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To The Moon Alice!!

Posted By: F4UDash4

To The Moon Alice!! - 09/14/18 03:34 AM

Well, I guess there is a chance that this thus far unnamed person is an Alice wink

SpaceX booked 'world's first' private passenger for a BFR Moon trip

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1040397262248005632



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Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/14/18 03:42 AM

According to Musk comment on Twitter, in response to a question asked, the BFR shown is an updated version compared to what has previously been seen. The tail fins appear to have been redesigned, I would guess they now house the landing legs. There is also something protruding from the side of the spacecraft but near the nose:

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Posted By: Khai

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/14/18 09:39 AM

Phaser cannon *nods* will be sold later by the boring company in a limited edition
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/14/18 10:28 AM

Maybe the passenger is Heywood Floyd?
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/14/18 12:47 PM

It's being reported that someone asked Musk on twitter if HE was the passenger, and that he replied with a Japanese flag icon.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/14/18 11:25 PM



https://youtu.be/Yy82MwITw34
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/15/18 02:28 AM

Meh, Mars is more interesting.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/15/18 11:23 AM

My how jaded we have become. Now I understand the scene in the movie "Apollo 13" where they were doing the live broadcast from the spacecraft but none of the networks would carry it.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/15/18 01:33 PM

Nah, not jaded, just more, "been there done that" and the desire to shoot for something bigger. Interest in the space program has nearly died over the last decade and a half, which is both sad and alarming. See, mankind needs to branch out into space before we inevitably kill ourselves. We're destined to our trial by fire. Best way to avoid this? Colonize other worlds. We know we can reach the Moon and return, so Mars is the next logical step. We learn things by solving harder and harder problems, so progression rather than regression are beneficial paths to strive for--and more inspirational. smile
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/15/18 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Nah, not jaded, just more, "been there done that" and the desire to shoot for something bigger.



jad·ed
adjective
tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of something.

Yep we made 6 landings on the moon all of which were almost 50 years ago, exploring a total of a few square miles of a body that has the surface area equal to north america, so we have "been there and done that".

I suppose that's what everyone should have said after the first few excursions to the "new world" a few hundred years ago. Of course If we did send a few expeditions to mars it would not take long for some people to then say "been there and done that" about the red planet as well.


Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Interest in the space program has nearly died over the last decade and a half, which is both sad and alarming.


Odd that you feel that way given your previously expressed "been there done that" above.


Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
See, mankind needs to branch out into space before we inevitably kill ourselves. We're destined to our trial by fire. Best way to avoid this? Colonize other worlds. We know we can reach the Moon and return, so Mars is the next logical step. We learn things by solving harder and harder problems, so progression rather than regression are beneficial paths to strive for--and more inspirational. smile


Mars isn't the be all and end all, there are other destinations in space that deserve our attention, and the moon is one of them.
Posted By: adlabs6

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/15/18 05:37 PM

The idea of a moon base still holds huge appeal for me. Especially now in the era of corporate space ventures.

Mars is cool and all, and likely more advantageous from a purely scientific perspective. But taking a trip to a moon base offers some distinct advantages, IMO. First, the spectacle of seeing the Earth overhead during your stay. And secondly, a trip can could be managed with a month or two, like a long cruise vacation, and back to living life. Not quite as all-absorbing as a multi-year endeavor to Mars, where you'd probably need to give power of legal and tax matters to a guardian, during your multi-year absence from all things Earthly. Not to mention needing income earning ability while you are not present and completely unavailable for years.

Either will probably offer lots of interest, though.
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/15/18 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by F4UDash4

Mars isn't the be all and end all, there are other destinations in space that deserve our attention, and the moon is one of them.


The moon is a waste of time. Mars is inspirational. The moon is not. Space needs to inspire.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/15/18 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by F4UDash4

Mars isn't the be all and end all, there are other destinations in space that deserve our attention, and the moon is one of them.


The moon is a waste of time. Mars is inspirational. The moon is not. Space needs to inspire.


Not to YOU apparently, however Elon Musk has someone willing to pay tens of millions of dollars to go there so the moon IS inspirational to many..
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/16/18 03:00 AM

So you seriously can tell me with a straight face that going to the Moon is cooler than sending a man to Mars?
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/16/18 03:23 AM

I don't think national space policy should be based on "cool". But even if it were there is room to do both the coolest as well as the second, third coolest and so forth.
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/16/18 03:32 AM

Mr. Blastman, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Sure , Mars is interesting, and should be explored / exploited to the degree it becomes feasible. That doesn't really detract from the potential benefits of returning to the moon, and possibly exploiting it, too.

Neither of those are trivial pursuits, and in fact going back to the moon could provide useful support to efforts aimed at Mars. I applaud efforts aimed at both destinations, particularly the ones that aren't costing the taxpayers to fund. You want to talk about "cool" ? People doing any of this with private (instead of taxpayer) funds is cool !!
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/16/18 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by F4UDash4
I don't think national space policy should be based on "cool". But even if it were there is room to do both the coolest as well as the second, third coolest and so forth.


Answer the question, don't dance around. Very simple: In your eyes, is going to the Moon cooler than sending a man to Mars?


@ Cyber: The private part is pretty cool, yes. I have my doubts, however, at the Moon being useful for Mars in the near-term. Maybe over hundreds of years, because by then we could establish mining, smelting, fabricating and manufacturing operations around the Moon for creation of permanent spacecraft.

Space is about pushing limits, same as explorers of old going across the seas to discover the unknown. America wasn't useful when it was first discovered--it was dangerous. But it was inspirational enough to inspire a few brave Europeans hundreds of years later to flee their homelands for something better. Space needs inspiration. It needs to capture young minds. It needs to be cooler than whatever the idiotic topic du jour is such as stupid stars in hollywood or silly folks who are worth hundreds of millions because they're pretty(not going to name names for the sake of them showing up in a Google search). Space needs to capture hearts and minds and bring the focus back to the things that matter: science, exploration, human triumph and achievement; men and women working together to do the impossible.

That's space.

Save practicality for later, when we've won their hearts and minds and changed the direction of history for the better.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/16/18 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
I don't think national space policy should be based on "cool". But even if it were there is room to do both the coolest as well as the second, third coolest and so forth.


Answer the question, don't dance around.


Don't tell me how to reply. Done with you.
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/16/18 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
@ Cyber: The private part is pretty cool, yes. I have my doubts, however, at the Moon being useful for Mars in the near-term. Maybe over hundreds of years, because by then we could establish mining, smelting, fabricating and manufacturing operations around the Moon for creation of permanent spacecraft.


There is long-term useful, but there is also short-term useful. Equipment and procedures need to be tested and refined along the way. We didn't get men on to the moon by jumping immediately into an Apollo Command / Lunar / Service Module design and heading out to the moon. All sorts of things needed to be tried, learned from, and tweaked or redesigned. Spacewalking, for example, turned out to be much harder than anticipated. Even during the ISS era, we have come close to killing an astronaut. Even the Apollo 10 mission discovered something that was important to Apollo 11's success.

New endeavors will benefits from previous lessons learned, but there will be new things to be tested and refined. It would appear that may be especially true for privately funded endeavors such as what SpaceX aims to do.

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Space is about pushing limits, same as explorers of old going across the seas to discover the unknown. America wasn't useful when it was first discovered--it was dangerous. But it was inspirational enough to inspire a few brave Europeans hundreds of years later to flee their homelands for something better. Space needs inspiration. It needs to capture young minds. It needs to be cooler than whatever the idiotic topic du jour is such as stupid stars in hollywood or silly folks who are worth hundreds of millions because they're pretty(not going to name names for the sake of them showing up in a Google search). Space needs to capture hearts and minds and bring the focus back to the things that matter: science, exploration, human triumph and achievement; men and women working together to do the impossible.

That's space.

Save practicality for later, when we've won their hearts and minds and changed the direction of history for the better.


Space exploration is certainly inspirational, and for manned missions it is certainly dangerous. It is also very expensive. Practicality has to be designed in right from the start due to those costs. We are no longer in an era of national sentiment consisting of fear of a Soviet Union, that was willing to finance Apollo. SpaceX, et al, have to face the bottom line with their decisions, too (Arguably even more so). Depending upon whose program/equipment is being used, and the nature of its funding, it may make sense to return to the moon before going to Mars. If some billionaire tourist(s) see fit to fund trips to, or at least around the moon, that looks like a good deal for a private outfit like SpaceX. Evidently, there are some people sufficiently inspired by a trip around the moon enough that they are willing to spend their own money to do it (At least one, any ways). I sincerely doubt you will be hearing any "Meh" like sentiments from them.
Posted By: Khai

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/17/18 05:17 AM

Cooler is not part of this mission.

The moon gives us water (fuel, shielding, oxygen, drinking), a stable base, power generation, etc.

If you only base your thinking on "gee is it cool?" then you will fail
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/17/18 10:23 AM

Latest images of the BFR:

https://mashable.com/article/spacex-bfr-pictures-elon-musk/#hmfLuYGnrZqd
Posted By: NH2112

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/17/18 10:26 AM

Please tell me “BFR” stands for what I think it stands for.
Posted By: No105_Archie

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/17/18 12:12 PM

what else could it be but Big Farking Rocket biggrin
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/17/18 01:09 PM

Officially "Big Falcon Rocket", unofficially is a bit more risque.

Also the first stage and/or the complete vehicle (ie first and second stage in launch configuration) is actually considered the BFR, the second stage that goes to the moon, or Mars or wherever (it's designed to go and land just about anywhere in the solar system) is the "BFS" or "Big Falcon Spaceship"
Posted By: Mr_Blastman

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/17/18 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Khai
Cooler is not part of this mission.

The moon gives us water (fuel, shielding, oxygen, drinking), a stable base, power generation, etc.

If you only base your thinking on "gee is it cool?" then you will fail


By your logic, we would have never visited the moon in the first place. After all, there was nothing practical about visiting the rock in the 60s, beyond proving we could do it and were better than the Russians.

Man can and should push the limits. The clock is ticking. Eventually we will blow ourselves up.
Posted By: Khai

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/17/18 04:55 PM

No by my logic we got there and back alive.

We have to go anyway to space. Our resources are not infinite.

I just object to the "cool" factor being the reason.
Posted By: CyBerkut

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/17/18 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by Khai
Cooler is not part of this mission.

The moon gives us water (fuel, shielding, oxygen, drinking), a stable base, power generation, etc.

If you only base your thinking on "gee is it cool?" then you will fail


By your logic, we would have never visited the moon in the first place. After all, there was nothing practical about visiting the rock in the 60s, beyond proving we could do it and were better than the Russians.


That wasn't merely a matter of doing something "cool". Proving we could respond to Russian achievements and surpass them was much more important than just doing something cool. When Sputnik started orbiting overhead, millions of Americans understood the potential threat that capability represented.

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman

Man can and should push the limits. The clock is ticking. Eventually we will blow ourselves up.


Well, it's easy to set goals with somebody else's money.

I would like to see mankind become a multi-planetary species. I hope that somebody can find a way to make that practical.

As for safeguarding the human species, for virtually any scenario short of splitting the planet into smaller pieces, anything that could be done on Mars could have an equivalent done on earth much more easily and less costly. Nonetheless, I would like to see humans get to Mars, colonize and exploit it.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/18/18 01:34 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu7WJD8vpAQ
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/18/18 01:36 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusaku_Maezawa


https://dearmoon.earth/
Posted By: Docjonel

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/19/18 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
So you seriously can tell me with a straight face that going to the Moon is cooler than sending a man to Mars?


I think going to Europa or Titan is cooler than going to Mars. Does that prove we should go to those places and not Mars?
No, of course not. We need to start establishing viable long term off Earth bases. The moon is the logical place to start. Infrastructure can be sent and constructed much more quickly and frequently. Many more expeditions can be sent there much more easily than to Mars. I think a lunar base would be way cool and doesn't require putting a huge amount of resources into a single long term mission that, if it fails, puts the entire endeavor in jeopardy.
Of course I would love to see settlements established on Mars eventually as well, but see that as a much longer term project.
Posted By: Dart

Re: To The Moon Alice!! - 09/19/18 05:26 AM

If we can't make a go at a Moon Base, there's no way in hell we can make a go of it on Mars. They are equally inhospitable to life. The thin atmosphere of Mars is no better than the vacuum of the Moon.



Then again, we must be careful not to spook the elephants with our rockets. They might lose their footing on the turtles and tip the Earth over.

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