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[APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper

Posted By: andrey12345

[APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/09/13 07:01 PM

The next DLC will focus on the operation "Hooper" - Angola in February 1988.
Participants of military operations, on the one hand - the Angolan army supported by Cuban volunteers, on the other UNITA battalions with the support of South Africa forces.

The DLC will be devoted to an attack on the Cuito Cuanvale base in 20th of February 1988.
DLC adds to the game:
1) Two new combatants for operations and quick battle are Angolan army and SADF.
2) The new area 120 square kilometers wide.
3) 3 operations for Angola, UNITA and SADF.
4) Weapons and equipment that was used in the conflict.




Posted By: andrey12345

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/09/13 07:04 PM

Part 2



Posted By: FlashBurn

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/09/13 08:42 PM

Big massive smiles biggrin
Posted By: rostov

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/10/13 09:20 AM

Isn't a DLC of SABOW?

I think APOS is about WWII.
Posted By: Krabb

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/10/13 09:41 AM

It is now GTOS! biggrin
Posted By: rostov

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/10/13 10:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Krabb
It is now GTOS! biggrin


I know,but New Patch has not been released yet, my game is still titled with APOS.

I think DLC Operation Hooper is suitable for SABOW, because they have the same background.
Posted By: Nokturnal

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/10/13 01:45 PM

Seems to me that it would be much easier to make this DLC for SABOW considering what equipment and terrain is required. I do realise there is the (massive) issue with the publishers but it is a shame that such a great game (in my opinion) won't recieve DLC such as this.

Is there not some way we could have SABOW go the same way as APOS? A simple name change?
Back when ARMA split away from the Operation Flashpoint name, and former publishers, they managed to do well. Considering DLC won't require packaging, shipping etc... It would be relatively cheap (correct me if I'm wrong (often am..) ) to produce DLC for the game under a new title (GTSA or something) and then the fans could be responsible for funding future DLCS.

/rant

Anyway, just a thought - I'm sort of hoping it was a typo and that this is infact DLC for SABOW but it's not looking promising. frown
Posted By: andrey12345

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/10/13 10:13 PM

With SABOW is more complicated, a simple name change is not enough.
Posted By: esco

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/10/13 10:17 PM

Love the idea, first day buy for sure...and as far as I know this war has never been made into in RTS game great job guys.I understand some people want it for SABOW I own that game to, but I love the idea of in RTS set in this timeline and this conflict, hope you also do one for the Iran Iraq war and that this DLC get more add-on's if this DLC does well.
Posted By: esco

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/10/13 10:21 PM

this will be in RTS right? as its DLC for APOS right so I think so, just want to be sure.
Posted By: Thomasew

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/11/13 11:10 AM

Hi Andrey,


Oh cool .. smile2

So, which vehicle(s) are going to be driveable/operable from the SADF?

or, .. am I getting confused, and this is NOT an addon for SABOW.


Looking forward to it anyway. tanksalot


Cheers
Tom
Posted By: Wodin

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/11/13 09:04 PM

It's not an add on for SABOW it's DLC for APOS now called Graviteam Tactics.
Posted By: rostov

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/12/13 04:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Wodin
It's not an add on for SABOW it's DLC for APOS now called Graviteam Tactics.


I know it, but I hope background of GTOS is WWII.
Posted By: Wodin

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/12/13 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: rostov
Originally Posted By: Wodin
It's not an add on for SABOW it's DLC for APOS now called Graviteam Tactics.


I know it, but I hope background of GTOS is WWII.


That was a reply to thomas top of page;)
Posted By: FlashBurn

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/12/13 11:34 PM

I just want to know release date at this point biggrin
Posted By: rostov

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/13/13 01:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Wodin
Originally Posted By: rostov
Originally Posted By: Wodin
It's not an add on for SABOW it's DLC for APOS now called Graviteam Tactics.


I know it, but I hope background of GTOS is WWII.


That was a reply to thomas top of page;)


I still don't understand why it's a DLC for APOS/gtos.
Posted By: Dane49

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/16/13 07:17 AM

I think with the name change to Graviteam Tactics the new games will be able to cover a wide variety of battles from pre WW2 to the modern era.It looks like a little asset stripping from SABOW to GTOS is being presented first because most of this stuff from SABOW is already modeled and can be used in the GTOS series of games and it can all be brought in under the same Graviteam Tactics roof.


Soon a new engine is going to be added to GTOS and some WW2 campaigns and a pre WW2 campaign will offered with the new engine.
These are some of the campaigns for WW2 Andrey has discussed on the Graviteam forums that He said should be ready for sale some time this year.

Mius Front-Summer 1943
Nomanhan 1939-Russian vs Japanese in Manchuria
Sinyavino 1942-Leningrad front
And some other Summer battles in 42-43 around Kharkov.I don't have much info on them though.
And Flashburn and Krabb are working on Tunisia 1942

I like the modern campaigns just as much as the WW2 stuff and would like to see both areas explored within this game.I think there is plenty of room for both eras.
Posted By: rostov

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/16/13 08:33 AM

Yes, I want WWII, not the content which is similar with SABOW.
Posted By: Dane49

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/16/13 11:56 AM

It looks like we will see the SABOW content DLCs first than the WW2 DLCs later.I'm sure over the long run it will be more WW2 than modern.I like both so I am pleased they are offering both.I'm suprised we are seeing SABOW content first though,I thought for certain it was going to be Mius front first or maybe Nomanhan.

I'll buy whatever they put out.I haven't been disappointed yet with any of their tactics games.I'm sure that they all will be fun and entertaining.and Andrey said that you can put all the content from either DLC on any map for Quick Battles so I can have Germans in Angola or South Africans in Volokonovka.
Posted By: FlashBurn

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/16/13 02:08 PM

I am sure ww2 era will remain #1. But refreshing to have other stuff too. At least with hooper it is really not that much different in tactics and even alot of weapons are the same or direct off shoots to ww2 stuff. ZIS-3 and rpg anyone? The more modern stuff like at missles are early sorts. Not really all that more effective than old AT guns. Just lighter and easier to get around with. In Angola t34-85 was still being used. OH duh and recoiless rifles........... The at gun replacement of era. Alot of mortars and arty are even the same weapons used in ww2

Posted By: Xaver

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/17/13 09:58 AM

Interesting DLC... modern... maybe is not the best conflict but at least has T-55 hehehe.

I dont understand why they dont create 2 series on their games, 1 for WW2 (and pre WW2) and other for modern conflicts, i find more interesting in modern something like hypotetical WW3 in Europe, Middle east wars, Vietnam in 1972-75, Gulf war in 90...

I look for this, is more interesting than the last DLC popcorn

PD: other thing is why Graviteam doesnt convert the "Steel Armor Blaze of war" battle sets to be used in APOS, i allways want try SABOW but i dont look for a simulator.
Posted By: Krabb

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/17/13 10:20 AM

Operation Hooper IS an asset from SABOW. Just as a couple of next DLC(s), I guess... But don't expect something hypothetical, Graviteam prefers more realistic conflicts. smile
Posted By: Xaver

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/17/13 10:58 AM

Yes, you are right, thanks, i dont remember the Angola conflict, only remember the Iran-Irak war and Afganistan.

Well, hypotetical... out are a lot of interesting conflicts... apart the well know i can add Pakistan VS India specially the "Battle of Asal Uttar" that is perfect to the game scale.

One thing i want see is expanded the options in fast battle mode, more formations to select specially company level units in armor.

PD: the good point with hypotetical in this game is that can adapt the scen to the game as they want.
Posted By: FlashBurn

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/18/13 03:17 AM

The polygons (maps) and campaigns are totally new as I understand it. So to say it is SABOW is misplaced IMO. Sure the gear is updated same things. Ratels look like they got some love.

I really do hope a new unit or 2 makes it in besides what was in sabow.
Posted By: Killjoy12

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/18/13 09:58 PM

Maybe of interest

The Last Hot Battle Of The Cold War
Posted By: FlashBurn

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/18/13 10:54 PM

Indeed los to be interesting read. This is where HISTORY guy in me gets confused. ALL sort of folks want the war that never was. But sticks there noses up on all the proxy wars that occured. Western equipment and gear VS eastern equipment and gear.
Posted By: frinik22

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/19/13 01:55 AM

Funny how the authors calls the South African Afrikaners " Boers " which means peasants( boors in Old English).....
Posted By: Wodin

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/19/13 10:28 AM

Originally Posted By: FlashBurn
Indeed los to be interesting read. This is where HISTORY guy in me gets confused. ALL sort of folks want the war that never was. But sticks there noses up on all the proxy wars that occured. Western equipment and gear VS eastern equipment and gear.


Most likely as they feel no connection to them what so ever. African bush wars are well down on my list of military history interest. Infact it's zero. No interest in their politics..no interest in the people.

Though I had the same feeling about CMSF but enjoyed it when I eventually bought it..however I never bother with red on red scenarios.

it's the armed forces involved and their history I find more important for me and immersion purposes over the weapons involved.
Posted By: FlashBurn

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/19/13 02:12 PM

shock force was total impulse buy for me. But I did enjoy it. biggrin But that was before K43. LOL Now I think I would get pissed at it. SAme with the theater of war series..........
Posted By: whukid

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/20/13 12:35 AM

Someone went back and modded the Theatre of War series. They're not as bad now, but they are certainly still annoying. I personally can't stand most strategy-only games. I think the very premise that the CO (player) not only KNOWS what's going on, but can get a bird's eye view of the battle zone completely undermines the realism idea. It would be better in my opinion if the player were stuck to a Command APC/Tank/foxhole. and forced to use a map that could only relay the last radio position would be best. No more of this RTS map smile2

But hey, that's just me screwy
Posted By: Dane49

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/20/13 06:42 AM

Quote:
I personally can't stand most strategy-only games. I think the very premise that the CO (player) not only KNOWS what's going on, but can get a bird's eye view of the battle zone completely undermines the realism idea. It would be better in my opinion if the player were stuck to a Command APC/Tank/foxhole. and forced to use a map that could only relay the last radio position would be best. No more of this RTS map


You can,no one is forcing the player to use birds eye view.

Lock the camera on the commander and only move your units on the 2D map not the 3D map.
I've done this a few times,sometimes it gets boring though because you hear the action and get the reports of enemy contact and after about 15 minutes of this you can't stop yourself from taking the camera and seeing whats going on.

It sounds good from a realistic stand point,but from a game perspective it gets boring especially if the commander isn't seeing any action himself.Not being able to lift the camera as an option and look around the whole battlefield is what I think killed SABOW.

I personally like to give the orders every 10-15 minutes and sit back from a birds eye view and watch all the action unfold than zoom into where the major fire fights are taking place.

Luckily there is an option in this game where the player can choose which ever way He wants to enjoy the game according to his own personal preference.

Pure realism doesn't always equate to fun and entertainment.
Posted By: Wodin

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/20/13 08:24 AM

Whuikid..sounds great on paper..and I have a game design idea that does this..BUT it would be totally different type of game we have seen cos if you do that with a game like GTOS it wouldn't be fun at all.

My idea is about commander maps with unit counters..and all about intel collection and orders. No RTS..no fancy graphics..lots of text...
Posted By: FlashBurn

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/21/13 08:30 AM

Whukid that idea is what alot of my custom campaigns where about in the sabow stuff I did. Of course you had be in a tank =(. The reality is that MOST people being in a battle while commanding the battle is beyond there ability. It means unfun for them. Few want such a thing. It is infact a real time platoon/company commander/senior NCO combat simulator. Certainly appeal who want to do such things. This is a HARD job.... You have to fight the battle from your vehicle, while commanding your guys knowing ONLY what is put out onto the radio net and whatever intel you got a your briefing. I WANT such a thing, but I know it is a niche within a niche. Most it seems what either a SIM or tactical GOD simulator. Few really want both in one....or if they got would do only do one or the other. Why people got ROLLED badly in Cresenct moon campaign. If you only went around in your tank.......... You and your forces where screwed. If you fought as a dang company commander and used the assets smart while remember such basic things as defense in depth and to freaken manuver. You could win it. If not..........rolled over and killed.
Posted By: andrey12345

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/21/13 10:20 AM

We will not mix one with the other. A mixture of different approaches a negative impact on the gameplay. Tanksim (if it will be) - still move to the anchor player to vehicle and micro-manage vehicle, tactics to the indirect control and camera in the sky.
They have only common is the base simulation and AI.
Posted By: FlashBurn

Re: [APOS/GTOS] DLC Operation Hooper - 03/21/13 10:50 AM

Oh so you ARE going to do another SIM. biggrin Well Ill make my niche 3 guys like it thing mod for it. MUHAHAHAHA
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