Red BAron 3D Newbie Info

Salute! Saludo! Gruß! Salut! Saluto! saudação! from RB3D Recruiting Officers

Come fly the skies of WW1, in Red Baron 3D!
When men were made of steel and planes were made of wood!
Hear your opponent grunt if wounded or scream if you shoot him in the head. Have your wings pop of if you over stress them, black out if too many G's are pulled, deal with gun jams, all the while looking at your opponent from mere feet away. Learn to take advantage of each planes strengths or weaknesses and how to exploit your enemies. Whether you live or die an honorable Salute is given.

Brief history
Red Baron a WW1 flight simulation that has been around since 1992 RB, 1995 RBII, 1998 RB3D.

Today
There are approximately 700 players who play RB3D in over 50 squads? On average you will find 30 to 50 players online at any time of the day or night from all nations and back grounds, as well as 30-40 servers of all descriptions and FM's. You can either join a squad or fly as an independent.

Getting Started
http://www.wings-of-valor.org/
RB3D Newbie page
SWWisa

RB3D for sale
http://www.interactcd.com/ Under war games http://www.cdaccess.com/html/quick/redbar3dpr.htm
http://www.sold-out.co.uk/soldout/products/redbaron.html
Gametz used

There is a no CD work around. Click 6 six times on the top right maltease cross insert cd icon.

Visit the newbie section on WOV.

You will need the 1078 patch to see servers online. Available here Wings of Valor
Also if you have RBII get super patch here Wings of Valor

Hardware
Minimum
Pentium 133
32 MBs RAM
140 MB Hard Drive Space**
Mouse
SVGA 256 colors
2X CD-ROM

Recommended
Pentium 233MHz
48 MB Ram
300 MB Hard Drive Space**
Mouse
SVGA 256 colors
8X CD-ROM
Windows Compatible Sound Card
Joystick
28.8 modem for MMP


For best graphics it is best to have a voodoo card. Either direct or by using a voodoo 2 with SLI patch through cable. But it works fine in OpenGL or Direct draw, just the graphics are a bit poor until you install the terrain patches.
There are some glide wrappers out there which are being improved each day. This one is about 99% perfected.
Glidos.net


Operating System
WinXP Win2K
Does present some problems, its nothing that hasn't been addressed in this document.
http://www.wings-of-valor.org/files/documents/xpworkarounds.pdf
Also you may run into some other problems which need to be addressed on an individual basis due to hardware. These are best addressed at the WOV forum everyone will be glad to help you.

Enhancements combined
Most patches and enhancements can be reached by going to the files section at http://www.wings-of-valor.org/
Western Front Patch Modified AFM FM/DM
Promised Land comb graphics
Rens combined terrain, sounds, planes patches
Flanders in Flames modified AFM FM/DM additional planes
[url= ]http://www.rhoag.com/] On The Edge graphics by CD 8.50-10$US[/url]
Midnite Mike modified FM
Revenge of the Jasta’s
Berry’s campaign manager etc
KFM weird and wacky Flight Model. I don’t know of a link?

Paints
Since its release over 4000 paints either for squads of freelancers have been created and are available for use at either http://www.flybert.net/ or http://www.rbwarpaints.com/
With 22 planes and 190 paint schemes available to be created and used either for personal or squads making a whopping 4180 total paints available.


Sound enhancements
Blue Max theme music at WOV
Promised Land enhanced sounds

Terrain/SP campaign enhancements
Sir Alesi’s Island mountains
Devils Island
Italian front
Russian Civil War
Middle East Patch
On The Edge graphics on CD for 8.50-10$US

Links
Red Baron web ring


Organized Events
There are a number of organized events available for squad members either in Normal Flight Mode NFM or Advanced flight Mode AFM plus an additional selection of modified FM's DM's FIF, KFM and GW to name a few. If you like co-op RB3D is the place to be

RBGL Red Baron Gaming League 3rd annual
RBWL Red Baron World League 4th annual
Flanders in Flames modified AFM
Speed Cup race
GW Great War in its 5th annual
War Forces
Strategic Air War
Saturday Night Fights
Rhinebeck meeting place of 4th annual real world meeting
One Life to Live
Hunters of the Sky
Combat Air Patrol
Air War
There are too many others to mention them all, not to mention all of the individual squadron challenges.

Servers Its free!
You can either run your own or join in with others.
The possibilities for server setups are limitless.
You have a choice of two Flight model’s Advanced FM or Normal FM (not to mention all of the newly created FM's KFM, FIF, WFP etc).

Each FM has three different settings Novice, Veteran. or Ace.

There are four different server types.
Melee, Team melee, Team target melee, or get the baron where you can choose the number of barons at will. Also Rens has created a new Real Front server RFS for balloon busting.
Rens Real Front Balloon busting
You will also find a new security enhancement at Rens site it is required for some servers.

You can add or subtract targets to create a map of your choosing or select from the different target densities settings of sparse, medium, dense or full. You also have a choice of 4 map sizes small, medium, large and full. With 4 maps too choose from Island, Alsace, Flanders, and Marne.

You can set up progressive wars by date or if you like have all planes available.
No longer need to bomb in turn. New server logging program records all destroyed trgts.
New server log distiller easily allows you to correlate scores

There is a great server setup utility here at Wings of Valor with graphical interface

Edited to add more links

[This message has been edited by Red Baron RO's (edited 10-25-2002).]

That is the new PL Graphics package........The one everyone is waiting on.

Where i can download this western patch on there main site it not working

They are currently having server trouble.

You can get this one, though.......

http://benchmarksims.com/ROTJ/rotj.htm

It's not as elaborate, but should keep you occupied until WFP is working again.

Thnx i will try this .

[This message has been edited by Clostermann (edited 09-30-2002).]

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There are about 2900 schemes in my MP Paint collection .. and really those are just a small part of http://www.flybert.net , the largest and most visited website for Red Baron enhancements and tools.

At least *most* of Promised Land should be out this week , I'm working with Kessler on some last little technical details today.

Check out http://www.swwisa.net , the home organisation of most RB modders.

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Can someone pls educate me on the various patches and what they do? I have spent the whole morning browsing the varius web sites and I am none the wiser. In fact, I'm quite confused!
Thanks.

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Zero Niner, out.

Here, go here and download the PL All Seasons Superpatch. it covers everything in the game except Planes/squads.

http://www.wingwalkers.org/jasta1/newplmain.htm

Hi Kess
Thanks for the pointer. I browsed the site, and it seems to me that the PL UOP is mainly a graphics patch, in that it improves the stock terrain & objects?

I was wondering if there was a "realism patch" (Beery's superpatch is one, I think) that corrects flight models, damage models, inaccuracies in the game etc.

Still very confused...

It all depends on what your looking for. The PL patch cover all buildings/objects, taerrains in all seasons, sky/clouds, FX, sound effects, and so on. Future versions will cover planes/squads, flight models, damage effects, AI, and such.

If you run the current PL you could then run something like the western front patch to add in squads and planes and other neat campaign features. James Heltons Revenge of the Jasta's patch isnt truely compatible with the PL superpatch as he has several old PL graphics and the old PL soundpatch he put in his patch.

[This message has been edited by Kess (edited 11-09-2002).]

Updated added more links

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This would be a good site to add or a good blurb to include on how to patch the Valueline non-upgradeable version of RBII up to RB3D. http://www.billybishop.net/RedBaron3D/

You should put a warning beside "Sold Out" as their version of RB3D is hosed. Not even sure they have it available right now. Maybe they're fixing their version.

Thanks Hentzau

I wasn't sure who was selling what.

Here's the excerpt from the Billy Bishop site to upgrade the value line version.

How to UPGRADE the "VALUE LINE" Version of RBII to RB3D.

The next trick is for those of you who may have bought the Red Baron "2" game, and wish to upgrade it with the Super patch to RB3D.
These are the instructions to get your game to work that way.
1) Open the Registry Editor (run 'regedit')
2) Expand 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE'
3) Expand 'Software'
4) Expand 'Sierra On-Line'
5) Expand 'Red Baron 2'
6) Create a new key off of Sierra On-Line called 'Red Baron II'
7) Copy, word for word, every string in 'Red Baron 2' into 'Red Baron II'.
There is 'cddir', 'workdir', 'version' and another key named the same as the entry for 'version'.
8) Close the Registry Editor.
9) Run the Super Patch.
Credit for this one is to B. Massey.

edited spelling mistakes

[This message has been edited by Red Baron RO's (edited 11-11-2002).]

Wanna try a word association game I saw over at IL2, to try and put this post in the todays active topics. For recruiting purposes!

Red Baron 3D > Best Flight Sim

Best Flight Sim > Widows of RB society

Widow > maker

Sorry to butt in here...but next time you try to recruit someone for your sim, dont go and friggin spam EVERY damn board on this website with it.

That's totally bad manners. I get enough ads and trash in my inbox every day, I dont want to see RB3D posts in every sim forum on simHQ.

On the other hand, it was because of your posting in the Mig Alley forum that I decided to give RB3D a shot. I loved the original, but was put off by the need for 3dfx/glide support, since I have Nvidia cards. Browsing the sites, it looks like this may not be such a problem anymore. So I ordered the game. I hope the wrapper works!

Hey hentzau - That's what I have bought , so how is it no good? - Anything I can do about it?
Anyone got it to work?

TIA

What I have found to be my favourite setup is as follows.

1) PL complete patch installed as per instructions!!!!!! Please read the mans's instructions and you will have NO problems. Start with a new and clean RB install!!!!

2) Into Simpatch I put the WFP default paints so they replace those provided by PL. (Personal taste) The screen shots of some of those in the upcoming PL Version 2 may make me remove them though

3) Some of Dogsbreath sounds into simpatch. Personal taste. I prefer some of the PL sounds and others from dogsbreath.

4) The version 2 of all CDT's aircraft into simpatch as these have been correctly scaled.
I think the PL V 2 will include these by default so you won't need to install these later.

Remember, whatever you put into Simpatch will be read into memeory for use in the game, rather than any programe files or any mods in the PL VOL files.

You can always take them out or replace if you decide you prefer something else.

This is an exerpt from the Patching primer found on the newbie page. It briefly explains what each folder is used for.

Patch Folders info from patching primer
Simpatch
This is the default directory for patches. Any file put in here will be used ahead of all other files, in both single and multiplayer games. Files in Simpatch are used ahead of the same named file in Shellpat for SP; however, files in Multi will over-ride Simpatch for MMP.

Shellpat
This directory is only used by the single player game, so it is a good choice for e.g. flight and damage models, which will get you ejected from a server in MMP if you have changed them from stock. It is also a good choice for any date based patches, otherwise you will get some weird results in MMP. I had a lot of allies flying Siemens-Schuckerts at one point.

Multi
This directory is only used by the game for MMP. It over-rides Simpatch.

3Dpatch
This directory operates in much the same way as Simpatch, and is mainly used for 3D shapes and terrains. I don't really know why it is there; I use it solely for terrains. Though it works in both SP and MMP, I'm not sure if it over-rides the Shellpat and Multi folders or not.

Read the read me info in any patch this is just a brief explanation of the patching folders and what they do.

Campaign Manager required for some patches like WFP read the read me or FAQ on patches site



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Red Baron sites
Wings-of-valor
SWWisa
Wings of Honor
Delphi Red Baron
Forums
Flanders in Flames
Western Front Patch

Here is a partial list of some of the relevent Red Baron Forums out there. Boy we sure are spread out. Imagine if we all used one public forum with lots of exposure?

Some of these are well worth checking out if you are recruiting Especially the more public ones.

FORUMS
Delphi (all accessible by the my forums once added or related drop down)

FIF http://forums.delphiforums.com/fiffer/start

ROTJ2 http://forums.delphiforums.com/rotj2b/start
Where did this one go to?

Flight http://forums.delphiforums.com/flight/start

WFP http://forums.delphiforums.com/TheWesternFront/start

SWWisa http://forums.delphiforums.com/swwisa/start

Air War http://forums.delphiforums.com/airwar/start

Hanger http://forums.delphiforums.com/hanger/start

Red Baron http://forums.delphiforums.com/RedBaronArena/start

Sim HQ http://www.simhq.com

WOV http://www.wings-of-valor.org

WOH http://www.gemmrig.de/www.wingsofhonor.com/

WW1 http://www.ww1sims.com/

The AeroDrome http://www.theaerodrome.com/

EZboard http://www.ezboard.com/

Check Six French http://www.checksix-fr.com/


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http://www.jgs4.de

Happy New Year!

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Red Baron sites
Wings-of-valor
SWWisa
Wings of Honor
Delphi Forums FIF,WFP,RB,Flight,Air War,SWWisa

Time for a bump almost of the page

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http://www.jgs4.de
http://www.wings-of-valor.org
http://newbie.wings-of-valor.org
http://www.sqhq.net/
http://benchmarksims.com/ROTJ/rotj.htm
http://forums.delphiforums.com/swwisa/start Delphi forums, WFP, Flight, Red Baron, FIF, Air War

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Don't forget the new Hell's Angels - a compilation of many enhancements (graphics, flight models, skins) and probably the best single enhancement for newbies IMHO. Just add on a terrain upgrade and your good to go.

http://www.jamrom.com/hellsangels/

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Happy spring break!

And remeber you can download the whole game Here

...time for a bump...

Happy Easter Bump!

http://forums.prospero.com/mob2003/start

Salute!

I would just like to thank those involved in putting together the Hell's Angels HA S-UOP Super Un Official Patch.

http://www.jamrom.com/hellsangels/main.htm

This has to be one of the best UOP's released in recent history IMO.

Since I am a big MMP player I endeavored to find a way to use this great patch in MMP.

Eureka
I found the answer on http://www.flybert.net/ site in the form of MPstockdat http://www.flybert.net/genfiles/MPstockdat.zip to be placed in data/multi

"Avoid the effects of UOP SP enhancements in MMP , which in some cases can getting you "booted" with modified fm , dm or acspecs data files. By placing these stock files in your "Multi" folder , you shouldn't need to uninstall SP UOPs to fly on secure servers."

Thank-You one and all, SWWisa and Flybert for the tip. Great UOP.

FUB

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I was looking for a bit of info and thought this one was worth a bump again.

....and again!

What's the deal with the Sold Out software version of RB3D? I loved RB2 when I reviewed it for a local magazine, might pick this up since it's really cheap...

But does it work?

Dan

There are problems with installing the Sold Out version under Win XP. Possible solutions are explained here:-

http://www.jamrom.com/hellsangels/redbaron.htm

I picked up a cheap boxed version of RBII on Ebay and used the patch to upgrade to 3D.

Could some of the Red Baron vetrans give me an idea of the patch line-up that they actually use?

Many thanks

Moggy DCM

I use WFP installed over FCJ.

I use MissionGen to massage missions. I also use CM11's ability to set campaign dates to move through periods of relative inactivity more quickly while staying in periods of intense air activity longer. This makes my scoring pattern conform to historical aces.

Western Front Patch.
Rens' reduced PL terrain.
Greybeard's WFP FM with Zinteck's DM.
Steve's WFP gunsounds.
Other sounds, (engines, wind), that I took from HA.
Tom's Campaign Manager.

I also have a Hell's Angels patch install with the same terrain, Greybeard's FM for stock RB planes.

I use the dgVoodoo Glide wrapper in my Windows folder for all installs.

I use only the PL super patch (the one that predated FCJ) for terrain & objects plus Rens aircraft only .vol file, but I mostly fly MMP.

For SP I either use the FCJ or Hell's Angels or Western Front superpatches, each of which is stand-alone and complete. I sometimes add different aircraft sounds, which I culled from several patches. That's strictly personal preference, though and require use of CM11 (as does the date based WFP).
Hex

Thanks chaps, just wanted to see what patches and what order. Much appreciated.

Moggy DCM

Ooops! clumsy.

Once again.

Now that SimHQ has stickies might it be worth some of the experts here (Skiddmark, I'm looking at you. )updating this one to save us doing the ?

Gee, thanks, but I'm really no expert!
We may have "stickies" but no Forum Moderator for SIMHQ/RB3D that I know of, so there's no way to do it.
The original thread starter here is a good one, I also provide links in my sig for more great newbie info, and made up this quickie reference starter as well:
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=62;t=001278
A truly comprehensive list of everything available for RB3D does not exist.

Might want to change that Wings of valor link.

.org is a re-direct to some ad site.

This is the link people would want:

http://www.wings-of-valor.net

I see the original poster is unregistered. Could an admin change it?

S!

10x 4 wings-of-valor link, i long time got rb3d old version which was unpatched, now i got patched one, thank you very much

In case anyone's interested the website's now here > "Red Baron 3D" OnLine

I am completely new to red baron, can some one point me to a introduction page and recommend the best mods/patches to install?

i will me running the game on a relatively new PC with XP pro and nvidia 7800 sli graphics, will this cause a problem?
also i have been told the sold out version of red baron 3d is no good and i should get the origianl sierra version or even download a version for it to work correctly with hte patches and windows xp, can someone let me know which is the best one to use/get?

Did you check out the link posted above you? One of the better places to start.

ok thanks!
and with regard to the version of the game do i need the sold out one or the original sierra one or can u downloand it?(i will be running it on a xp machine?)

I actually think you may be able to download this game for free off the net.

http://www.sierra.com/de/home/games/game...ames-12115.html

This is the German version but you can download the english exe at the bottom of the page here http://www.vonhelton.com/rotj3.htm

I haven't tried this so can't confirm.

My question is can we fly in this Sim with a Joystick?

Serious?

Yes.

I have been told we needed to fly the AC with the mouse!

Where can I Buy the latest Red Baron edition. How can I update it. Where can I look for upgrade"s and what is the the best way to upgrade it.




Thank you!

read this http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2876404/Mad_Otter_Games_releases_WinXP.html#Post2876404

Do you have to fly only for the Germans only or can you fly for the Allies as well?

Is this the latest version.

http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/redbaronarcade.html

How Arcade is this Simulator?

I do not like true Arcade Simualtors!



Thank you

Miami Eagle,

Read the thread that Dutch quotes above. According to that thread, and one of the blokes there is an original Red Baron guru, it looks like the real deal, but a lot of the information in the spiel on the advertising page is inaccurate. (The BOX in the picture of the game IS the box from the original Red Baron 3D game, but the written information appears odd.

NOTE: the thread Dutch quotes refers to the following URL: http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/red_baron_pack, and that is where I would be spending my money. I would be more reluctant to buy from the site YOU mention because of the way the advertising on that site is written. (For example, the REAL Red BAron game supports 64 or 128 players (or something of that order) on Massive Multiplayer.) It might not be the real deal or it could be a rip off. Also it could be the ARCADE version of Red Baron which came out a couple of years ago. Also, the Gog site is mentioned by people on this forum who REALLY know their stuff - ArgonV, and other.

Once you have Red Baron3D (or RBII) all patched up as described at the beginning of this thread, it is most definitely NOT an arcade sim.

I still fly it and love it after 10 years.

Regards,
George.

FYI all you Red Baron nuts:

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/red_baron_pack

All this variety of Superpacks is kind of confusing. Could you please advise: what's my best choise for the most immersive offline campaign play with the best visuals possible? FCJ, HASP, WFP or something else?

IMO, because they are both free, HASP is good for SP and has files to stay MP compatable

WFP is a bit harder to set up, but is an expanded game with nearly 3x the plane types, it is for all intents FCJ2 with FCJ aircraft paints and the same (but many more) plane models than FCJ

WFP is definitely the best offline experience

for terrains in Glide Mode ( with an emulator or not, I use dgVoodoo beta 1.5 ) and better object textures, I recommend the "PL2 terrain and PL objects combination set" from
http://www.rb3d.net/Swordfish/links.htm

Just a note: The Western Front patch requires cm patcher which will not run in 64-bit. I was bummed I couldn't get it running.

Yeah, CM11 does not work w/ 64bit,.

Reload by Laser does have a date switching ability, though I have never used it, and it includes a number of very cool enhancements for SP RB3D: http://gabi-laser.blogspot.com/2011/03/red-baron-3d-utilities.html