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USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located

Posted By: F4UDash4

USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 04:52 PM

WRECKAGE FROM USS INDIANAPOLIS LOCATED IN PHILIPPINE SEA

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Posted By: rwatson

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 07:42 PM

That's great..Hopefully national geo or somebody will give us a look someday,,I have a book Lost Ships of Guadalcanal and it's fascinating
Posted By: JimK

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 07:45 PM

Been following Paul Allen`s posts on facebook and see all kinds of new photos posted of the find. He paid for the search.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 07:48 PM

Pictures from https://www.facebook.com/PaulGAllen.Ideas/

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Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 07:53 PM

Radioman 2nd Arthur Cecil Trotter. Lost at sea in sinking of USS Indianapolis. My father's cousin.

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Posted By: oldgrognard

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 08:21 PM

That's quite a depth. The pressure at that depth always amazes me.
Posted By: 462cid

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 09:28 PM

Fictional account, yet powerful:

"Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into her side, Chief. We was comin’ back from the island of Tinian to Leyte. We’d just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes.

Didn’t see the first shark for about a half-hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin’ from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn’t know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn’t even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin’ by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the shark come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin’ and hollerin’ and sometimes that shark he go away… but sometimes he wouldn’t go away.

Sometimes that shark looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a shark is he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn’t even seem to be livin’… ’til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin’ and your hollerin’ those sharks come in and… they rip you to pieces.

You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don’t know how many sharks there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin’, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson’s mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he’d been bitten in half below the waist.

At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol’ fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin’ for my turn. I’ll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945.

Anyway, we delivered the bomb.”
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by 462cid
What we didn’t know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent.


Yeah, definitely fictional. First of all, the secret mission had been completed. Secondly even if it had not been yet completed mission secrecy would be no reason to not send a distress signal once the ship was sinking.

And finally, a distress call was sent:

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Posted By: Robbster

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 10:00 PM

Especially fascinating considering less than 3 months ago on May 25th, the wreck of Japanese submarine I-58 that sunk USS Indianapolis was discovered.
Posted By: 462cid

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/19/17 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by 462cid
What we didn’t know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent.


Yeah, definitely fictional. First of all, the secret mission had been completed. Secondly even if it had not been yet completed mission secrecy would be no reason to not send a distress signal once the ship was sinking.

And finally, a distress call was sent:




Only meant to highlight the sacrifice of the men aboard the ship.

The account was made up by actor Robert Shaw, from the movie Jaws. I didn't write it; I understand what happened. It's just a powerful mental image.
Posted By: wheelsup_cavu

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/20/17 02:33 AM

Edgar Harrell, USS Indianapolis Survivor



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Posted By: Mad Max

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/20/17 02:48 AM

I have mixed feelings on these things. I think they are war graves to be respected as such. The exact locations should never be released.
Posted By: NH2112

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/20/17 03:06 AM

It's my understanding that the location will be kept secret. It's a shame that has to be the case.

There's a documentary called "Return to the USS Atlanta: Defender of Guadalcanal" that some of you may have scene, with footage of a crew diving on the wreck on the bottom of Ironbottom Sound interspersed with interviews of survivors. The wreck was treated with the highest level of respect as it deserves, and the whole thing was very touching.
Posted By: wheelsup_cavu

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/20/17 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by NH2112
It's my understanding that the location will be kept secret. It's a shame that has to be the case.

There's a documentary called "Return to the USS Atlanta: Defender of Guadalcanal" that some of you may have scene, with footage of a crew diving on the wreck on the bottom of Ironbottom Sound interspersed with interviews of survivors. The wreck was treated with the highest level of respect as it deserves, and the whole thing was very touching.

I have heard the same thing but I doubt it will remain secret for very long. Imo there are already enough clues in the article for someone else with enough money to go searching for the location. It's depth should keep it fairly safe from salvage operations though. It is close to a mile deeper than the Titanic.

Titanic - 12,500 feet deep
Indianapolis - 18,000 feet deep


Wheels
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/20/17 03:54 AM

Shocked at how well preserved she appears to be in the photos. The first picture I saw when this was announced earlier today was of the white storage box with USS Indianapolis clearly printed on it's side, I was sure it was a fake it was so clear looking.
Posted By: rwatson

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/20/17 10:28 AM

F4 thanks for the first pictures and S!! to Radioman 2nd Arthur Cecil Trotter and all the crew members may they RIP !
Posted By: Raw Kryptonite

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/20/17 11:26 PM

I thought it was remarkably well preserved too. The number was very clear, a bell looked untouched, lots of items just seemed like it was just recently sunk.
Gotta admit, Jaws popped into mind immediately for me too. That's a good side effect of a good movie--how many people are aware of what happened to those poor men thanks to the movie that otherwise wouldn't have known?
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/21/17 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Raw Kryptonite

Gotta admit, Jaws popped into mind immediately for me too. That's a good side effect of a good movie--how many people are aware of what happened to those poor men thanks to the movie that otherwise wouldn't have known?



I had known that I was named for my father's cousin who died in WWII for as longs I can remember, but for some reason I had never asked any details. Then "Jaws" came out and the Indianapolis stories were in all the newspapers, and one day my father was reading one and he says "That was Cecil's ship", and I've been studying all I could find about her ever since.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/23/17 05:09 PM

https://www.facebook.com/themighty/videos/1156927151074402/
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 09/14/17 09:34 PM

PBS broadcast this last night:



https://youtu.be/CTki2sOnqJo
Posted By: rwatson

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 09/14/17 09:45 PM

Thanks F4 very good to watch
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 09/15/17 10:25 PM

Sonar scan of the USS Indianapolis wreck site. Note that the bow (upper right) is about a mile from the rest of her.

This is the resting place of the approximately 300 men who went down with her.

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Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 09/15/17 10:28 PM

Main gun turrets 1 and 2 dropped out of their barbettes when Indianapolis capsized and their locations are noted above. For some reason turret 3 did not drop free and is still in place.

Indianapolis would likely have survived had only the first torpedo hit severing the bow, several US cruisers lost their bows forward of number 1 turret and survived. But the second torpedo, hitting below the bridge, doomed her.
Posted By: Nixer

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 09/15/17 11:50 PM

Sitting in the water with a life jacket with sharks EATING your friends...

Can you imagine surviving that and dealing with some phsrink telling you how you should feel?
Posted By: Master

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 09/16/17 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Mad Max
I have mixed feelings on these things. I think they are war graves to be respected as such. The exact locations should never be released.


Most of these wrecks are being scavenged illegally for pre nuke steel. I'd say in a generation or so they will all be gone.
Posted By: cichlidfan

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 09/16/17 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Master
Originally Posted by Mad Max
I have mixed feelings on these things. I think they are war graves to be respected as such. The exact locations should never be released.


Most of these wrecks are being scavenged illegally for pre nuke steel. I'd say in a generation or so they will all be gone.


In the case of this one, I would think the depth (3.5 miles) will protect it from a lot of potential disturbance.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 11/02/17 03:32 PM

WWII veteran among last who survived sinking of USS Indianapolis dies at 95

Only 18 remain.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 03/22/18 03:08 PM

Only 17 remain.

Sam Lopez, 93, of Monongah, passed away March 20, 2018
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/09/18 05:08 PM

No obituary available yet but Ensign Harlan Twible passed yesterday at 96.

Only 16 remain.


https://youtu.be/r5U28hFNQ_k
Posted By: PanzerMeyer

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/09/18 05:12 PM

RIP
Posted By: wheelsup_cavu

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/09/18 05:27 PM

RIP Harlan, may you finally know peace.


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Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 06/09/18 02:11 AM

Survivors Luis Kayo Erwin of Tennessee and John Woolston of Hawaii, both 93 years old, joined their lost shipmates on June 7, 2018.

Only 14 USS Indianapolis sinking survivors remain.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 07/28/18 05:23 PM

Moral Lessons From the Crucible of the Sea
By Doug Stanton

Each summer, as Lake Michigan finally begins to warm, I think of the men of the World War II cruiser Indianapolis and the worst disaster at sea in United States naval history. I go down to the lake and I wonder: How would I have survived what they experienced?

I don’t know the answer, but it’s the asking of the question that helps me recalibrate what could be called my moral compass.

On July 30, 1945, just over a month before the end of the war, the ship was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine. It sank in 12 minutes. Of the 1,195 men on board, only 316 were alive when help arrived four and a half days later. Headlines of the disaster deeply disturbed Americans: How could this have happened so close to the war’s end?

Today, only 14 of those men are still living, and each July they meet in Indianapolis for a reunion, as they have periodically since 1960, to gather around memories of shipmates who were lost at sea and those survivors who have recently passed away.

According to the Department of Veterans Affairs, over 16 million Americans served in World War II, and of those, about 497,000 are with us today, in our neighborhoods, at our grocery stores and family gatherings. Around 400 are dying a day, meaning that sometime within this generation, all will be deceased.

I suspect that we’ll feel, then, that the 20th century has truly ended.

We’ll no longer be able to walk up to the gentleman we spy on our way from the dairy case to the quinoa, wearing a hat bearing the insignia of a World War II unit, and shake the hand of someone who fought Hitler. That connection with the past is especially important when many Americans are flirting with the poisonous ideas our grandfathers and great-grandfathers battled in Europe and the Pacific.

When I first met the survivors of the Indianapolis in 1999 while writing a book about them, their story, the last major action of World War II, was rarely mentioned in high school textbooks. This is despite the fact that, before its torpedoing, the ship had delivered components of the atomic bomb Little Boy to Tinian Island. The bomb parts were packed in a plywood case whose contents the sailors tried vainly to guess, having no idea their ship was delivering the atom to modern warfare.

As the men floated in the sea, they were blinded by sun, hounded by hallucinations, thirst and hunger, attacked by sharks and beset, finally, by the realization that no one was coming to rescue them. Some of them purposefully swam away to die, feeling all hope was lost. Others surrendered to the moment but did not give up, an important distinction. While still certain that rescue would never come, they carried on, assisting struggling shipmates even when it didn’t seem to matter. By becoming selfless, they apprehended who they were as individuals.

When they were miraculously rescued, having been spotted by a 24-year-old pilot named Chuck Gwinn, whom in later years they affectionately called their “angel,” they felt they had been reborn. The second half of the 20th century was powered by this restless energy, possessed by millions of other Americans also returning from war. When I ask the survivors about this ordeal’s effect on their lives, they consistently remark that since their rescue, they’ve “never had a bad day.”

Reflecting on their struggle to survive feels instructive. When I look at Lake Michigan each July, I imagine the men of the Indianapolis visible on the horizon; dark heads, struggling arms, a cry and whirl of a world being remade. I feel an overwhelming sense of sadness, accompanied by a desire to yell out that they will be rescued. At the same time, I know that many were rescued. But the sadness always comes.

What I feel I’m watching, in my mind’s eye, is the work of people struggling to stay alive and, in the process, struggling with what it means to be a moral person, even after they emerged from the crucible of the sea.

Capt. Charles McVay of the Indianapolis was court-martialed, making him the only captain in American history to be court-martialed for losing his ship in an act of war. Giles McCoy, a founder of the U.S.S. Indianapolis Survivors Organization, promised his captain that the Navy one day would exonerate him. But in 1968, outside his stately home in Litchfield, Conn., Captain McVay took his own life.

The survivors and other advocates struggled for years to clear Captain McVay’s name. When I asked Mr. McCoy why his shipmates stood behind Captain McVay, he said, “The skipper never blamed anyone but himself.” This is despite the fact that the Japanese submarine commander who had sunk the ship, Mochitsura Hashimoto, testified during the court-martial that there was nothing Captain McVay could have done to stop it.

Captain McVay, steadfast in his own moral universe, believed otherwise. Forgive yourself, we want to say, but we know he won’t. His sense of duty was profound, and the survivors’ efforts to clear his name can be heard as an elegiac counterpoint to his suffering. Finally, on July 13, 2001, 56 years after the ship’s sinking, the Navy announced that Captain McVay was not culpable for the disaster.

Last night I swam out beyond the buoys, looked up at the sky and felt the dark, pliable hand of the night water take hold. I do this every year: Five minutes floating alone in the dark, unable to touch bottom, is the barest glimpse of the ordeal that those 316 men of the Indianapolis survived. But I recommend it.

Swim out where the bottom swoops to the deep and dog-paddle. Even though you’re certain you’re safe, the mind skips a beat. I promise, you’ll tell yourself: Tomorrow will be a good day.


Doug Stanton (@DougStantonBook) is the author of “The Odyssey of Echo Company,” “In Harm’s Way” and “Horse Soldiers.”
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/01/18 12:46 AM

Seventy three years ago today the survivors of USS Indianapolis have been in the water for almost 48 hours. The still have at least 36 more hours to go before being spotted. Hundreds that have survived until this point will not live that long.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/01/18 10:24 AM



https://youtu.be/dnZL7ser5v0
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/01/18 10:35 PM

"August 1st: The sun sets, darkening the sky and the Indianapolis survivors' morale with each passing swell. After nearly 64 hours adrift hallucinations swirl among the men. Fear rises and expresses itself through distrust and violence. A few men lash out against their brothers, mistaking them for mortal enemies. Threatened by the sharks below, by the men floating nearby, and by their own minds within, darkness falls on the group. This is the worst night so far, and the realization that the Navy has forgotten them begins to take root."


https://www.facebook.com/USSIndiana...741827.223780414341632/1938400526212937/
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/10/18 04:49 PM



USS Indianapolis survivor receives an honorary promotion after decades
Posted By: wheelsup_cavu

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 08/13/18 04:54 AM


thumbsup

I also posted him telling about his ordeal earlier in this thread.
Edgar Harrell, USS Indianapolis Survivor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOAg3wCkOkI


Wheels
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 01/10/19 02:40 AM

New PBS program on Indianapolis, excellent.

http://www.pbs.org/uss-indianapolis/home/

I've been reading about this tragedy, watching these TV specials and have meet several of the survivors over the past 40+ years that I've been researching USS Indianapolis but it seems it gets harder to watch not easier. The tears flowed a couple of times tonight.
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 02/10/19 06:34 PM

USS Indianapolis survivor Dale Krueger has passed.

Only 13 remain.

http://norfolkdailynews.com/news/su...3be5b9a-2e11-11e9-915b-3f2d54c45618.html
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/19/19 03:01 AM

Only 12 remain.

USS Indianapolis Survivor Richard Stephens was 92 years old when he passed earlier today.

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Posted By: wheelsup_cavu

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/19/19 04:15 AM

Time takes no prisoners. frown
RIP Richard.


Wheels
Posted By: KraziKanuK

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/19/19 05:16 AM

Yes more and more pass every day.

wheels have you made a model of the Indy?
Posted By: wheelsup_cavu

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/19/19 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Yes more and more pass every day.

wheels have you made a model of the Indy?

No, Did I say something that gave that impression? cool
I haven't built any models since my early teens and I am fairly certain it was a B-29.


Wheels
Posted By: KraziKanuK

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/19/19 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by wheelsup_cavu
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Yes more and more pass every day.

wheels have you made a model of the Indy?

No, Did I say something that gave that impression? cool
I haven't built any models since my early teens and I am fairly certain it was a B-29.


Wheels


wheels, brain fart as I meant to say F4U. :duh :blush blush : :
Posted By: F4UDash4

Re: USS Indianapolis (CA-35) Located - 04/20/19 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Originally Posted by wheelsup_cavu
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Yes more and more pass every day.

wheels have you made a model of the Indy?

No, Did I say something that gave that impression? cool
I haven't built any models since my early teens and I am fairly certain it was a B-29.


Wheels


wheels, brain fart as I meant to say F4U. :duh :blush blush : :



I did years ago. I have a 1/350 Academy model of Indy now but I don't plan on building it until I can do it right.
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