and ring the bell, while I go upstairs. He does and my bell rings and a menu comes up and I can let him in and give him a quick tour. At this point my dog is crossing his legs and so we need to take a break, which is why you see us watching Princess Robot Bubblegum. After Oden left later I sold the 'taxi' we borrowed for 3 grand.

I asked Oden if he wanted to try a mission and he was keen, so we fired up a contact mission (Where Credit's Due), which is easy. Steal a pink Zion from a beauty salon and drive it back to the dealership, evading the cop response along the way. I drove to the location and Oden drove the mark, with me in the passenger seat. Oden drove it like he stole it and lost the cops like a pro and back to the delivery spot. A cool 10k payout apiece plus the rank points.

In the vote screen right after we chose the mission Rockford Roll, which is another car steal mission. It loads in seconds and we are off to the location. We spot a shady looking car around the corner with a couple of guys sitting it in looking like the Feds, earpieces and dark suits. So Oden hops out and I place my car in front of the Fed's car, so if they try to pursue, they will need to negotiate the obstacle and buy us some time to get away.

We jump in the mark car with me driving. Again we evade the cops, return the car, 10 k plus points. Easy money.

It's rather late in Svendeland so we do one more, this time with a little gunfire. It's a straightforward mission (Pier Pressure) to take out some bangers under Santa Monica Pier and steal their meth. I asked Oden about his weapons and he had just the pistol, so we drive to Ammunation and Oden buys a nice assault rifle. Then off to the beach.

We come up with a tactical plan and open fire, gunning them all down. I take a number of hits and have to change my armor, but we both live through it and Oden grabs the meth and we drive it back to the delivery spot. This one payed out 15k plus points and Oden got a good amount of ammo from the dead esses. So in about 30 minutes we made 35k and Oden ranked up like three times. Good stuff.

Time was limited since it was late. We wanted to play some golf, but time ran out. We will do that Sunday, and I'd like to try some racing too. We are looking to play around noon eastern tomorrow so PM or post if you want to join us. As mentioned in my last post, I was surprised by how well everything went. Connections are fast and smooth, the invite/join stuff is fast, missions load quickly. No troubles. To have everything go so well on the first try is fantastic, and I am looking forward to tomorrow. Got some money to make smile
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 04:54 PM

Good summary.
I just played some Golf and managed 5 out of 9 on par, the other ones will not be discussed here smile
Also ranked 12 now, good times good times.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 05:10 PM

OK nicely done, we will play a round tomorrow. That's easy RP and fun too.

Rank 12 already? Movin' up!

Which apartments are you considering?
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 05:17 PM

Haven't really put much thought to it due to cost (waiting for that February 250k)

Edit
and wait! I forgot to tell I made that pier thingy all solo, Britsh L85 assaultrifles makes a difference smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 05:42 PM

Good work. I found out we don't get the weekend money until next weekend.

"As the result of a class-action settlement with the citizens of Los Santos, Alan Jerome Productions – the fine people who brought you the blood-thirsty hybrid of automotive combat and gladiatorial competition that is Arena War TV – has been ordered to compensate the people of Southern San Andreas with up to GTA$1M each. Jump into GTA Online each weekend in February and you'll be awarded a GTA$250K gift that will be waiting for you in your Maze Bank account when you log in the following weekend. "

https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/events

Do you have a controller Oden?
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 05:58 PM

I can wait a week no worries.
If I buy a slumhouse with a rusty garage, can I sell that later and buy a high end apartmenet next weekend?

Not using controller no (ps3, ps4 and xbox style you mean, right?)
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 06:03 PM

Yeah, that style. No worries, just wondering if you'd be able to fly a helicopter comfortably.

You cannot sell a house, but you can trade it in, at a loss (50%?). Not sure what the loss is. The low and medium end apartments are cheap so it wouldn't mean much in the end.

I recommend you do this so you can get a garage and the free Elegy.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 06:20 PM

Check this link. Very useful for choosing a property.

GTAO Property Database

You could simply buy a garage to get the Elegy, with no living quarters. Cheapest one is the one on Popular Street for just 25k (2 cars). But a fool needs a place to crash right?

124 Popular Street Garage

Cheapest Apartment is 112 S Rockford Drive . Not the best neighborhood. Poor schools. Well water. That one is 80k

One of the ones I was considering is 4 Hangman Ave . Eventually I decided to just hold out for high end. But I liked this one aside from the access, twisty roads. Not far from Franklin's house in single player. But it's 175k so probably better to hold out. Still, a good location, aside from the access, a nice back yard and a 6-car garage.

If I were looking for a low end I would probably choose 1115 Boulevard Del Perro . 2-car garage, price is a reasonable 93k. Good location near the beach, and a couple of blocks from my office (and my helicopters)

"With a funky retro decor and carpeted throughout, you can literally smell the history in this Del Perro apartment that features an almost unobstructed ocean view for an almost unbeatable price. Includes 2-car garage."

If you don't buy one today, we can jump in the Buzzard and go on a tour of the properties you are considering tomorrow.


Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 07:05 PM

DBond.
Can you lend me some cash?


"The Aquarius Yacht "
8,000,000 only!

What a bargain!

Now I need to jump from a bridge haha, not getting that robbing small stores am I?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/02/19 07:52 PM

Sure you can have whatever I have. You might be a few million short though smile

The yachts are cool, but virtually every comment I've read says the player regretted the purchase. That's a heavy bill. But if I had millions to burn why not. You get four jetskis!

No you won't get that much from hold ups, but jumping off bridges pays even less.

I can't believe no one else has expressed interest in this. Well, so be it! We can roll as a deuce. Who needs to do heists anyway? smile

There is plenty to do otherwise.
Posted By: letterboy1

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 12:32 AM

Well, I bought it again! biggrin
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 04:01 AM

We gotta recruit you letterboy. We need some gunmen and getaway drivers smile

Gave my motorcycle another go now that I have the controller and whoa nelly! What a difference. I like the bikes now.

For anyone looking for a street bike I recommend the Akuma. Insane acceleration and fantastic handling all for 9k. 9k! You can make that in 5 minutes.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 11:07 AM

Got myself an apartment now but not as stellar views as you DBond.
Pretty good side view towards the Golf Club but the main view over the beach is blocked by a bloody Bank complex.
I need some good TNT for that.

10 car garage with 7 vehicles currently - that's what I'm doing at the moment, out stealing cars (shame on me).
Found a Pontic Firebird I think it is, I'm not that good with cars, and it had pretty good handling so I drove by a paint shop and had it yellow and blue to make it my swedish car - anti-volvo as I now call it.

Unless my private profile blocks it you can view it here:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1643666488

Also got me a cab (possible mercedes?) that sounds just raw and awesome and by far my best car to date.

Doing good so far, I can still work on my driving skills (as you well know DBond haha) but I'm getting there.
I think I manage high speed mental driving on the highways better than downtown zig-zag mayhem.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 01:52 PM

I like your style smile

Which apartment did you buy? What's the address? I'll stop over later

The Anti-Volvo eh?

Should we try the in-game chat system today? I had to go to Settings>Voice Chat and turn it on. I also had to adjust volume there (it was all set to zero). There are other settings such as sound FX and Music volume during voice chat plus Mic volume/sensitivity etc to set. It may take a little experimentation to get the balance right.

Or should we stick with TS since it works fine?

I think stick with TS, since it would let a new guy contact us and get in while we are playing. Let's use the BMS room since I'm sure it's empty.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 01:54 PM

Oh yeah... go to the internet and the Legendary Motorsports website. Sort by price and find the Annis Elegy RH8 (if set to ascending price it will be the first one since it's FREE!) Buy this car. smile

Make sure there is one open slot in your garage, which, according to your post, may not be as you've become quite the car thief biggrin

I think you should aim to get in to the Import/Export business down the line. I will also be partaking in that line of work. Once I can afford to get in that is.

Aside from the Akuma bike I recommended earlier, I'll add the Bati 801. At 15k this one is also a snip. I bought one now that I can actually ride the bikes well. It's faster than the Akuma, but doesn't accelerate or handle as well but looks fantastic, nicer than the Akuma in my view.. And it sounds like a moped. But it is extreme performance for a bargain basement price. It's interesting how they did the vehicles Some of the best ones are ridiculously inexpensive. And others are ridiculously expensive and aren't all that great.

A few random screens I've snapped in the past few days

I've been flying the helicopter often. Can I increase FOV in aircraft? Everything's done in first person

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It's a thug's life. Arriving at my chopper to go on a mission

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Cruising in the Elegy

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Preparing for takeoff on a Sightseer mission

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Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 03:55 PM

Nice pics.
I was planning for a club or something to launder money and maybe get some continous income, I have no idea how it works.

The free car has now been taken care of, thanks for heads up.
Still 2 slots free though smile
Last few cars I tried to steal and hide in my garage was blocked with a notice, would been appreciated if they told me before I took it.

Voice, yeah TS is ok and good for people wanna try this out in our secure team biggrin
But it would be nice if we can run a short test, I've noticed the settings just like you and it seems to be voice activated only.

Anyhow, need to finish my dinner creation deluxe to be ready in an hour or so.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 05:09 PM

I'm on Team Speak now. Launching the server.

If anyone is interested in joining, hop in the F4 BMS Team Speak room and we can add you so you can join. You must complete the online tutorial to join an online session.

See you over Los Santos.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 06:41 PM

I don't know the Teamspeak address or your in game name I thought we had a SimHq server on the website but I don't see it. In game tap the Home key go to the social tab and search me; KurtBong, add me as a friend. I have facilities and stuff we can run some of your missions and get you cash to move up in the world. I also have a huge library of custom races both community made and my own. There are a lot of cool skill games as well.


Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 08:18 PM

GTA intensifies.
Mr Bong joined us with his rank 15 brazillion and came around in a flying car!
As a shaky rank 16 I was swept in into the most intense action to date.
We drove some M2HB equipped monster into an army style base and all hell broke loose.
We got what we came for and started our getaway with cops all over the place and after one helluva ride we failed but man, that was action.

I need to take a shower after this.

Robbing stores suddenly came into a very different light smile

I have some work to do haha.

Will we see letterboy join too? Rumors on CNN says so!
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/03/19 08:50 PM

Yea, that was complete mayhem. Glad Bong joined, The dude has all the toys and it was cool to try some of them out. So we kind of got away from missions and moving on up to spend time playing with the toys and checking out Bong's empire.

A few screens from today's action.


Oden stops by my office and immediately raids my bar smile Dude doesn't even need a glass. Note the bullet holes on his back. no wonder my man needed a drink

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Bong getting down with the minigun

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Bong making champagne rain

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Hey's there's Oden

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Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/04/19 03:27 PM

That was fun yesterday fellas, thanks for joining.

Seeing all the stuff Bong has amassed was cool. Lots of supercars, specialty vehicles, and aircraft and properties. Can't even imagine the amount of money tied up in that.

If I keep playing eventually I'll have a micro-version of that. To duplicate it would take thousands of hours, a generous hacker or a number of Shark Cards smile

It was all a little too chaotic though. I need to be running with a little more decorum haha. Professional gangsta. Before Bong joined yesterday my character had killed 3 cops, and those were just 'him or me' situations. My goal is to conduct my business under the radar if I can. Sometimes the sh!t hits the fan and the lead starts flying, but for the most part I'm trying to keep a low profile.

After the session I had killed 36 cops. You see the shot posted of Bong using the mini-gun. Well, just after that the entire LSPD arrived and it was a war zone. Bong left in a chopper and I was there all alone fighting off waves of cops and helicopters. I wanted to spawn a chopper to make my own escape, but to do that I had to retire from Weed, become a CEO, and request the helo. While I was fumbling through the menus I was unceremoniously gunned down in the parking lot.

The Jetsons stuff was fun to see and play with, but flying cars and motorcycles, Up-and Atomizers and that sort of stuff is too far away from the gritty street crime vibe that appeals to me.

It's road map time. There is so much to do in this game, and most of it costs big money to get started. All of the properties and businesses cost significant sums. The resulting business work can be profitable however. It's important though, considering the cost involved, to make good choices and have things to do that will appeal to the player. It's no good to spend millions and end up having to grind missions you hate.

So with that in mind I've made some choices of the stuff I want to buy and the businesses I want to start. It costs a lot of money and will take time. And the order is still in doubt. Here's what I want to get next

-- Vehicle Warehouse. This enables you to run an Import/Export business. You need to have an office first. I have already purchased Lombank so that's taken care of. Sourcing and selling cars is one of the best money makers in the game. Selling the cars requires a public server. But I'm no longer averse to this. There are ways to mitigate the pitfalls, and now that I have some experience and rank, with better gear it's not so bad in public. I'm aware of the 32-car trick to ensure I am selling only top-end. What remains is the choice of which warehouse to buy. Price is important, but I also value access, location, aesthetics and online popularity. The cheapest of anything attracts the most players, so I avoid that as these are the spots that tend to turn in to warzones on a public server. I also want to factor in proximity to my other properties. The closer everything is, the faster and easier it all becomes.

The La Puerta Vehicle Warehouse is my first choice. Location is quite close to my office, and it's close to the Marina helipad and the freeway. It has ample room to land a cargobob. But it's pricy at $2,735,000. Any other suggestions that don't revolve on price?

-- Hangar. I just love flying in this game. This is far and away the best helicopter map I've ever flown on in all the years I've been simming. Just so much fun. A hangar will allow me to get personal aircraft and modify them. This is very appealing to me. And from what I have read, the associated missions with the smuggling business are fun. There's money to be made here, but modest. It's not the sort of thing you purchase to make profits. But it seems fun, and that's what it all boils down to for me. And if I can make a little on the side all the better. Another perk is that doing smuggling missions unlocks lower prices for aircraft. If you want to start a collection, this can save millions of GTA Bucks.

So again, I have to choose the location. Fort Zancudo is one option, and would get me access to the military base (and no more wanted levels if I get too near). You can easily steal a tank or a jet. But on the other hand it seems silly to run a large criminal import/export business from a military base, and it's located to the north of the city. Not far, especially when flying of course. But from a roleplay POV it doesn't fit.

That leaves Los Santos International Airport and that's what I am leaning toward, though I could be swung with a compelling argument for Zancudo I think. The slightly-less-rundown hangar there is $1,525,000. This is much closer to my other properties and isn't a military base.

LSIA Hangar #1

In order to keep and modify the aircraft I steal buy I also need a workshop at the hangar. That's another $1,150,000.

Total cost is $5,410,000!! I don't have that much

So that leaves deciding on which to get first. I want the hangar first because I would enjoy it more, but the lower income means a longer wait for the vehicle warehouse. If I go warehouse first I can have both a little sooner I think. The frequent sales will help (hangars on sale at the mo) and may shape which direction I go first.

Not really interested at this point in any of the other business ventures, Getting these two up and running should cover me for a long time.

Edit: It's gotta be the warehouse. I'll put the hangar off and make it my reward for running a successful stolen car ring driving


Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/05/19 03:36 PM

I'm glad you guys had fun, we basically ran amok and didn't accomplish much and I didn't even show you everything.There are subway tunnels and secrets yet to be revealed, there's even a crashed UFO under the sea at the North end of the map I'll have to get a screenshot of my stats. Here in no particular order.
Now to those of you unfamiliar with the game the Cops in this game will shoot you for a traffic accident, they are neither courteous or friendly, jus' sayin'

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Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/05/19 08:44 PM

Darnit Bong, I have 85 grand and you've spent 71 mil on vehicles only biggrin
I know I'm 5 years behind but those numbers, holy moses
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/05/19 09:26 PM

Safe to say he's enjoyed the game eh?

The numbers boggle, though with the amount of time I've been dropping I'm catching up haha

The view from my office looking east as a new day of opportunity dawns. The streets are quiet. The peace wouldn't last, but it was nice for a few moments

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Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/05/19 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
That was fun yesterday fellas, thanks for joining.

Seeing all the stuff Bong has amassed was cool. Lots of supercars, specialty vehicles, and aircraft and properties. Can't even imagine the amount of money tied up in that.

If I keep playing eventually I'll have a micro-version of that. To duplicate it would take thousands of hours, a generous hacker or a number of Shark Cards smile

It was all a little too chaotic though. I need to be running with a little more decorum haha. Professional gangsta. Before Bong joined yesterday my character had killed 3 cops, and those were just 'him or me' situations. My goal is to conduct my business under the radar if I can. Sometimes the sh!t hits the fan and the lead starts flying, but for the most part I'm trying to keep a low profile.

After the session I had killed 36 cops. You see the shot posted of Bong using the mini-gun. Well, just after that the entire LSPD arrived and it was a war zone. Bong left in a chopper and I was there all alone fighting off waves of cops and helicopters. I wanted to spawn a chopper to make my own escape, but to do that I had to retire from Weed, become a CEO, and request the helo. While I was fumbling through the menus I was unceremoniously gunned down in the parking lot.

The Jetsons stuff was fun to see and play with, but flying cars and motorcycles, Up-and Atomizers and that sort of stuff is too far away from the gritty street crime vibe that appeals to me.

It's road map time. There is so much to do in this game, and most of it costs big money to get started. All of the properties and businesses cost significant sums. The resulting business work can be profitable however. It's important though, considering the cost involved, to make good choices and have things to do that will appeal to the player. It's no good to spend millions and end up having to grind missions you hate.

So with that in mind I've made some choices of the stuff I want to buy and the businesses I want to start. It costs a lot of money and will take time. And the order is still in doubt. Here's what I want to get next

-- Vehicle Warehouse. This enables you to run an Import/Export business. You need to have an office first. I have already purchased Lombank so that's taken care of. Sourcing and selling cars is one of the best money makers in the game. Selling the cars requires a public server. But I'm no longer averse to this. There are ways to mitigate the pitfalls, and now that I have some experience and rank, with better gear it's not so bad in public. I'm aware of the 32-car trick to ensure I am selling only top-end. What remains is the choice of which warehouse to buy. Price is important, but I also value access, location, aesthetics and online popularity. The cheapest of anything attracts the most players, so I avoid that as these are the spots that tend to turn in to warzones on a public server. I also want to factor in proximity to my other properties. The closer everything is, the faster and easier it all becomes.

The La Puerta Vehicle Warehouse is my first choice. Location is quite close to my office, and it's close to the Marina helipad and the freeway. It has ample room to land a cargobob. But it's pricy at $2,735,000. Any other suggestions that don't revolve on price?

-- Hangar. I just love flying in this game. This is far and away the best helicopter map I've ever flown on in all the years I've been simming. Just so much fun. A hangar will allow me to get personal aircraft and modify them. This is very appealing to me. And from what I have read, the associated missions with the smuggling business are fun. There's money to be made here, but modest. It's not the sort of thing you purchase to make profits. But it seems fun, and that's what it all boils down to for me. And if I can make a little on the side all the better. Another perk is that doing smuggling missions unlocks lower prices for aircraft. If you want to start a collection, this can save millions of GTA Bucks.

So again, I have to choose the location. Fort Zancudo is one option, and would get me access to the military base (and no more wanted levels if I get too near). You can easily steal a tank or a jet. But on the other hand it seems silly to run a large criminal import/export business from a military base, and it's located to the north of the city. Not far, especially when flying of course. But from a roleplay POV it doesn't fit.

That leaves Los Santos International Airport and that's what I am leaning toward, though I could be swung with a compelling argument for Zancudo I think. The slightly-less-rundown hangar there is $1,525,000. This is much closer to my other properties and isn't a military base.

LSIA Hangar #1

In order to keep and modify the aircraft I steal buy I also need a workshop at the hangar. That's another $1,150,000.

Total cost is $5,410,000!! I don't have that much

So that leaves deciding on which to get first. I want the hangar first because I would enjoy it more, but the lower income means a longer wait for the vehicle warehouse. If I go warehouse first I can have both a little sooner I think. The frequent sales will help (hangars on sale at the mo) and may shape which direction I go first.

Not really interested at this point in any of the other business ventures, Getting these two up and running should cover me for a long time.

Edit: It's gotta be the warehouse. I'll put the hangar off and make it my reward for running a successful stolen car ring driving



get used to it...every update they give you previously like 1 million to get you wet and ask 6, 10 million for each new vehicle. i'm tired of grinding,so i just kill people like a serial killer......i much prefer to have focus on turf wars and the busines competition, than those ridiculous saint row esque vehicles and story they came up for online.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 12:47 PM

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get used to it...every update they give you previously like 1 million to get you wet and ask 6, 10 million for each new vehicle. i'm tired of grinding,so i just kill people like a serial killer......i much prefer to have focus on turf wars and the busines competition, than those ridiculous saint row esque vehicles and story they came up for online.


Yep, though I have yet to reach this level of jadedness and cynicism. I still find it fun.

Grinding is a strange thing. Intentional grinding is a ticket to burnout. I read so many posts where players are laser-focused on money per minute. They do the same mission over and over and over again, in an attempt to make as much money as possible. Playing like this it's almost inevitable that the player will become jaded or burnt. So few it seems just play the game. Yesterday I did so many different activities. I did a lot of racing, which pays very little. It's no path to riches, but it's fun! I did parachute challenges, a bike race, helicopter racing, gang attacks, sightseer missions, shooting range contests, a time trial, stole a car, stole a helicopter, bought a sniper rifle, modified weapons and vehicles, bought a snazzy new jacket, held up a convenience store and escaped by helicopter, even managed to hook up with Oden and run a few missions.

Another player played the same mission 27 times in a row cause money. And then probably posted about how much the grind sucks smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 02:03 PM

Speaking of racing... this is a pretty robust and fun racer. There is racing for every type of vehicle, planes, helos, jetskis, cars, bicycles, motorbikes, the works.

There are normal street style courses and also other variations such as transform, where what you are driving changes on the fly, and stunt races through and around fantasy tracks.

I really enjoy the street racing, especially motorcycles with traffic set to on. Anyone up for some racing, motorcycles in particular?

The street racing isn't popular online, I assume mostly because it doesn't pay all that much. But 3k for 3 minutes seems pretty good to me. And it's exciting, the money is a bonus. I was really liking the race called Going Down, which is a motorcycle point-to-point (not a lap race) through the city traffic, and includes a nice jump. Doing these races with a few friends would be awesome. I wish I had begun playing years ago when all of this stuff was popular.

Did anyone try this week's Time Trial at Del Perro Pier? I can't come anywhere near the par time. I used my modified Akuma which has a top end of just 110 MPH, but accelerates like a banshee and corners extremely well. Still 20 seconds off par it seems.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 04:45 PM

Escape by helicopter, haha neat - I need to buy one.
I tend to anti-grind, bought myself a speedboat the other day but first try the weather gods pissed on me and waves outside of my little harbor made me go 50% by air - almost got sea-sick.
Played even on Golf too, 2 birides and two bogeys - getting better.
Found the golden gun in treasure hunt too, was hoping for a good source of income so somewhat a dissapointment.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 04:48 PM

I bought a lot of vehicles that after a while I sold because they just weren't that great, like the Batmobile which had ungodly acceleration but was made of glass (great homing missiles tho). I have found that the best fast cash solution is selling the cars, once you have stolen them you and 3 buddies can sell 4 at a time and if you don't damage them you'll get $400,000 and after a short time delay you can repeat this.
Some vehicles will be unavailable or outrageously priced until you complete a mission with them and then they will be unlocked or discounted. And you'll have to be a CEO for some missions or run or Motorcycle Club for others, like the Weed Farm.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 04:52 PM

@ Oden as Bong snuck one in there

Yeah I saw in your character sheet you have a water vehicle. Where do you keep it?

We talked yesterday how to make the money with the revolver. Shouldn't take too long and it's 250k. You can go homicidal on the pier, or just do it like me and make it your main weapon for a couple of days. I ran the Ballas to the Wall mission a lot for the cash/RP plus it was a guaranteed headshot on the banger standing next to the car you steal. 50 might seem a lot but if you do any of the combat stuff it will come soon enough.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by theOden
Escape by helicopter, haha neat - I need to buy one.


It's worth it. Many players say that they think it's the best purchase they have made. One guy said it was the best thing he's bought in any game ever, Get a Buzzard. They are on sale right now, but it's still over a million. Once you have an office and are CEO you can rent these anytime but at a fee (25k?). When you own it, you can call it for free. There are other options as well since it's also a Personal Aircraft once you buy one. I like this one because of the clear side canopy, but it does cost 200 to call it in from Pegasus (small potatoes) and you have to drive to the nearest helipad. CEO Buzzards spawn right next to you.

I use it all the time. One of the CEO/VIP missions is called Sightseer. You have to collect three briefcases spread around the map in 15 minutes. You have to complete a mini-game (hacking) which reveals each location in turn and then you go pick it up. No shooting or cops. The Buzzard means you can do it much faster than in a car or on a bike. It pays 25k.

I think after an apartment, the best thing to get is an office and then either a cargo or vehicles warehouse, since this is where you make the money. A solo player can make about 240k/hour running export missions. Or less if you're me and you do one and then spend an hour flying around goofing off. Once you have this up and running, the income is there for toys.

You mentioned the nightclub yesterday and Bong could tell you more about that, and whether it's a good investment or not. Personally, I see it as one of the last things I would get, if at all.

I need another 600k to get my warehouse, and that will take until the weekend (and then I get the bonus February money too). The last set of events runs through today and fingers are crossed that they discount warehouses this week! I keep checking their site in anticipation. It's killing me! smile
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 07:22 PM

Hmm ok, office and warehouse first then I guess.
Speedboat is on request and spawns in nearest harbor.

I got myself a bounty, 1000 bucks on my head, by an AI for throwing him out of his car and stealing it - anyone knows if this applies across sessions - to public session that is?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 07:32 PM

Haha, that's gold. Haven't managed it myself just yet.

As far as i know, and that ain't far, the bounty status will carry over to any session, so best to stay out of public for a bit.

To clear it, you need to stay outside of safe houses for 24 hours (and not get killed by someone seeking to collect). If you do this, then you collect the bounty.

Of course, 24 hours is actually 48 minutes. You can go in to safe houses, but the timer pauses while you're in there.

Good luck. If you go in to public to test people's reaction let us know how it went smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by theOden
Hmm ok, office and warehouse first then I guess.


Well, that's my opinion, but you should do whatever makes it fun. The reason I recommend this is that this gives you a good income source, and that in turn greases the wheels for further ventures and toys. The office/CEO opens up lots of options as well. If you get the same one as Bong (Maze Bank West) your office would be right across the street from your apartment. It's also the least expensive.


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Speedboat is on request and spawns in nearest harbor.


I wonder if it's the marina next to the helipad? The marina with the submarine? (Duh, you said nearest harbor so would depend on where you make the call)

I'll check out your boat next time we are on together.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 07:41 PM

The time I tried the boat it was a marina with a single helo standing at its parking, like south east of my apartment

If Bong says night club is no good I think it's wise to listen haha smile

Bong and I was just out on a long sightseeing btw, ended up with a hostage rescue (lots of shooting, it's a Bong session after all haha) but I kept dying so we failed.
(Rank 20-something now)
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 08:48 PM

DBond, remember we talked aboot Stilt Houses?
Annoying loading screens it seems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_QQ30fNoLo
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 09:13 PM

I watched it without sound (at work). Gotta agree with most of what I saw,

What about the loading screens? Stilt houses have different, more annoying screens? Take longer? Some of the stuff shown there was essentially vanity stuff like the Swift and Luxor.

But I still think the stilt houses are cool (although I don't know why the guy here didn't like them). Compared to some of the other properties they aren't a good value. But that's not everything. There's no way really to justify spending 4X the amount of a lower high-end apartment from a cost or function viewpoint. But from a role-play perspective why not? Who doesn't want to live in the Hollywood Vinewood Hills once they've made it? biggrin

I might buy one one day just for a place to spend the weekends and throw decadent parties for my friends.

(Lots to do before then though)
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/06/19 10:11 PM

Dbond you are new, so enjoy it, there are far more race now since the last two updates, but a year ago there was barely any tracks other then the ones released (also no one plays them).
Problem with online is too many cars shooting rockets, really makes unfair fight, or the the flying motorcycles with rockets....when it was only planes it was bearable, also most activity dont net you enough money.....and the business only work while you are online, takes too long, and you risky being killed while in transport by one of those rocket vehicles or a SATELLITE BEAM OF DOOM !
sure mind you, there are servers dedicated to help players make money, with no agression but, if you need this then the game failed. i was very excited about the possibility to attack other players and steal their cargo, or fight off whoever tried the same,in the beggning we would make blockades, with heavy vehidles i in the street to force them to slow down like the movies, follow with a sniper on the helo trying to get the driver, but when you add all those destruction vehicles, its not fun anymore,they will simply blow your cargo and thats 16h you wasted.

i havent been online for a year and half, i'm having way more fun modding the single player to my level of experience, modifying guns parameters, damage given by guns so peds dont die in one shot in the leg/feet, how much kinect impact each bullet does, so people die realistically, cars handlings, adding more vehicles, geting script for smarter AI, more peds, more variety in the world.
Online seems dead in comparison. i really wish they had implemented the boss system better, so that a "family" would control part of the city with businnes and there would be a turf war to get their business netting you a bonus so all players would be engaged in this contantly moving war zone.

i always play tactical as you can see here, so it kinda frustrate me the way online is.

https://youtu.be/aniNXjrrdCY?t=1532

this is another frustration i see,rockstar only care to stop cheat that affect their micro transaction,otherwise its every new patch isa wave ban then new acounts full of hack again




Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/07/19 01:18 AM

You make some good points. I don't know how much play time you have but I'd reckon it's north of 300 hours? Even the best games can start to turn sour when you've dropped that sort of time in to it. For me it's even more acute, because if I get a game I like, I play pretty much only that until I burn out. It's a poor way to go about this hobby of ours I must admit, but there ya go. I'd get more mileage by mixing things up a bit more. Sometimes I come back to it. I've been through the cycle a couple of times with Elite Dangerous for example, and will go back again at some point.

The obstruction points you bring up, whether figurative or literal, are a big issue in public. No one wants to work for hours just to have some D-bag come along and blow it all up. I called it an issue instead of a problem, because frankly this sort of gameplay is encouraged and rewarded. It's really what it's about, from Rockstar's point of view. Some players play in that spirit, some players use that as a cover for their desire to just ruin your day. Public's a bit of a mess no doubt. But there are a few ways to do all of this outside of the influence of griefers and D-bags. And that's what I am planning to do, most of the time.

Most of what you take issue with seems to be common among long time players, and I have little doubt that eventually I'll feel the same way about various parts of GTA. As you said, I'm new, and for me it's fun.

As much as I rip public, it has a morbid attraction for me. I disagree that online is dead. I find plenty of populated servers, and at least "I" feel more alive in these servers. There is such a persistent and real threat that you cannot help but be hyper aware all the time. I like to just hop on my motorcycle and race through the streets as random players take potshots at me. Aircraft get me sometimes, but not much you can do aside from try to hide, and that's not the point smile

I completely agree with you about the futuristic stuff. I'm late to the game, and all this stuff was already part of it. But I'd prefer if the Deluxo, Oppressor, Up and Atomizer and other things of that sort were not in the game.

For me there is only one thing that is needed to transform public gameplay. The single best thing I can think of would be a server option to remove player icons from the map. It would be a different game. It would be fun, still dangerous, and reward proper gameplay. At least, in my opinion.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/07/19 01:25 PM

Oden, I am thinking they tweaked the triggers for NPCs placing bounties on you, because after all the time I've played, I got bountied for the only car I stole last night. $3,000 at that. I simply stayed in invite and nothing at all happened. I guess only players collect bounties, the NPCs don't care.

I checked the Events page today and all of last week's bonuses are over, but no new ones are posted. I'm hoping whatever they do aligns with my plan. So far I've been really lucky. Offices were on sale when I was ready to buy one, and Buzzards were on sale when I was ready for one of those. Those two sales saved me about 1.8 million. Now I need warehouses to go on sale.

Hangars were on sale last week and I'm proud that I was able to resist pulling the trigger and sticking to the plan smile

Edit: I saw that this week the Events are delayed until tomorrow, something to do with Valentne's Day it seems.

And more about the nightclub...not sure if Bong gave you any feedback, but from what I can tell they are good to have, but really only once you've set up other businesses. The main benefit of the nightclub is to produce product used in your other ventures, if I understand it all. So this is one to save until your empire has grown a bit.

Evidently the crate business is the best money maker, but I thought stealing cars would be more interesting so that's the route I chose. Plus, when I first got in to GTAO I saw myself as running a stolen car ring, even before I knew how or if it could be done. It's mostly absent from single player, but Online makes up for it.

Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/07/19 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
Valentine's Day

Never heard of!

Yeah, I think I will goof around a little more with all those "top 5" and "worst 5" to be found on YT before deciding.
But as you say, shouldn't really put too much into collecting dolla'res since it will ruin the game experience, better off doing fun stuff - but once the money is there it could be good to know what to purchase (and when).
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/07/19 06:36 PM

The office/warehouse makes most sense to me, but there is also the Motorcycle Club and you can become a drug kingpin.

Decent overview here

https://www.reddit.com/r/gtaonline/comments/936rob/new_to_gta_here_is_a_guide_to_businesses/

Word on the street is that this week's property discount will be....


Nightclubs! Drat!

Looks like dat warehouse will run me full price.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/08/19 01:28 PM

Oden, still up for a little action this evening? I have to get my hair cut right after work, but should be able to be on around 6pm eastern.

Want to try the first heist? The Fleeca job? Just need the two of us, and I guess would take around an hour?

Here's a good description of what needs to be done. Ignore if you want no spoilers

https://attackofthefanboy.com/guides/gta-online-heist-guide-fleeca-job/

If we decide to do this, we have to decide on a host (doesn't matter to me) and all you need to be is level 12 and own a high end apartment, and we both qualify. We need to choose roles, and we need to decide on how to split the haul. It seems that the common wisdom is the host gets 40% and the other three get 20%. This is due to the fact that the host has upfront costs to fund the heist. When it's a two-man job we can just go 60-40 I suppose.

The 'driller' role is also the hacker, and it seems in this heist it can be challenging, though it also seems that there is unlimited time to get it done. The other guy is the driver and crowd control.

If you're not in to running the heist, that's cool too. I think the take would be around 100k a piece (150k if we do it on Hard), plus I think you get an additional 100k for doing it for the first time. So 200k for an hour's work, and would get me over the line for the warehouse purchase smile
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/08/19 04:06 PM

Yeah, Friday Heist Time!
I'll try to not sleep on simHQ TS at midnight until you show up and let's go from there.
Good times smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/08/19 04:30 PM

OK cool, makin' paper, fool. Gonna roll up on that MF'er and get paid!

(Do you understand Lamar yet? :D)

Played golf with a random yesterday. This guy (or girl) was in the most whacky get up with what looked like blood all over the face. I was dressed in a suit. And we played in the pouring rain and winds were 8-10 every hole. Horrible conditions for a round of golf. What a hoot. Very pleased the other player stuck in there right to the end. I don't know why, but I kept expecting him/her to quit.

The warehouse I want is GTA$2,735,000 since freakin' nightclubs are on sale. I'm paying a premium for location, and to not own the most popular one, which is at least as important I think. I made it to 2.5 million in the bank yesterday. I've been playing every day and tend to make 100-200k per day so it takes a while to get anywhere doesn't it? If we can pull off the heist that money will be very welcome!


I ran da numbas on the vehicles warehouse business.... at first I was shocked! I have to sell 34,000 cars to break even on the investment!

Then I realized I divided by 80, not 80,000 Doh!

So if I buy the warehouse for $2,735,000 and only sell modified high end vehicles for 80 thousand dollars a shot, that's 34 cars sold to break even. That isn't so bad. Of course you have to source these cars, and you want to get your 10 unique low-end and 10 mid-range cars to start sourcing only top end. That will take a good deal of time, let's guess a week of everyday, semi-focused play. Once those requirements are satisfied then it's pure profit from that point on. There is a 20-minute cooldown on solo selling a single car. So at most you can do three per hour. Plus, damages will eat in to that total, for something a bit less in practical, not theoretical terms.

This means a dedicated player focusing on his work can do something like sell three high end cars per hour for $240k, and then run three Sightseers or Headhunters during the cooldowns for another $75k, meaning a very doable, yet theoretical, $315k per hour.

Of course I don't see being nearly so efficient as I get distracted by shiny things, but a rate of 200-250k per hour seems quite reasonable without grinding. Considering that's the high end of my current profits per day, it's a nice bump in income for sure. And it's also true that your stock is finite, so more sourcing will need to be run continually, it's not just sell, sell, sell.

If a player didn't care about location, or access or whether there is a higher probability of campers and griefers, or just wanted the least costly option or judged other properties superior, then the warehouse in La Mesa at $1.5 million is even better. At 80k per pop, that's just 19 high end cars sold to make back your investment. This fails to factor in interior upgrades, money lost through damages, or selling cars other than high end or with no out-of-pocket modifications.

Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/09/19 07:07 AM


I can help you with the car stuff, you have to steal all the cars and get rid of by sale all the duplicates of the lower two tiers, then you only get High end stuff, sell them with a crew 4 at a time you can make 400k as long as they don't get damaged, as in as long as no one is chasing you try to just drive them to the pick up, there is a like 20 min delay between sales, Find some other business to do and then steal and sell more cars. It is the quickest and easiest way to make money. Truthfully, I have never done any of my own heists so mine are still at the very first one. We can do some of these and at least I have excess equipment to employ in between to make money I'll likely be on this Sunday and maybe some of Saturday. I have a few errands to run and a Murder Mystery party Sat eve so we'll see, I'll try to get in a little time. I'm still trying to buy a 1.6mil R/C truck, biggrin
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/09/19 01:35 PM

You've amassed that empire without doing any heists?

Appreciate the offer, and gratefully accept. Oden and I decided to put off the Fleeca job until Sunday. That's a two-man job and he and I will do that one (although you and I can do it too if you want to). After that we need a fourth, Where's Letterboy? Yo Letterboy, up for some heist action? There has to be at least one more here at SimHQ that wants to play and make some money. Sign up!

Oden and I messed around a little last night, made a bit of money and checked out his boat. He left it in dry dock biggrin

After he left I worked on getting my bank balance over the line to afford the vehicle warehouse. Needed 200 grand, and made that plus a 50k rainy day fund. Bought the La Puerta warehouse and I am glad I stuck to the plan and wasn't tempted to go for a cheaper option. It's really important to make good choices on how money is spent. And if I settle, it will nag at me. I could have saved 1.2 million with La Mesa and have a hangar now too. But I think it's best to buy what I want, rather than be looking to swap or upgrade down the line and suffer the loss (not to mention having to sell off all of the cars I've collected)

Once I had the warehouse I checked it out and attempted to get my first car for my new business venture. I know there are a number of missions involved, some easy, some hard. Not sure where the one I got falls, but it was to steal a Tyrus from a crime scene, dead dude still in the driver's seat, and it's crawling with cops, standing guard, taking photographs, etc.

So I circumnavigate the perimeter trying to decide what to do. Can I just walk up, jump in and drive off? Should I start gunning down the cops? Should I go find a cargobob and lift this thing right out from under them? It was really late and I have work this morning, so I decided to just jump in and go. Bad decision.

The cops opened fire before I even got in and it was a disaster from there. So many cops responded and I got slammed in to so many times that I just Alt-F4'd out and went to bed. Gotta read up on the different source missions and perhaps get some ideas on how to approach them. I should have cleared the cops close to the car and then call Lester to remove wanted level? I have yet to use that feature since evading cops is a fun part of the game, but for business purposes I better start using it. Screw you GTA for giving me that one for a first go smile

Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/09/19 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
checked out his boat. He left it in dry dock biggrin


I blame having a flu!
Suffer is my saturday.
Hopefully live and kicking sunday swe-dinner/us-lunch
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/09/19 01:59 PM

Hope you feel better soon old chum. I prescribe VIP missions until you reach 1 million and can buy Maze Bank West smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/09/19 05:08 PM

Speaking of making sensible purchases and not wasting your hard-earned paper, here's a good thread with a number of interesting responses. What are the five worst purchases you've made?

https://gtaforums.com/topic/877298-top-five-worst-purchases-youve-ever-made/

There are plenty more of these threads, and actually this one is a couple years old. If I find one that's newer and as long and useful I'll add it.

Lists like this are highly subjective of course. I've always been the sort of gamer that finds value in things others find useless and vice versa. But you can get a feel for things you should carefully consider before pulling the trigger.

Some of the biggest repeats are

-- Yacht. Didn't need to read the list to figure this out. The ultimate GTAO vanity purchase. I mean, if you have millions and millions and nothing to do with it then, yeah, still don't buy it. You'll regret it. Maybe if it functioned like the Terrorbyte it would be OK?

-- Motorcycle Club. A bit of a surprise, and maybe they've since added better/more useful content. But the number of players that list the MC was revealing

-- Stilt Houses. The thing I think most people hate is the fact that the garage isn't attached, no way to go straight in from the house. Plus they are less convenient to get to.

-- Crate Warehouse business. It's a pretty good money maker, so the fact that it appears so often shows how boring the actual missions and running the business must be.

-- Lowriders/Benny's stuff. It didn't interest me from the start, but a lot of players regret spending money on lowriders. One guy said a million a pop. Is that what these cost? Good grief.

-- Hydra (GTAO's Harrier). Big Surprise. I see a lot of these when playing. I think if you aren't out to disrupt others, there's little reason to get one.

-- Swift Deluxe and Luxor Deluxe. No brainer really. No better than the cheaper variant and even those kinda suck. Waste of money

-- Rhino tank. Seems cool until you realize there isn't much use for it I guess.

-- The rest is an assortment of various weapons, vehicles, clothing and that sort of thing. No single thing will be valued by every player. But for any of the above, think twice before pulling the trigger
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/09/19 05:10 PM

Yeah DB I know that mission actually there are a few variations on it, in different locations. I can usually do them alone but it helps to have back up to slow down the cops because the moment you shoot one it calls out the cavalry. Then you have to escape and try to use the phone to call Lester, so yeah I know and you will do them over and over again with different cars. I can usually get away with doing these in an open session without too much grief but the influx of new players has injected some risk because the game prompts other players to try and interfere so it helps to have air cover if you know what I mean.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/09/19 05:23 PM

A different plan is needed for certain! Haha, it was a fiasco. I was all set to show the world I was cut out for this car theft ring business and made a mockery of it all smile

I found a guide that gives some pointers for each mission type. I think on this one (called Nasty Business FWIW) I should just shoot the five cops near the car, jump in then call Lester.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/09/19 11:09 PM

DONT BUY MC club, its takes too long for profit and the profit is small, also almost no one does the activities.

Crate Warehouse business. It's a pretty good money maker, so the fact that it appears so often shows how boring the actual missions and running the business must be <<< actually the problem is the missions are too long.

- Hydra (GTAO's Harrier). Big Surprise. I see a lot of these when playing. I think if you aren't out to disrupt others, there's little reason to get one. <<<<<it is the noob griefer weapon on release, but not especially after thje air update, there are a lot of far more powerfull planes in the air, jet fighters, bombers, flying cars, flying motorcyclers, flying JET motorcycles, and a hover pack armed to the teeth.



Valentines day generaly has till death do us apart, its a nice pvp where if one player dies the other is the anchor for their respawn. and the cupid of doom (forget the name) pvp. both are cat and mouse versus

Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/10/19 01:19 PM

GTAO public is a strange place. In the past few days, twice I've been on and found my way in to servers where no one was hacking, no one was griefing. More than 45 minutes of play in a populated server with no one getting killed! Other times it's just murder and mayhem. But those servers where folks just appear to be playing the game, going about their business are pretty cool. They are also great for the Import/Export work (hereafter known as I/E).

So last night I logged on and began my new business in earnest. Earlier in this thread, having played through the single player part of the game (Story Mode) I said

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Ya know what this game is missing? Grand theft of autos. I mean seriously, why is there no mechanic for me to steal and sell hot cars? Actually, the whole stealing cars thing was a bit of a letdown. Too easy, too little consequence. I could extend my playtime drastically with a more fleshed out system with more danger, and more reward for nicking supercars.


And that's exactly what the I/E business is all about. When I first ventured in to the seamy world of GTA Online, I thought about how I wanted to make a living stealing and selling cars. So this route is a natural fit. It's quite expensive to get in to the I/E game, but once you've purchased the CEO office and a vehicle warehosue, you can get up and running. Minimum cost without discounts would be 2.5 million. 1 mil for the office and 1.5 mil for the warehouse. If you don't have any other businesses already, then it can take some time to get that sort of bank roll. But that's the way it should be really, I don't want to be able to jump right in and have all the best stuff.

I managed to source my first 8 cars for the new business. The missions to source the cars are fun for the most part, and my noobness was on display. After trying each sourcing mission once, my efficiency should improve. But I did cause a bit of damage to the cars I was stealing haha. In most cases after stealing the car you'll be chased (or at least I was), often including helicopters. Any damage the cars incur comes out of your pocket, eating in to the profits. On average, I caused or sustained $1000 damage per car. So I will need to improve my skills.

I could be selling these cars now, and making some money. Instead, I am implementing the 32-car method with an eye toward higher profits long term. There are 10 unique low-end cars, 10 unique mid-range and 12 unique top-end that can be sourced for the I/E business. The goal is to be selling only top-end to garner the most profit. In order to do this, I need to fill the warehouse with each of the low and mid-range cars and not sell them. The game will always attempt to give you a car you don't already have for the next source mission. Since we would have the warehouse full of all low and mid cars, then we are guaranteed to get top-end. And beyond that, if we get all 12 top-end, we can then choose which cars we will be sourcing. Whichever of the 12 you sell will result in that same car appearing for the next sourcing mission. In this way you can avoid having to drive the poor handling cars like the Z-Type or the Roosevelt. Figure out which ones you like driving the most and sell only those.

When it's time to sell there are more options. Three choices of the kind of client you will sell to. You can sell as is for the least profit, or choose from two levels of modification for higher profits. This is out of pocket and carries some risk. If the car get destroyed you're out the money. If we opt for the highest choices then max profit for the sale will be 100k, minus any additional damage incurred during delivery. That level of return requires 20k in mods, so works out to 80k per sale. In addition, there are 'collections' you can sell for more profit, which require several specific cars plus friends to help deliver them (must be sold together)

So far it's proving to be fun, and just the sort of thing I envisioned when taking the plunge online. The potential is there for really good money, but takes a significant investment in money and time. Glad I chose this route over the other business opportunities. The biggest annoyance so far is the fact that I cannot use the computer in the warehouse office to get the next source mission. I must return to the CEO office. Just a time wasting mechanic from Rockstar.

The La Puerta warehouse after sourcing the first couple of whips for my new business. It's filling up quickly and the money should start rolling in.

[Linked Image]



Did anyone get their 250k for logging in last weekend yet?


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Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/10/19 01:28 PM

I got my 250k just an hour ago.
Also, I played 2 below par - I'm getting dangerous on the Golf Court!
Feels a tad bit meaningless to run missions for 4 to 10k a pop when I "know" I will get another 250k next weekend.

Heist Sunday in 3½ hours ja?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/10/19 01:31 PM

Ja.

Or earlier. just let me know when you are available. Let's get some golf in too. Sounds like we could have a good game with your quickly improving skills smile

Good to hear about the 250k since I am just about broke again.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/10/19 01:36 PM

Broke?
Man, you need to stop spending at that strip club!

If you have time I can actually set off an heist-hour right now and then break for dinner and rejoin at US-lunch again.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/10/19 01:40 PM

If you can give me about 20 minutes I'll be ready.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/10/19 03:41 PM

That was fun Oden, thanks for joining.

Oden and I ran the Fleeca Job heist and flawlessly I might add. He was the driver/crowd control, and I was the hacker/driller. It all went flawlessly, our communication was great, and we pulled it off without any deaths first time. Clockwork, baby smile

When I hopped on today I had about 70k to my name having just bought the warehouse. By the time I logged of an hour and half later I had over 500k. Good stuff.

After pulling off the job, Oden and I meet up at the pub to celebrate over a few Pisswassers smile

[Linked Image]


Now we are going to want to run some of the four-man heists and need one more player. Who's got the stuff? smile

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Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/11/19 04:45 PM

A few funny things happened while Oden and I were on yesterday.

Before we launched the heist, I asked Oden if he had bought a mask yet. He had not, so we headed down to Vespucci Beach to the mask store. While Oden was browsing the selection, I decided to check the map while I was sitting on my motorcycle in front of the shop. Out of nowhere a NPC starts punching me in the face. I have no idea how this happened as I was looking at the map. So I hop off the bike and lay him out flat on the boardwalk. How you like me now!

Seconds later I look around and Oden's gone. I say hey where'd you go and he says he's running from the cops. How did that happen lol?

At the end of the session we are standing on a street corner shooting the sh!t and farewells and Oden hauls off and slugs me right in the face! With friends like that and yada yada.

Anyway, good fun and lots of laughs. We are still looking for one more player. PM me or post. I'll even sweeten the deal for anyone who signs up and figure out a way to give you money or something. A new player can rank up fast and get their bank roll going just by hanging around us. As long as you're in, you'd be ranking and rolling just by hanging back in cover or whatever. Advice, sightseeing tours, helicopter rides, top-stripper lists and more are yours for the asking smile

With the 250k per weekend bonus they are running right now, a new player can get set up in a hurry.

After Oden split I got back to business sourcing cars for the I/E bizness. Brought in more cars for about 18 in all now. I manage to turn most of these missions in to mayhem. Some failures which kinda sucks as the time is gone with nothing to show for it, but it keeps me on my toes.

There is one source mission where you have to beat a time trial, and if you do you get the car owned by the guy who set the time. When you cross the line he is standing by his car, and is none too happy about some punk breaking his unassailable time. The first time I got this mission I walked up to the dude not expecting anything and he pulls out a baseball bat and whacks me with it. So I pulled out my Glock and popped him. Picked up that bat too.

Later I got this mission again, and when he came after me with his bat, I pulled the bat I stole from him and knocked him out cold. How you like me now!
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/11/19 05:20 PM

Haha you really are a trouble maker!
Great Times!
biggrin
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/11/19 06:18 PM

I was on for a little while yesterday, twice actually. I must've missed you guys. Maybe I'll catch you next time.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/11/19 06:28 PM

I have no idea how I could have missed you as I was on almost all day. AFK for some of it, but logged in anyway.

Let me know the next time you'll be on and we will see if we can hook up. Were you saying earlier you'd fly cover for my source missions? That would be swell. I've been doing it mostly in solo public, but ran a few in sparsely populated servers as well. Is it possible to do the suspend process trick to clear the lobby and then have a friend join?

Oh yeah, Oden, the hatchet requires 25 kills for a 250k reward, just like the revolver but half the required kills. It also activates Tevor's rampage mode from what I can tell.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/12/19 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by DBond


Let me know the next time you'll be on and we will see if we can hook up. Were you saying earlier you'd fly cover for my source missions? That would be swell. I've been doing it mostly in solo public, but ran a few in sparsely populated servers as well. Is it possible to do the suspend process trick to clear the lobby and then have a friend join?.

You need at least one other person as a CEO in the session otherwise the NPC's come out in full force. Usually just having a few ppl in is no problem. I find there are a few low level players who seem to have way too many toys and that IS usually the ones who will grief you. I will usually be online for a little while each day before I go to work at 3:00 pm EST
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/12/19 09:29 PM

are you guys on PC ? i'm almost tempted to go back reading you guys
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/12/19 09:37 PM

We are, first person driving all the way.
Join us Blade, we need you smile
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/12/19 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
I have no idea how I could have missed you as I was on almost all day. AFK for some of it, but logged in anyway.

Let me know the next time you'll be on and we will see if we can hook up. Were you saying earlier you'd fly cover for my source missions? That would be swell. I've been doing it mostly in solo public, but ran a few in sparsely populated servers as well. Is it possible to do the suspend process trick to clear the lobby and then have a friend join?

Oh yeah, Oden, the hatchet requires 25 kills for a 250k reward, just like the revolver but half the required kills. It also activates Tevor's rampage mode from what I can tell.


just to go reddit, there is a post with direction for servers that allow a leisure play with no agressions.
there are some discord groups too
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/12/19 10:07 PM

I saw you come on Oden, but I was getting ready to log off. Bong and I hooked up for some action earlier. Did some I/E for my company, thanks for the help Bong. Did a little racing, and ran a weed delivery for his business. The rest was running from the cops with lots of stars lol.

This I/E business is proving to be good fun. I'm enjoying it, and it's quite profitable. But that crap I was spouting about 240/k per hour is hogwwash. Players say this, and it's true if you only count sales. But it ignores the whole import side of the business. And it assumes no delivery damage, which actually isn't difficult to do, but sooner or later is inevitable. I would reckon that the business has cost me about 30% of the gross in overhead. Repairs, ammo, armor, modifications and calls to Lester to remove the heat add up. I probably average 3k in repairs after nicking the car, plus the 20k in upgrades to sell to the Specialist Dealer.

So it's a money maker, but claims of 240k per hour are misleading. The best thing is that it's fun for me. The office computer says I've made 750k in I/E sales, but if I factor in the overhead it's probably closer to 525k. I've spent much more time acquiring cars than selling to this point, as that's what you want to do to start farming certain makes. Once I have the roster full the money will pick up significantly.

Bank account is looking good once more and I'm considering what to do for a next major purchase. Pretty much narrowed down to a hangar, bunker, or sick supercar.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/12/19 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Blade_RJ


just to go reddit, there is a post with direction for servers that allow a leisure play with no agressions.
there are some discord groups too


Thanks, I had worked it out. I like to use that for source business. But for selling I tend to go public and test the temperature of the server. If it's cool I deliver there, since no NPCs. If it's mayhem, I use the suspend process trick and deal with the NPCs, which are at least predictable and finite, unlike the nutjobs online. Or if one of my friends is in as a CEO that works great too (assuming they don't come after me lol) That's what Bong and I did today and I got several full commission deliveries done with zero hassle.

What I was asking Bong was once I clear the lobby can a friend join, not how to go about clearing the lobby which I do know how to do. Anyway, this is what we did yesterday, so question answered.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/13/19 02:48 PM

Hopped back on for a session last night, moved a few more supercars for commission. Mostly though just more sourcing. Got the Nasty Business source job again (the one I talked about as my first source gig) and this time it went flawlessly, didn't take any damage which means didn't cost me any money. Actually, virtually all of the source missions I ran last night went well. Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug eh? In the long run these smooth jobs will pay off with higher profits.

The only job to go tits up was the cargobob one where I picked up the wrong car! And then ran out of time to get the right one. Derp

A couple more thoughts.... I'm done with stunt racing, and if we are on and that's the choice I will politely back out. Stats are fun for me, and one I was tracking was my highest speed in a land vehicle. It was a way to keep track of the effects of the upgrades I was making. My record had been 131.39 MPH in the Elegy. Then I did a stunt race/ custom race and now it's 200 MPH which is a speed I'll likely never match in normal play. I'm certain I won't, so this is no longer something I can track. Stunt races also gave me a ridiculous jump distance of 2200 meters so that can no longer be tracked either. Give me street racing. That's my thing and I'm sticking to it smile

Or helicopter racing. Like that too.

I mentioned I want a supercar. Now normally I'd say this is not what you want to be spending your hard-earned paper on. In some ways it's a waste of money. There are plenty of excellent sports cars that cost far less and are nearly as fast and many look and sound fantastic. But still.... I am styling myself as a street racer lol and I would like to have a supercar to use, one that I can modify and run a custom car. But the choice is far from clear. I want it to look awesome, be really fast and have superior handling. Handling in GTAO is a mixed bag no doubt, with the handling flag nonsense. Difficult decision. Suggestions? T20, Vagner, XA-21 and Zentorno are the leading contenders. The Vagner has been tested to be the fastest car around a circuit (not straight line). Maybe buy a Turismo-R (500k versus 2 mil for others) and start modestly? It looks great (Bong's green one is sexy) and has a good first person view and I am a sucker for Ferrari influences (like LaFerrari) with a dash of McLaren P1 thrown in for good measure.. T-20 and Xa-21 have a good view too.

Have you heard a Turismo when you start it up? Oh goodness gracious....

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So I was browsing the interweb after a mission and saw that the Armored Karuma is on sale. This was on my list, and the price was right so I bought one. Initially, these cost 700k, but after doing the Fleeca job and with the discount I got it for around 370k. One more tool in the toolbox. It's my only four-seater, and will make a good heist car and mission-runner.



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Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/13/19 05:35 PM

Pfft, I'd rather drive a Volvo.



(no I wouldn't /tears )
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/13/19 06:49 PM

Like this?

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Having played with you for a bit now, I can see Oden that you are a man that appreciates the finer things. You dress well, like the more luxurious cars and always go to the best strip clubs.

So I see you in something like this....

Shafter V12. A nice blend of refinement and rage

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(There is an armored version too in case the standard version cannot contain all of the rage)

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Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/13/19 09:27 PM

if you havent bought already i would recomend waiting on the turismo R, its always on promotion because it sthe entry level equalizer super car for everyone, but the bugatti car is much faster and not much more expensive (i forgot the name in game)
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/13/19 09:40 PM

The Adder? Thanks for the recommendation, but Bugattis are err, unappealing to me. Oden seems to like it though. He kept picking it for our races.

Turismo R. Supercar looks and performance with a sports car price. 500k ain't much, a couple of nights play at most. Hell I'll get half of that just for logging on last weekend. No, the Turismo R it is!

When we first met up with Bong he showed us his empire, and despite all of the cool stuff, the thing I was most impressed with was his office garage. I had no idea it would be two floors, with windows and such. Filled with amazing whips it was even more impressive. This became my goal at that moment lol. I am on my way now (aside from the garage part)
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/14/19 12:44 PM

If it was the Adder (looks like Veyron), then it's twice as expensive as the Turismo and has worse stats. Not sure how accurate those in-game stats are though.Maybe you meant a different car?

Common wisdom doled out by GTAO vets is simple

"Don't waste money on supercars"

Hold my beer.

So after deciding yesterday that I would get a Turismo R, I logged on with the intention of giving it another go to be sure it was a good car for me. I did some hotlapping in the Cutting Coroners race to get a feel for it. It's a pretty good car, especially for the money, and it looks and sounds fantastic. But the result of my test showed it feels unbalanced a little bit, like a car with too much weight on the front wheels. It had noticable entry understeer, yet still wanted to step out on exit. After a number of laps I could turn a time of 2:04 over two laps. Good cockpit view.

After that I thought I would do the same sort of testing for all of the supercars I would consider. Vagner, XA-21 and T20 were the main contenders for my next car purchase, although a steep step up in price. The XA-21 is a great car, but it has two problems. It doesn't sound mean enough. No rage in that machine, but it's quite fast and I was able to turn times of 2 minutes flat with it. The steering wheel also blocks the instruments in first person view.The Vagner proved even faster, but it has the worst view. I could turn times of 1:59 in the Vagner. This car also has a blocked instrument cluster.

The T20 though, fit like a glove. Not only was it fast, matching my Vagner times, but it handled so much better for me. Just the right amount of entry and exit oversteer. Every player will be looking for a different feel, and the T20 hits that spot for me. It has a better view than the Vagner, although there is still a touch of front fender limiting the view, but not as bad, It doesn't sound quite as vicious as I would like, but still sounds great. After my testing I knew I had 'my car' and went to Legendary Motorsport to see how much it costs. ON SALE.

On sale? Seriously? I had just spent nearly 400k on the Karuma and had 850k in the bank. Sale price for the T-20 was 1.3 mil, marked down from the 2.2 mil it usually costs. That was really attractive. So I immediately set about raising the funds. The thing was that this sale should end on Thursday, when the new set of events is out. And I was thinking that Rockstar is based in the UK, and their Thursday starts early, and I didn't know if I would have the time to raise the capital before the sale ended. Over the next two hours I ran export/headhunter/export/sightseer. There is a 20 minute cooldown after an export sale, so the headhunter/sightseer missions fill that time and keep the money rolling. In those two hours I made 600k. And that was enough to buy a T20 and modify it. The sale hadn't ended yet and the T20 was soon delivered to my garage. So I came for the Turismo and left with the T20.

After modifying it to the extent that my now-depleted bank account would allow, I was able to turn times of 1:55-flat in this car, which is 4.5 seconds per lap faster than I was doing in the unmodified Turismo. I will still add a Turismo to the stable down the line, but it all worked out to give me one of the very best cars in the game, and one that fit my driving style to a T.

It came from the factory in yellow. I immediately began running easy missions to gain some bank. Clearly heavily influenced by the McLaren P1. Sweet car. Skipped right on past supercars in to the hypercar strata. Exceptional acceleration, good top end, good view, sounds great, awesome handling, AWD. Twin-turbo V8 hybrid. Also has a dynamic spoiler that raises at speed and under braking.

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Took it to LSC and painted it and did some performance modifications. GTAO is the only game I can think of where I would consider aesthetic upgrades before performance lol

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And she looks good in my modest, but growing, stable.

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This paint job was limited by my reduced spending power haha, and I used the cheapest colors. I'll revisit this at some point. Splashed the cash on those sick rims though smile



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Posted By: DM

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/14/19 01:24 PM

Rebel radio? smile That's always my favourite.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/14/19 01:46 PM

Hey there DM, you still play?

Rebel Radio is on the playlist for sure. Mostly though I listen to West Coast Classics and the Los Santos one. I was a teenager in the 80s, and music like NWA and Public Enemy was the soundtrack of my youth. I like listening to gangsta rap when cruising around Los Santos smile
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/14/19 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
always go to the best strip clubs.

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Posted By: DM

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/14/19 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
Hey there DM, you still play?


Well, when I say play I mean I just wander about marvelling at the environment smile I think the gameplay world all by itself is a stunning achievement. Although I own a hardcopy of the game (with map :)) I was forced to actually play a cracked version, and as such it's not updated and probably wouldn't be able to connect (either out of date or an identifiable cracked version). I expect that I could try uninstalling it & installing my hard copy again but it's a kerfuffle with no guarantee of success.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/14/19 02:40 PM

Big points for working kerfuffle in to everyday conversation smile

Well, if you do decide to fire it up again we would love to have you join us.

Word on the street is that Bunkers are the property sale this week (and double $ income too). Now I have my next goal. Which location do you consider best? Thinking Chumash or Farmhouse. Location, access, proximity to my office, plus unpopularity would be paramount.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/15/19 12:17 PM

New paint, what do you think of this?


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Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/15/19 04:15 PM

For some reason I can't make a screenshot lower than 2mb to post on here
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/15/19 04:17 PM

You gotta convert it to JPEG (probably PNG now). Open it with Paint, choose Save As and pick JPEG and save.

Max size is 1 MB

(Although attachment manager say 2MB. Hmm. I think it's 1 MB)
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/16/19 06:46 AM

BTW I am going to make a race. It will be a cross country road race with traffic and cops across the length of the map, a Gumball Rally. There may be some alternate routes, shortcuts and jumps, but nothing that you can't do first person. Might even make it a transform race with different vehicles for sections, Supercar, Off-road, Aircraft, Boats, etc..

Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/16/19 01:56 PM

That sounds good. Maybe I should invest in an off-road vehicle. On the list are the BF400 dirt bike and the Canis Kamacho, Haven't bought either since I have no real practical use for them to this point, and there is always something more pressing in the list. I'm going to need a second garage soon too!

I used the Bifta buggy in single player a little and really liked driving it so maybe one of those eventually too. Probably too open for dangerous missions, but fun to mess around in.

Ran more I/E and other missions and races last night as I attempt to gain enough bank for a bunker. It seems last weekend's log-in money is already hitting player's accounts. That will put me over the top and I can try to take advantage of the double income from bunker sales. I have yet to do any 2X event, so that will be good.

Finally got the warehouse full with all 32 cars and can now choose which cars I will be sourcing. Osiris and T20 mostly since they are awesome to drive .Plus, since I own a T20, each time I sell a T20 I can paint it for 'free' and try out various customization options. Like a test bed for my personal whip.

Word of warning for those who run I/E solo. This got me last night. If you create a solo public server and some one finds their way in to the server and becomes a CEO, and then leaves, the car you are sourcing catches fires. For real though. It maxxed out damage (at least I didn't lose it completely) and that runs 34k. That severely bites in to the profits. The business is fun though and I'm getting close to having made back the warehouse purchase price already. Some of the sourcing missions suck, but most are quick and fun.

If anyone wants to help me deliver a collection let me know. I don't think the people that help me get the extra money though so it only benefits me. But of course I will return the favor for your business.

For the bunker I am planning on buying Chumash. It's the closest to Lombank, and I think it will be best for sales in Los Santos as it sits right off the PCH. It's popular though and maybe I will regret it for this reason, although I play a lot in a solo server so maybe no big deal.

Weapons at Ammunation are 30% off in case anyone wasn't aware. Got a grenade launcher smile
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/16/19 04:05 PM

I have been in sessions where there were a few other players and after sourcing a car they made a beeline for me, So, since it's the car they want and I haven't made an investment I just ditch it with a sticky inside. As soon as someone grabs it and it starts moving I blow it up, Loads of Laughs
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/16/19 04:42 PM

What screenshot (s) were you looking to post? Did you try what I suggested?

If anyone logs in let me know if you got your money from last weekend.

I'll be on tonight and probably tomorrow day as well if anyone's around. But I will be looking to focus on business, especially bunker sales to take advantage of the double rewards and of course I/E work while the next supply is building. Up for some racing, combat, missions and golf too. I can't wait to race my new ride. I'm always down for partnering up of course, but even just another player as CEO in the session going about his own business is a big help.

Earlier I was talking about the supercar hotlap testing I did. For what it's worth, I took the modified Elegy out for the same test and it turned the same laptimes as the (unmodified) XA-21. Laptimes are subject to error and driving style and so on, so not definitive. But it showed me how good the Elegy is on a street circuit. And all for free (minus the mods of course)

The Akuma crushed them all for laptimes though. That's a 9k bike! (plus the upgrades). On a technical circuit it's hard to beat. Once I get around to modifying the Bati 801 I will run that through the test procedure as well.
Posted By: Blade_RJ

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/16/19 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by KRT_Bong
For some reason I can't make a screenshot lower than 2mb to post on here


just creat a quick acount on imgur and dump them there like i do.
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/17/19 12:19 AM

I'm joining now..
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/17/19 01:47 PM

Good stuff yesterday Bong. Enjoyed the racing and the Survival. That's the most waves I have survived so far (ten). Seeing you standing there ripping with the mini-gun is awesome. Your outfit and defiance remind me of those two armed robbers in LA years ago, with their body armor and automatic weapons in the streets. And just playing follow the leader through the city streets in our T20s was fun too.

Oden has broken in to the corporate crime world and bought an office. Congrats, which one did you buy? Maze Bank West? And also a new address for your apartment eh? Nice view? Which apartment number did you buy? Eclipse Towers is very trendy smile

For the CEO stuff, some missions require public, as you mentioned in the PM. Some do not. The best ones that do not require it are Sightseer and Headhunter in my opinion. Both are much easier with a combat helicopter, but can also be done with vehicles, just take longer is all. Sightseer is the best one to do with vehicles since no wanted level like headhunter. Each of these pays 25k max. In sightseer you need to hit the 10 minute mark to reach max payout. This is the mission we did together in my helo with the briefcases.

For the ones that require public, you can choose to do them there (and there are some advantages), or you can clear the lobby and end up with a 'solo public' lobby. There are several ways to do it, but this is what I do.

Enter GTAO Public lobby
Alt-tab out
Open Task Manager
Click Performance tab
Click Open Resource Monitor
Right click GTA 5 and choose suspend process.
Suspend process for 8-10 seconds.
Resume Process
Return to GTAO

This takes longer to type than to do. When you return to GTA you should see all the players left messages. But you are still in a 'public' server and can now do all of those other missions free from douchebaggery.

CEO missions have a 20 minute cooldown. But 25k for 10 minutes of easy sightseer work adds up quick. Be aware that once you've cleared a lobby, that choosing any contact mission may result in a return to a populated public server when complete (and then you just clear it again). It's also possible that eventually others will be placed in your cleared one. You usually get quite a bit of solo time before this happens. But keep an eye on the players list all the same. Reaching CEO status and having an office is entering on the bottom rung of the corporate crime world, but it's a big step overall. Until you get a warehouse though the money isn't fantastic. better than before, but not as good as it will be. I'd suggest saving up for either a Buzzard or a warehouse at this point, but all that is up to you of course.

Because sightseer doesn't require public, a good method is to start an Invite Only, run sightseer, then one or two of your favorite contact missions during the cooldown, then repeat. This should earn in the neighborhood of 65k+ per hour. Sightseer is great because it costs nothing. No armor, ammo or anything else. Without a helicopter though it requires good driving skills. As a CEO you can now rent a Buzzard for 25k. So just one sightseer will make that back and then you can continue to use it. Once owned, calling the Buzzard is free. As CEO you have other vehicles on call as well.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/18/19 01:59 PM

Good stuff yesterday boys, thanks for the fun.

I made some serious bank. Throughout the day, as I was off and on through most of it, I pulled in a million dollars. I started off by buying the Chumash bunker, which blew the million I already had, leaving me mostly broke once again. Then hooked up with Oden for some missions and a round of golf. Then Bong joined up and we all did some more missions and racing.

After you guys left I tried out my new gunrunning business, which was a complete fiasco. First delivery mission was in the monster truck and I only delivered 3/5, got shot to hell by Buzzards and at the end my truck exploded. A second delivery was an unopposed drive in to town. So I need to work all of this out. I wonder if there is a way to cherry-pick the delivery missions?

But mostly I ran Import/Export. Most deliveries were done in public. A few guys came after me I think, but none were able to get to me before the destination, so it all worked out. I've made a few million off of I/E already, so this is going well, and I have fun doing it. The tension I feel leaving the warehouse with that pimped-out supercar representing my hard work and financial investment, and driving it out in to a world full of armed idiots, psychos and malcontents is worth the price of admission smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/20/19 02:58 PM

The thread has run out of gas it seems, so maybe I should let it die. But not just yet...

My effort to get a group together to run the heists has failed miserably. Shame that, I really want to do these, but have little desire to run them with randoms. Oden and Bong are on board, leaving a single solitary slot looking for a player to fill it. I should have known that getting four people together, out of the thousands that hang out here, was a fool's errand biggrin

Actually I thought it would be easy. I thought people would be all over this. I realize the game is old, and not everyone's cuppa, but come on, it's one of the most successful games ever. Well, actually, it's THE most successful game ever, but let's not split hairs. And it's fun.

Maybe someone will come on board. Please post or PM if interested.

Beyond the heist disappointment, I've spent the past two days getting the gunrunning business set up. With the double rewards this week it's a good money maker. I was able to buy the bunker (Chumash) and upgrade the staff and equipment. Total investment was 2.5 million (saved 700k with this week's bunker discount). I haven't made all of that back yet, but with the payout bonus it's done well. My single best payout so far in GTAO came last night running guns. The mission itself was fairly challenging. For some reason, GTAO players call the bunker "passive income" which is not even close to being accurate, but whatever.

Here's how it works. First step is to buy a bunker. There are eleven bunkers to choose from, with different costs. I chose Chumash partly for the location (closest to the city and my office) and partly due to price (4th cheapest). There are three upgrades. Equipment (1.1 mil), staff (500k) and defenses (not sure, haven't purchased). Aside from defense, these upgrades serve to both reduce production time and increase value of the weapons being made.

To run the business, the player needs to obtain stock, the commodity used to manufacture the guns. Stock can be obtained by stealing it, or buying it. Stealing means you get it at no cost (minus time, ammo, armor etc). Buying it costs 75k (there's more to it, but for my purposes, since I am running it solo, let's call it 75k). Common wisdom is to buy it since the time you would otherwise spend stealing it, can be put to more profitable use in other ventures such as Import Export. Or steal it, whichever makes you happy smile

Once the stock is secured, the staff in your bunker turns it in to weapons over time. That 75k becomes 210k worth of guns in 2.5 hours (when you have both upgrades. It takes longer and is worth less if you do not). So I suppose the production is passive, but there's no money in production. Once the product is ready, you need to sell it. You can sell it in Blaine County for less money, or Los Santos for more. I always choose the city.

From the laptop in your bunker you chose to sell. Upon exiting the bunker, your mission is assigned through whatshisface on the phone. These missions vary in challenge level. But basically you are assigned a vehicle like a monster truck, Insurgent or buggy to deliver the goods. Get them there in time and cash in. Some are opposed, some are not. Other players can choose to disrupt you or destroy your shipment. Not so passive now is it? Like Inigo Montoya said "I don't think that word means what you think it means"

With the double money this week, that 210k becomes 420k! Cha-ching! To get that, I had to run a mission in an Insurgent, and at each of five drop off locations you get swarmed by Merryweather. Helos, Insurgents and footsoldiers. Lots of em. But they aren't aimbot like the enemies in I/E missions, and I got through it with only one death. Next time I will remember to restock my body armor lol. So 420k minus the 75k investment is 345k profit. Not bad for 20 minutes of work. Of course, after Thursday the 2X will be gone and this will pay 135k profit. Still good money.

So what's the downside? Initial cost is steep. But Rockstar's made that true of any business venture. Fully upgraded bunker daily fees are high, so you either want to keep it rocking or shut it down. And it requires a public server. That's not much of a deterrent once you've learned the ropes.

Overall, it's a great business to supplement your other holdings. If you're going on for a three hour session for example, you would start by obtaining your stock and let your minions go to work. While they are at it, you play the rest of the game. At the end of the session, run the delivery mission and cash in.

Posted By: HitchHikingFlatlander

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/22/19 05:11 AM

Count me in but I have to figure out what my social club user name is. After that its just the time zone that may interfere (pacific time zone for me).
Posted By: HitchHikingFlatlander

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/22/19 05:22 AM

My game name is HitchHikerHSDWG feel free to add me.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/22/19 09:41 AM

I've seen Californians.



Friday's we try to run a session at my midnight/DBond's dinner so I guess that would be your lunch (or is it your 3pm coffee-break? You mericans do 3pm coffee right? it's by law in Swedenland)?
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/22/19 01:41 PM

Haha Oden, that won't play in the US, but I know the skits. If HHF is like that, imagine the directions he will give lol.

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Outstanding, and welcome aboard! I will add you (Done, check invites). Are you interested in running the heists? Like Oden said, we usually get together on Fridays (6pm eastern, maybe a little early for the left coast) and we've been getting together Sunday afternoons with Bong as well.

If you want to do the heists, I humbly request that HHF and Bong run the Fleeca job on hard. This would keep the four of us eligible for the bonuses on offer. The Criminal Mastermind one (10 million!) is probably out of reach since it requires no deaths. But the million dollar rewards for doing the heists in order, and with the same crew would be very reachable. Oden and I ran the Fleeca heist, which took about an hour? We made it through in the first run. It's pretty easy. And you get an extra 100k if it's the first time you've done it. Once all four of us have run Fleeca, then we can do Prison Break.

Thanks much HHF for stepping forward. Made my day smile

I bought a hangar last night, the cheapest one at LSIA. My new goal is the Akula attack choppa. It's mostly like a Commanche, with stealth and sh!t. Hangars are on sale and so is the Akula. This is a multi-step program, but I should have the helo in a few days. From there I will still need the workshop and upgrades before it's ready for PvP. But I want to take advantage of the discount which will save 1.2 million. Saved 500k on the hangar price. That even comes with a plane. So I have a plane. And a new smuggling business. Bond & Son is really branching out lol.

Not sure if it's still up, but yesterday's daily challenge was easy. 3 things...

-- Participate in a non contact race. Set one up, choose non contact. Race. Done

-- Fall 350 feet (or there abouts) without dying. Flew helo to top of tallest building. Jumped off (with 'chute, very important) and landed in construction site lot. Done

-- Complete Flight School Mission. Did second one (engine failure) for first time. Couldn't believe it, but I stopped 2.18 meters from target. Never again I am sure. Haha

Easy money. Took 15 minutes to do them all.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/23/19 02:28 PM

I want to apologize to Oden, and thank him as well smile

We hooked up last night and started with our customary round of golf to kick things off. After that we ran one of my bunker deliveries, and then an export mission. Unfortunately he got jack sh!t in payouts, while I cleared 300k. Not fair. Isn't there a way to share job payouts? How is that done?

I think if we sell one of my car collections then each player gets a good cut. I have two 3-car collections ready to roll if two of you want to help. Each player would get 135k minus damage I believe if we sell the top-end one (Uninsurable Collection).

With the addition of HHF we finally have four players. I'd like to know if everyone is on board for running heists? Please check in and let me know. Tomorrow is probably too early to run Prison Break, but perhaps we could get Fleeca out of the way? As mentioned, HHF and Bong need to do this as a pair to keep us eligible for the big rewards. It needs to be run on the hard setting, and if it can be done with no deaths even better. I am not expecting we will get the Criminal Mastermind reward, but we will if we can do all the heists in order, on hard with the same four guys and have no deaths we would each get another 10 million. And that would be a game changer. This though, is probably too much to expect. Something always can go wrong smile

Let's get it rollin'
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/23/19 04:22 PM

no worries DBond, I wasn't there for the dollars.

But, I had a less good run today.
Guess I've done something bad and God hates me in general.

Couldn't find a garage at my funds so I thought whattaheck lets go warehouse and start collecting papers until I can afford a garage.
Said and done my secretary (dead sure she's your secretary's sister) instructs me to buy goods and I go easy on a 1 crate 2000 gta-dollars.
"Go get it" she says and I spin off in my stolen vehicle.
Halfway there I get a notification someone got my stuff and I need to take out that helicopter.
Seriously? A helicopter, with my handguns and a rusty land vehicle?
Can't see the challange so I just ignore it.

After some youtubes on warehouse I still don't get it and assumes it was just a one-off bad start.

Second try, 1 crate only, it seems the law enforcement was quicker then I.
So, this time the challenge becomes robbing a police van holding my cargo?

Ok, lets give this a try.

67 532 bullets later and a number of deaths I find myself in a police van trying to evade the whole world heading south from the northern tip of Santos island.
In the general mayhem that ensumes I imagine myself that a random player ona a flying motorbike tries to fend off police cars chasing me, or he tries to steal my stuff killing me, not sure.

Finally I make it back to my warehouse and after secretarian instructions I sell the goods and must go to a plane for delivery fo the deal.

Once there I understand that I also need to pilot this bird and trust me, as a long time Falcon4 pilot, this is not normal flying.
I manage to take off and heads towards some yellow marker.

BoomPowZagaboff and gtaOden is no more.

Someone shot me down and grabbed the goods.

Feels a bit over the top of an effort for a few grand?

I can collect 10 grand sleeping in a pink Zion every now and then.

Feels like I have a wall of "rank 400" players stopping any attempt to move forward.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/23/19 05:15 PM

Oh man, that sounds bad. I didn't go the crate route of course, so have no direct input on how to go about it. I know it can pay very well. But not familiar with the mechanics.

Look back a few posts and find the instructions I wrote for creating a solo lobby and you won't have to deal with the people that want to blow your stuff up.

You might be able to gain some insight and a few tips from this reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/gtaonline/comments/5ucgj5/are_the_crates_doable_solo/

Or this

Lone Wolf Crate Guide
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/24/19 04:56 PM

Late dinner, will be there within an hour.
Hope to see you HitchHiker, I'll buy you a virtual beer when you show up smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/24/19 05:32 PM

See you then. Anyone willing to help me make a weapons delivery?

The last one I did glitched. When it ended a message popped up that the transaction wasn't valid or something, and the stock went back in to the bunker. Problem is, I had already purchased the next batch of stock and now have more than can be delivered by a single vehicle. So I need a second driver. Apply in person smile
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/24/19 09:35 PM

Thanks for the help Oden, not sure why we lost the 3 weapons crates, but at least I made my money back.

Today I was the player I don't want to be, destroying the car we are looking to steal. With rockets. So dumb smile

I'll be sure to keep it low key next time
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/26/19 06:48 PM

Hmm, I thought I posted in here yesterday but, sorry I was otherwise engaged Sunday maybe this weekend I'll be in there.
Posted By: theOden

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/26/19 06:59 PM

You would've been proud of us Bong, the simplest theft ended up in massive mayhem with a brazillion shots fired and numerous demolished vehicles >> Bong-style mission biggrin
I had to switch wheels mid-escape and DBond spammed rockets from his helo for my cover - jumped in a brand new SUV that wasn't brand new for very long.
First time I actually shot police officers right in the face on purpose - felt bad but I just had to survive as they start to show up SWAT style riding on the side of their vans.
zig-zagging on dirt roards over the mountain back into north parts of LS wrecking even more police cars and general sunday drivers I finally made rid of the last cop-star in the city streets.

I had to change t-shirt for real after that.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/27/19 01:52 PM

Yeah, a bit of a mess, it was. Totally me. Like we were running a contact mission to steal a truck. Some NPCs were in cover and giving us a hard time. And I am all like hey, I haven't used this grenade launcher. Plomp! Boom, up goes the truck we were to steal.

And then later, I said hey Oden, run some of your business missions and I will fly cover in the Buzzard. It actually went well. Then, we did one of my car source missions with the same idea, I would fly cover, while Oden drove the mark back to the warehouse. I decided I would help thin out the opposition on the ground as we moved in on it and managed to blow up the car we were to steal.

But anyway, despite my blunders, I had a ton of fun flying top cover smile

I made some good progress over this past week. Took advantage of the sale to buy a hangar. And bought the Akula on sale as well. Then saved to buy the hangar workshop and weapons, armor and stuff for my new helicopter. The smuggling business that comes with the hangar has been cool. It's crap money, but fun. The airport can be a bit chaotic at times, but patience is a virtue.

The hangar is awesome, but this is the sort of thing you only buy because..

-- you already have everything else, or

-- You want personal aircraft.

You do not buy it to turn a profit. The real financial advantage to it is the fact that as you run source missions, you unlock the 'trade price' for various aircraft. So if you are in to the aircraft in GTAO, this can save millions upon millions. If you do not care about owning personal aircraft, spend your money elsewhere.

I also started getting in to the PvP a bit more and now have a respectable K/D. Early on I avoided this whenever I could, but still got wasted regularly, resulting in a pretty deep K/D hole. An 0-fer as they say in baseball. So it took a good run to get this respectable. I am becoming that rooftop sniper that we all hate smile

With the hangar and the Akula in the organization, the next goals on the list are an office garage like Bong's and a Turismo-R cause it is so sick looking. After that? Frankly, I have no idea.

Our heist action has gained no traction. I'll await developments.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/28/19 03:03 PM

Double $ and RP on all Contact Missions this week. That's pretty good. Not only is it double money, it can be done in Invite. Offices, Cargo Warehouses, Nightclubs, Hangars, Bunkers are all on sale I think.

https://gtaforums.com/topic/925755-play-7-new-rc-bandito-races/

Oden should like the contact mission bonus smile

2X Associate pay as well.

If you haven't lost interest by now that is.

I have to conclude that the heists just are not going to happen with a SimHQ crew. Posts and PMs have gone unanswered. Getting this done takes a little commitment and some coordination, and that's not happening. I've been cast to the randoms pool. Plenty of other ways to make money, but this is content I don't want to miss. I cannot bring myself to invest the time to try heists with random fools. Just too many ways for it to go wrong. After five weeks of trying to work it out I admit defeat.

On the plus side I ranked enough to get the heavy sniper. That goes well with my sniping biggrin
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/28/19 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by DBond
Double $ and RP on all Contact Missions this week. That's pretty good. Not only is it double money, it can be done in Invite. Offices, Cargo Warehouses, Nightclubs, Hangars, Bunkers are all on sale I think.

Oden should like the contact mission bonus smile

If you haven't lost interest by now that is.

I have to conclude that the heists just are not going to happen with a SimHQ crew. Posts and PMs have gone unanswered. Getting this done takes a little commitment and some coordination, and that's not happening. I've been cast to the randoms pool. Plenty of other ways to make money, but this is content I don't want to miss. I cannot bring myself to invest the time to try heists with random fools. Just too many ways for it to go wrong. After five weeks of trying to work it out I admit defeat.

On the plus side I ranked enough to get the heavy sniper. That goes well with my sniping biggrin

Even better with explosive rounds, just crazy OP
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 02/28/19 04:44 PM

Yeah, but you need a bunker and what, a MOC or Terrorbyte?

I admit I'd like to have these rounds for flying griefbags.

But neither of those vehicles is in my near future. Office garage is next, then I want to blow my money on supercars lol.
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 03/01/19 02:35 PM

The contact mission bonus meant a nice change of pace. I didn't go public all night, just stayed in invite and ran a variety of contact missions. Good money, and the RP is hard to beat. Fast ranking with these at the moment. I played a few I hadn't tried yet. Mostly I wanted to see which contact missions were good to do with a Buzzard. One that is, and that I ran several times is called Hit 'em Up. It's an assassination mission with four targets, all of whom are outside so can be done with an aircraft. Takes 10-15 minutes and was paying 38k with the 2x bonus. The best paying mission I ran paid 45k and though I cannot recall precisely which one it was, I think it was Chopper Tail.

In leisurely play over a couple of hours I cleared 400k. At this rate my office garage will be installed this evening. I'm gravitating toward simply focusing on whichever activity is on bonus this week. I don't have all businesses, and probably never will, but for example I shut down my bunker last week. I may not run it again until 2x for gunrunning. Once you have a diversified empire, this is probably the way to go. I have been filling my air freight business in anticipation of the next smuggling bonus week.

GTAO players always talk about 'profit', but like my ex-wife, never seem to consider or mention how much things actually cost. I talked about this when describing the import/export mechanics earlier in the thread. Gunrunning is the same. Let's break it down.

You can steal the supplies, but I will ignore that and focus on buying them, which is what most players do.

The supplies cost 75k. As a solo player you want only enough to fill a single vehicle, to make the delivery mission manageable as a lone wolf. So you spend 75k. Assuming you have an upgraded bunker, these supplies will be ready to sell in 2.5 hours. When ready, the sell mission will gross 210k, for 135k profit. But my bunker costs 8,600 per 'day' in operating costs. So during that 2.5 hours while production is underway, it costs 26,900 to run the bunker. So profit is closer to 110k. And this fails to factor in any other costs such as ammo, armor and other incidentals incurred during operations, or the fact that you may lose some product during the mission, plus bunker costs incurred when no production is actually going on.

During a 2x bonus week, this profit though jumps to almost 320k. So it makes sense (to me) to diversify as much as possible, then concentrate on whichever one is the focus of the weekly event. Simple enough, but you need the assets and infrastructure to take advantage of it. A player like Bong, who has virtually everything, can cash in no matter which direction R* goes any particular week if he is so inclined. That's the path to becoming a crook with mountains of cash (or a fleet of supercars, as the case may be) smile

Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 03/02/19 02:27 PM

Spent another evening running 2x contact missions. The goal is the office garage, and I made enough to buy it, but when I went to do that I saw that I failed to consider Rockstar would gouge me for interior design. Only the most expensive will do for this particular structure. The polished marble sort of look. So that meant I was still half a million short doh! Back to work.

Made about 600k running contacts. The great thing is you can do them in invite, and can do them without being a CEO and avoid the daily fees, so it's straight up bank. Plus it's no grind since you can mix it up with so many choices for missions. The one I was running most is Lester's Denial of Service. You need to destroy a few trucks. The way I'm doing it is to go to a Pegasus spawn point, call my Buzzard, then just fly around lobbing rockets at the targets. So simple, there's little opposition (occasional wanted level from collateral damage, and NPCs on foot) and was paying 40k. Gotta get Oden to ride along for the extra 10% plus he can operate the secondary weapons for additional mayhem and destruction.

Another one I ran a few times was Defender, where you fly escort in a Buzzard for another NPC helicopter. Escort him from LSIA to Sandy Shores for 40k. Need to fight off a number of NPC helos, but it's pretty easy.

Chopper Tail has been the highest paying one I've run, at 45k. Even better, it was giving over 9000 RP. I went from rank 94 to 100 just running contact missions last night. And now I get the turbo option for my cars and bikes. Zoom zoom.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 03/02/19 03:01 PM

$15 on Steam

https://store.steampowered.com/app/271590/Grand_Theft_Auto_V/


I'm buying it if I can talk my best bud to do so. Might/probably will buy it even if he doesn't biggrin
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 03/02/19 03:08 PM

It's a hell of a lot of content for 15 bucks I tell ya. You have the whole single player side of the game which I think is excellent. And then throw in the online side and I've gotten even more play time out of that, with no signs of slowing down. YMMV.

If you get it and want to hook up let us know. Your east coast status dovetails nicely smile
Posted By: HitchHikingFlatlander

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 04/12/19 02:15 AM

Have a friended a few of you guys and look forward to meeting up with you at some point. Gaming time has been a little sparse for me lately, coupled with being pacific time zone. Hopefully will see you online at some point this is an outstanding good time with friends online! And technically I'm a transplanted East Coaster, born in Brooklyn, NY not East LA!
Posted By: KRT_Bong

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 04/12/19 06:40 PM

My Name in game is KurtBong, I'm usually on in the morning and sometimes after Midnight EST due to my work schedule I make a lot of races which can be found on the social club webpage
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 04/12/19 07:00 PM

I stopped playing beginning of March since I couldn't find enough people to play with. I wanted to do the heists but getting four people together proved beyond my abilities.

I just built a new PC this week so reinstalled GTA and have been having a go in story mode once again. I changed the name to smokeless6 so that's me in case it wasn't clear.

If we can get 3 plus me to do heists I am in.
Posted By: HitchHikingFlatlander

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 04/21/19 03:42 AM

I hear you DBond, always tough getting the right people online at the right time. In addition to my Social Club name my steam name is HitchHikingFlatlander if you guys want to add me there too. KRT_Bong, I think I've d/l'ed your races, I'm a big fan of the stunt tracks!
Posted By: DBond

Re: So I decided to play GTA V - 04/22/19 07:35 PM

The game is a lot of fun, I've had a great time with it both story mode and online. Managed to get my online level almost to 120 which is the final unlock level before I stopped.

For me I want to play with players that have the same mindset. Some folks play with sirens and explosions as the background music. I like more chill. I also despise the Jetsons stuff which has no place in this game for me. Deluxos, Oppressors, Up and Atomizers and that sort of thing ruin the game. Normally I would dismiss such claims. "Ruin" the game? But yeah, these things suck and I would play in a server that locked these things out in a heartbeat.

Online, I want to run missions, do business stuff, keep a low profile. Love flying helos on this map. Love the cars and the bikes. The properties. I bought a gorgeous office garage and filled it with amazing whips and have no one to show it off to smile

Big fan of street racing, but hate stunt racing. Enjoy the golf. Amazing game world in GTA 5. Finding someone who wants to play this way isn't easy. Folks seem to gravitate toward the flying motorcycles and general mayhem which just makes me roll my eyes.

Heists are what I have missed out on so far. Still holding out hope to run these with a group that actually wants to do them well. I'll keep tabs on this thread just in case....
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