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SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix

Posted By: citizen guod

SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/05/12 10:42 PM

Results

Autosim Analyzer Results

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/r...n_GP/index.html

Replays, Results, Setup

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/r..._Italian_GP.zip

Race Videos

(From the Livestream Feed. Not high-quality, but MP4 at 441 kbps data rate / 25 fps)

Qualifying - 72MB

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/rfactor2/SimHQ_F1_Classics_1985_Italian_GP_qual_video.zip

Race - 312MB

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/rfactor2/SimHQ_F1_Classics_1985_Italian_GP_race_video.zip

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This is intended to be a purely for fun event with relaxed settings.
We hope those of you who have been reluctant to join us for other F1 races
will take a couple of hours out of the day on Sunday, February 12th
to join us.

General Information

Date: Sunday, February 12th
Time: 2 PM eastern time
Race Length: 51 laps
Sim: rFactor 1.255
Mod: 1985 LE
Track: Monza
Fixed Setups (Thanks SteveGee and purolator!)
Free Settings*
Fuel Setting: 1x
Tire Wear Setting: 1x
Driving Aids: Auto Shift and Clutch
Driving Aids: Low setting on traction control and stability control
Damage Multiplier: 25%
Mechanical Failure: normal
Time Compression: none
Unique Vehicle Check: On
Flag Rules: Black only; blue flags display but no penalties
Open qualifying (all cars on track)
Start type: standing start
Drivers do not need to come to a complete stop to ESC
No spectator settings (to optimize server stability)
Drivers can advance the server to the next session during practice
All 3 virtual mirrors available and highly recommended
No Parc Ferme

Event Schedule

NO OFFICIAL PRACTICE SESSION!
2:00 - 2:25 Qualifying - starts at 12 PM track time
2:25 - 2:30 Warm Up / leg stretch / bio break
2:30 - 4:15 Race - starts at 12 PM track time
4:15 - Post race bench racing and beer

All times Eastern USA

Downloads

1985 F1 Mod (includes track)

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/rfactor/SimHQ_2012_F1_1985_Monza/1985_F1.zip

LE add-on (Thanks Ahmad!)

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/rfactor/SimHQ_2012_F1_1985_Monza/F1_1985_LE_addon_v2.zip

Server

Server Now Available!
SimHQ Motorsports 3
Password: monzamia

*Free Settings Available

steering lock
brake pressure
starting fuel
tire compound
brake bias
fuel strategy

Practice Races

Wednesday, February 8th, 8 PM eastern
Saturday, February 11th, 12 PM eastern

Sign Up

Your Name / Car Number / Car Manufacturer

Stewart Forgie / #3 / Tyrrell

Steve Gee / #6 / Williams

apexGP / #7 / Brabham-BMW

henny / #9 / Ram

Caana / #11 / Lotus-Renault

purolator / #12 / Lotus-Renault

DaBirdski / #15 / Renault-Elf

Staniol / #17 / Arrows-BMW

guod / #19 / Toleman (Video Camera Car)

K_Cybulski / #27 / Ferrari

Steven Hill / #29 / Minardi

Pumbaa / #30 / Zakspeed

Darren Blythe / #33 / Lola
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:20 AM

Sign-up now open.

Your Name / Car Number / Car Manufacturer
Posted By: purolator

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:22 AM

Caana - #11 Lotus-Renault (Elio de Angelis)
purolator - #12 Lotus-Renault (Ayrton Senna)

Verification by Caana will follow asap.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:25 AM

Steven Hill / #29 / Minardi
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:27 AM

Pumbaa / 30 / Zakspeed
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:28 AM

Doug is there any chance of this being broadcast on livestream? Had some enquiries from people just wanting to watch...
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
Doug is there any chance of this being broadcast on livestream? Had some enquiries from people just wanting to watch...


Yes, I'll load it up.
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:40 AM

Steve Gee / #6 / Williams
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:41 AM

Originally Posted By: guod
Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
Doug is there any chance of this being broadcast on livestream? Had some enquiries from people just wanting to watch...


Yes, I'll load it up.


Sweet I shall let those in question know, and do let a few other people know...
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
Sweet I shall let those in question know, and do let a few other people know...


Tell them to get some good shots of you and I hitting each other..we always seem to at these events. biggrin
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 01:10 AM

Practice Races:

Wednesday, February 8th, 8 PM eastern
Saturday, February 11th, 12 PM eastern
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 01:39 AM

awesome watch me destroy the minardi :P
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 03:29 AM

I would like to race this. I would like to race Ferrari #27 - Michele Alboretto.

I have no clue if this is a good choice, but I don't think it matters smile If you get a full race of people and need me to drop, I can do that, too.
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 03:57 AM

Originally Posted By: K_Cybulski
I have no clue if this is a good choice, but I don't think it matters smile If you get a full race of people and need me to drop, I can do that, too.


All the car's preformance is equal, so there's no good or bad choices in that regards.
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 04:31 AM

Stewart Forgie. #3 tyrrell
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 04:50 AM

Will be good to have you out there Kurt biggrin these things are beasts, i will be spending an awful lot of time in server for this so just drop in on TS and stuff and you will no doubt catch me hounding my minardi around the track for all its worth.... which isn't alot but still LOL
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 06:12 AM

Originally Posted By: SteveGee
Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
Sweet I shall let those in question know, and do let a few other people know...


Tell them to get some good shots of you and I hitting each other..we always seem to at these events. biggrin


LMAO!... I'll have to pick a corner again won't I? :p lol
Posted By: purolator

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 07:53 AM

Is the setup already loaded on the server? When I checked last night it was still the default setup and with the default values I have doubts about the engine lifetime being insufficient for 51 laps.
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 12:58 PM

Originally Posted By: mr_hill
Will be good to have you out there Kurt biggrin these things are beasts, i will be spending an awful lot of time in server for this so just drop in on TS and stuff and you will no doubt catch me hounding my minardi around the track for all its worth.... which isn't alot but still LOL

You will definitely be seeing me practicing, then.
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: purolator
Is the setup already loaded on the server? When I checked last night it was still the default setup and with the default values I have doubts about the engine lifetime being insufficient for 51 laps.


It's still the default, or was last night. I mentioned to Doug that since this was a fun event, it might be worth considering that the default setup is easier to drive than the one I came up with. Mine was made with the idea we were running open setups...I like a loose car and with the 85's already being an oversteer spin waiting to happen especially under power, it might not be the easiest thing for some people to control.

The default one should last 51 laps...it's only running a boost of 1, so engine temperature's not a concern. The only time I've gotten worried about it is if I'm drafting another car and it redlines with the increase in speed. If it's wanted, or if everyone thinks it's necessary, I can tweak the default one a bit to minimize any reliability concerns and retain the stability it's got...already started to for just those instances.

Sure, it might not be super fast but it's easy to control and with this being a "fun" race, control for everyone's probably the best idea.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 06:51 PM

i found the default impossible to drive, as soon as i even feather the throttle the engine revs a ton and spins out, absolute #%&*$# of a car lol
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 07:30 PM

That will happen the first lap, for sure, until the tires get some heat in them.

If everyone's feeling that same thing, I'll be happy to do some tweaking on the default one to make it more stable under power and yet retain it's braking stability. I sent Race Control a quick tweaked one, but I can make the power transistion a bit smoother.

Since it's a fun event, keeping it as driveable as possible seems like the priority, at least to me.
Posted By: Caana

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 07:51 PM

I will try it again...despite the bad memories.... wink
Posted By: Birdski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 09:54 PM

Somethings not right somewhere. This fixed setup gearing red lines far too early. I'm only able to get it to 187mph'sh on a straight, wing was 16 or so.
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/06/12 11:58 PM

Forgive my ignorance but what is the LE add-on?
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 12:02 AM

LE - League Edition

It gives all the cars the same performance...the F1 '85 LE mod uses the Williams as it's base level.
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Birdski
Somethings not right somewhere. This fixed setup gearing red lines far too early. I'm only able to get it to 187mph'sh on a straight, wing was 16 or so.


Any front wing adjustment's not going to affect overall top speed much at all...maybe a couple miles per hour. It's primary function is to control over/understeer at higher speeds. That default setup's set more for stablity under braking than anything I think, not top speed.

The highest straight-line race speed at Monza in 1985 was 326KMH.....the highest overall speed was 331KMH, just to give some examples for reference.
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 12:50 AM

Personally I am finding the default set up great fun. As long as you treat it with respect till your tires are up to temp. However I think it strikes a great balance between a stable drivability and an "on the edge, push as much as you dare but it may bite you" experience. I'm having great fun running this in practice on the server, and thats just me in practice!
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 01:28 AM

Ive noticed something strange. When I made a pitstop in practice on the server to repair some slight damage after brushing a barrier, it removed my fuel. Whats causing this? More importantly, how do I fix it?
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 01:31 AM

That setting in the .plr file, Stewart....you might not have changed it.

Under [GAME], look for this:

Relative Fuel Strategy="0" // Show how much fuel to ADD, rather than how much TOTAL fuel to fill the tank up to

If your's is at 0, change it to "1".
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 03:36 AM

apex / No.7 / Brabham-BMW
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 04:01 AM

Thanks Steve that fixed it!
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 04:02 AM

New setup is loaded. Even better than default!
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 04:18 AM

Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
New setup is loaded. Even better that default!


Yep...good job, Purolator! I think everyone should be able to handle these beasts a bit easier now, as compared to the default setting.
Posted By: purolator

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 08:08 AM

Thanks, Steve and Stewart. smile

Which one was loaded btw? I made two setups, iirc the only difference is that v2 has a wing setting of 22/20, the first version uses lower wings.
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 02:13 PM

Damn I forgot how these cars are not only LOUD but a bull constantly trying to kick you...

Gotta get used to these again, I've spent a hell of a lot of time running tintops and need to regain my feel for these beasts...
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 02:47 PM

okay question for you graphical nerds :P i installed the mod with the LE of course, and now even on the menu it stutters every 2 seconds and the same in game, tried anotehr mod no problems, it seems its mod specific, do any of you know how i can fix this issue?
Posted By: purolator

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 02:50 PM

Originally Posted By: mr_hill
okay question for you graphical nerds :P i installed the mod with the LE of course, and now even on the menu it stutters every 2 seconds and the same in game, tried anotehr mod no problems, it seems its mod specific, do any of you know how i can fix this issue?


I never heard of this before with the 1985 mod? confused

My advice: make a stand-alone isntallation for this mod and try it again. According to my experience things can get a bit funky, if many mods are installed.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 04:17 PM

i would but alas i lost my rfactor disk so the install i have has had a no cd thingy put on it, sucks, cos otherwise i would indeed make a few standalones
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 04:57 PM

There's a RfLite install .exe...was looking for it earlier to give you a link, but ISI's changes to their website means I can't find anything. It's great for mod installs as it only puts one car and one track in the initial install of it.

I'll keep looking for it and post a link if/when I find it.
Posted By: LugnutUSA

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 05:07 PM

http://www.rfactorcentral.com/rfactor_lite.cfm
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: mr_hill
i would but alas i lost my rfactor disk so the install i have has had a no cd thingy put on it, sucks, cos otherwise i would indeed make a few standalones


You don't need it Steve. Just copy the entire directory intact and name it rfactor1 instead of rFactor. Then strip out all but the mod and the Monza track.

Once you authorize the first installation of rFactor, you can add copies of it to the HDD. I typically run 2-3 on a machine so I can check the files/server before announcing a new series.

For example, in my case...
C:\Simulations\rfactor1
C:\Simulations\rfactor2
C:\Simulations\rfactor3

2 & 3 are copies of the authorized "1".

Yes, its legit.

No idea if it works in rF2. Haven't tried it, but I suspect not.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 06:48 PM

Awesome thanks guys will do that!
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: guod
No idea if it works in rF2. Haven't tried it, but I suspect not.


I might have to try it this week and see....I did see Gjon mention something about a "Lite" install for rF2 in the future a while back at the ISI forums.
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 07:08 PM

FWIW... I've tried Jonesoft Mode Enabler (JSGME) and it is good, but the best solution I've found is 1 install per series mod. My SCES install on the laptop (purchase 1) and SCES install on the game desktop (purchase 2) only have that mod included, all the tracks removed except the current event one, all the extra cars removed except Pace Car, and all the extra files for the default mods. I also pull the RaceCast and TrackIR plugins (\rfactor\plugins\). Makes the install lighter than "Lite".
Posted By: purolator

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/07/12 07:46 PM

I made two backups, which are called "rFactor plain" and "rFactor stripped".

The plain version contains everything from the vanilla installation as I purchased it in november 2008.

The stripped version has all vehicles, locations and rfms cleanly removed. Once I need a new installation I just copy that one to my games drive, rename the folder and desktop link as I desire (e.g. the currently used is called "rFactor - SimHQ F1'85") and put in the content which I just need to run things and my preferred controller.ini. Of course, you still need the DVD inside the optical drive.
Posted By: Darren_Blythe

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 12:12 AM

Here's my death machine....

Darren Blythe #33 Lola (Haas) Alan Jones

BTW. Security round rF2 files is tighter than a ducks arse. So much as sneezing in the vicinity of the .exe will need a reactivation.
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Darren_Blythe
Security round rF2 files is tighter than a ducks arse.


hahaha
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 01:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Darren_Blythe
Security round rF2 files is tighter than a ducks arse.


I have to ask.... How did you find that out about Ducks? :p
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 01:29 AM

question, what is a competetive laptime? fastest i have set so far is a 1:35.990
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 01:57 AM

141.771 here.
Posted By: Birdski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 05:58 AM

DaBirdski / #15 / Renault-Elf

Had a chance to do a few more laps tonight and I agree the setup is much improved. After 10 or 20 laps I my fastest was was a 132.2 running default fuel load and I feel like there's probably at least another second or better to be had with some more practice. I'm going to sign up but I'll be at my brothers for the weekend and will be on different network, chair, beer, etc. I've never done very well when racing from there but if I can make it in between family goings on, I will. As aggravating as the F1's can be, These could be quite fun if we can keep em on the road and off of each other.
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 06:24 AM

With the boost set at 1, even 48 laps worth of fuel might be more than enough. I'm going to run a simulated race length sometime tomorrow if I can, so I'll let everyone know a decent fuel level.

Ran 25 laps tonight in one run and it still showed 30 something or so laps of fuel left in the tank.
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 06:27 AM

Quote:
guod / #19 / Toleman (Video Camera Car)


Oooo, we're gonna be on film... biggrin
Posted By: Staniol

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 12:58 PM

Hi all,
I am really interested in joining this, and the timing looks ok, but I am afraid, that myself being inexperienced can ruin your race.
I will try practicing in the upcoming days (hopefully wont be alone on the server), but I understand that being able to do fast laps is far from being a good racer.
What is your opinion on this?
(I am not totally noob, played a lot of races online with Race07, but I am new to Rfactor.)
I completely understand if you tell me that I need more practice, I just do not have enough experience to decide, how bad it would be for you if I join . smile
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 02:05 PM

Originally Posted By: mr_hill
question, what is a competetive laptime? fastest i have set so far is a 1:35.990


Ive done a 1:34:777 in full race trim
Edit: My latest is a 1:33:574
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 02:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Staniol
Hi all,
I am really interested in joining this, and the timing looks ok, but I am afraid, that myself being inexperienced can ruin your race.
I will try practicing in the upcoming days (hopefully wont be alone on the server), but I understand that being able to do fast laps is far from being a good racer.
What is your opinion on this?
(I am not totally noob, played a lot of races online with Race07, but I am new to Rfactor.)
I completely understand if you tell me that I need more practice, I just do not have enough experience to decide, how bad it would be for you if I join . smile


Join us for our practice races. There is a practice race tonight if you are interested. I am sure you will be most welcome. This is only supposed to be a fun race so I would think that makes it an ideal race to start racing with us.
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 02:17 PM

Quote:
guod / #19 / Toleman (Video Camera Car)


I'm ready for my close up Mr. De'Goud Londo
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Staniol
...but I am afraid, that myself being inexperienced can ruin your race.


I wouldn't worry about that...we usually do enough all by ourselves to ruin our races. biggrin
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 05:44 PM

oh believe me the wall will end my race long before anyone else does LOL biggrin
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 11:00 PM

What do you all think of permitting adjustable diff settings? I find the current settings pretty sloppy even after some significant testing. I can run the car consistently enough at 9/10ths, but I can also easily tweak these diffs to knock at least a second off my time and still be well within the safety margins.

Otherwise I can provide a pretty good setup for you to try that I think most everybody will find very easy to drive fast. It hooks up everywhere, even under full boost and cold rubber, you can be incredibly aggressive with it. Actually makes the cars pretty easy to drive. I tried it out earlier just for a couple of laps and immediately ran in the low 27s on Qs with relative ease (full boost).

Anyway, let me know what you think.
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 11:41 PM

I disagree with adjustable diff settings. I feel it takes away from the spirit of fixed setups. However if anyone wants to supply an alternative setup then I am sure we would be willing to try it out. The whole point though must be that these cars are managable for all abilities.
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/08/12 11:59 PM

Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
...The whole point though must be that these cars are managable for all abilities.


Yup, that was the spirit of my suggestion. A setup that's very easy to drive hard for all skill levels. If you don't mind, take it for a spin and let me know what you think. The approach to taming the rear is a little unconventional, but I think the result are undeniable. It doesn't turn as sharply as most people are probably used to, but it's actually very difficult to spin. You'll have to adjust the boost and max revs to meet race spec. If you don't beat your previous best time in short order, by a significant margin, and still be well within the limits of the car I'll honestly be pretty surprised.

F1'85 Monza Setup
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 12:17 AM

I'm not an expert by any means, but I'd definitely be interested in making the setup a little more stable for me. After coming through chicanes, if I don't have the RPMs high I will definitely spin out but it seems almost impossible to keep RPMs high every time with autoclutch.
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 12:27 AM

Sorry no offence but that setup is an .exe file and I never download .exe files from an unknown scource.
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 12:40 AM

Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
Sorry no offence but that setup is an .exe file and I never download .exe files from an unknown scource.


Huh? How's that possible? I just clicked on the link myself and the filename is "apex+~3eMonza88-F185(q).svm". There's no reason for me to up an exe file.
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 12:42 AM

There's only so much that can be allowed to be adjustable with a fixed setting....I don't think differential settings are among them.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 01:31 AM

setup link worked fine for me no exe stew though u may of made the same mistake i did and clicked that big green download button when in fact its the link with the light blue bar in the middle of the page called: "click here to start download from sendspace sendspace"

i shall give this a run and get back to you matey
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 03:08 AM

Good fun out there tonight. I'm still slow. I don't know if it was allowed, but can I jump into other vehicles to watch while you are driving?
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: K_Cybulski
Good fun out there tonight. I'm still slow. I don't know if it was allowed, but can I jump into other vehicles to watch while you are driving?


Yep...if say, during practice you want to watch someone else drive, just select their name in the driver's menu and they will appear in the view window, usually 20 seconds delayed. Hit "R" to make it Live.

You can also use the same view keys to change views that you have when you're driving.
Posted By: stewartforgie

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 03:17 AM

Yes thats ok Kurt. you will soon be up to speed. You're doing well considering these beasts are so hard to drive and you are new to sim racing.

Apex I just downloaded and tried that setup but I have to say I prefer the one thats on the server right now. Your setup had too much understeer for my taste. But thats just me I dont know how the others will feel.
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 05:38 AM

There was some good, close racing all around tonight during the practices...and mine and Pumbaa's usual "which curve are we going to collide in?" expedition... biggrin

Birdki showed that keeping it on the track is key when he ran away that one race, without a single "off" to slow him down. Nice run, Birdski.

Couple suggestions for our newer guys...on the formation lap, drag your brakes a little to build up heat in them for the run down to the first turn. It'll help you stop much quicker than cold brakes will. You can cycle through the HUD to see brake temperatures to get an idea when they're nice and warm. Also, those hunks of rubber they called tires in 1985 need at least a lap or two to get up to a good temperature.

If you're starting back down the grid a bit and can't quite see the starting lights, you can cycle through the HUD to the screen that shows your track position...I think it has the Current and Fastest Lap indicators. When the red lights go out, signifying the start of the race, the clock on that screen will start....letting you know the exact point the red lights have gone out.

Remember, in a 51 lap race....you're not going to win it in the first couple of laps, but you sure can lose it in them by running into a wall because the tires and/or brakes weren't up to a good operatiing temperature.
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 06:34 AM

Originally Posted By: SteveGee
There was some good, close racing all around tonight during the practices...and mine and Pumbaa's usual "which curve are we going to collide in?" expedition... biggrin


At least this time I wasn't the leading car stopped on the racing line lol... Although I think the parabolica will be my corner at which to have a off at this time around lol...

What gear is everyone taking through there? I've tried 3rd, but that turbo lag bites too hard... But 2nd creates the changing gear snap oversteer problem... And either way I lose a bucket of time through there...
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 06:39 AM

Initially, I snap down to 3rd on entry....the first or second light pole into the curve, the one after you've already started your turn-in and after the revs have dropped....I go to 2nd and start powering out of the turn, letting it drift a bit wide to the secondary line.

Ideally, I try to be tight on the curb at entry and let the car's momentum carry it to that secondary line.
Posted By: Staniol

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 09:32 AM

Run a couple of laps yesterday alone... these cars are real beasts.
Depending the time I can spend taming them, I will think over my participation.

You really need to be gentle on the throttle, its way too much power under my feet...
I have a feeling that my pedal is not precise enough, are you changing the input curve to deal with this?
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
Apex I just downloaded and tried that setup but I have to say I prefer the one thats on the server right now. Your setup had too much understeer for my taste. But thats just me I dont know how the others will feel.


It does indeed understeer, that's why I mentioned its relatively slow turn-in compared to what most people are probably used to. I myself don't prefer that type of setup... but, like I was saying, the results are undeniable, at least for myself. If I take only the diff settings and apply them to the default settings we're running at the moment, I very quickly knock over a second off my fastest laptimes. I mean that's pretty significant no?

Even though it takes a bit of getting used to, I find that rear end to be more or less bulletproof. I mean, you can literally stand on the throttle nearly everywhere and under any circumstances. And it basically eliminates those 'pre-canned' spins that you can't recover from. I just thought I should mention it for that quality alone, in the hope that it could save some people a few headaches banghead
Posted By: Staniol

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/09/12 10:15 PM

Ok, I sign up, let's see how it goes.

Staniol / #17 / Arrows-BMW
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/11/12 06:21 AM

Reminder! Practice races at 12 PM eastern time Saturday.
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/11/12 04:07 PM

I doubt I'll be there today. I got up early and am really tired. Probably going back to bed.
Posted By: purolator

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/11/12 05:29 PM

Got disconnected once more, luckily only in the first lap of the practice race. TS also sounded strange afterwards, voices of people speaking were badly distrorted and cut.

See you tomorrow.
Posted By: henny

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/11/12 07:13 PM

henny / #9 / Ram
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/11/12 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: purolator
Got disconnected once more, luckily only in the first lap of the practice race. TS also sounded strange afterwards, voices of people speaking were badly distrorted and cut.

See you tomorrow.


TS was being a complete ass for me for most of the night... I couldn't hear anyone, then I could, then I could only hear a selected few... all the while the plugin that turned down the volume of all the in game audio was working fine, I just couldn't hear jack #%&*$# most of the time...

And then boom I got a whole lot of loud voices for like 5 seconds and it worked fine...

Damned internet gremlins...
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/11/12 09:17 PM

Last race recorded for testing:
http://simhqmotorsports.com/

By popular request, the race is going to have zero damage multiplier and invulnerability available. If you want to use invulnerability, press F6. If you don't, your car can still be damaged -- even with the damage multiplier at zero.

If you're having problems with Teamspeak, leave it off entirely. It is preferred so you can hear what is going on and keeps me from having to do one more thing while running video, act as spotter, and the event, but if it is causing a disco and/or interference leave it off and watch for text messages.

Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/11/12 10:02 PM

great video Doug... Is that the address for the race tomorrow as well, or is the livestream one the one I should tell people to tune in to?
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/11/12 10:51 PM

Either Pumbaa. The Livestream address is the host location, and it is being embedded at SimHQ Motorsports.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 03:05 AM

I advise everyone to use the invulnerability thing :P i again missed practice, i for some reason had it in my head it was the later time rather than 5pm uk time LOL so watch out for me the amazing turn 1 missile :P like a heat seeking missile i shall plunge into turn 1 :P if i make it to turn 2 succesfully then my aim is complete LOL
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 04:04 AM

I'll put it on invulnerability then. I'm getting pretty psyched here. In about 1 week I've been able to get this car to 135.670. Not enough to win or even get in the top 5, but I've seen pretty good progress each and every day. I'm not even cautious about going pretty hard on the first lap before the tires get warm.
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 04:12 AM

I have one question. - Fuel strategy. I didn't see anything in settings for that. I saw starting fuel and everything else. But no fuel strategy. I did see where you could plan when you would stop but that is grayed out.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 04:14 AM

full tank run it all the way to the end wink no fuel stops as far as i know, make sure you overfill a fair bit, the ingame rfactor fuel counter is off on most if not all mods!
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 04:26 AM

Hi. But I mean in the listing of "free setting" it says "fuel strategy" as if it was a setting you could play with.
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 04:27 AM

*Free Settings Available

steering lock
brake pressure
starting fuel
tire compound
brake bias
fuel strategy

What did that mean in the initial post (I'm REALLY trying to wring out the most from my car, lol)
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 04:40 AM

It means you can adjust the fuel level for your car....if you think it's carrying too much, you can take some out, saving weight.

Edit - Also, if refueling is an option...you can determine how much fuel and how many stops you want to make. Pre-planning it saves you from having to do it on the fly while on the track after requesting a pitstop.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 05:49 AM

yeah mr Gee above explains it best, smile
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 08:18 AM

I'm pretty sure refuelling isn't capable in this mod, so whatever you start with is what you have to finish the race with...
Posted By: Darren_Blythe

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 11:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
I'm pretty sure refuelling isn't capable in this mod, so whatever you start with is what you have to finish the race with...


I'm pretty sure that's right Pumbaa. Refuelling was banned in 1985
Posted By: purolator

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Darren_Blythe
Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
I'm pretty sure refuelling isn't capable in this mod, so whatever you start with is what you have to finish the race with...


I'm pretty sure that's right Pumbaa. Refuelling was banned in 1985


All correct. It never was an option with this mod anyway. Just reduce from the 220 liters to a level which you deem safe, or leave it as it is. And make sure you got the relative fuel strategy set to 1 in your plr-file.

I am very surprised to see invulnerability added to the available options.

As my last two races were done without TS at all and I didn't even have a hint of a problem, and yesterday, for just another try with TS, it all started again I will leave TS off for sure. Doug, I'm sorry for the stronger workload, but I just don't trust TS anymore for now.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 02:31 PM

hey guys dropping out of the 85 race, due to stuff happening as soon as the rF2 races have finished, damn shame cos i want to race it but alas i wont be there frown
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 02:58 PM

Originally Posted By: mr_hill
hey guys dropping out of the 85 race, due to stuff happening as soon as the rF2 races have finished, damn shame cos i want to race it but alas i wont be there frown


Well that saves us from the turn one torpedo... :p
Posted By: LugnutUSA

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
Originally Posted By: mr_hill
hey guys dropping out of the 85 race, due to stuff happening as soon as the rF2 races have finished, damn shame cos i want to race it but alas i wont be there frown


Well that saves us from the turn one torpedo... :p


Zing!
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 04:51 PM

actually #%&*$# it im in #%&*$# it, it's only dinner that will have to be reheated LOL
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 05:40 PM

Man I'm glad I saw all this, I've been under the impression we were forced to take that default fuel banghead
Posted By: Staniol

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 06:26 PM

Dear all.
I am really sorry, but I have to skip this race.
After 1 week of heavy practice, I managed to run good laps around 1.35 with default fuel amount, and I was really looking forward to this race.
This would have been my first race with you.
Real life took over, and my daughter became sick with high fever, she is sleeping in my arms as I type.
I am not sad, I know that I learned a lot during this week, and there will be numerous opportunities to prove my incompetence in racing.
Good luck, have fun tonight, and apologies again.

sigh
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 06:44 PM

Sorry to hear that, Staniol...hope your daughter gets to feeling better. Don't worry, there'll be plenty of events to join in the future.
Posted By: Caana

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 08:36 PM

Something went wrong with the penalty. Make a pit stop to change the tires, but i forget the speed limit. Next Round i go into the lane, but i accelerate to early...*argh* next round i take the stop and go penalty, and next time - the last chance for the drive through - i make a pit stop...and so i dq..... how stupid duh
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 09:11 PM

Excellent racing today fellas, well done Pumbaa you set a pretty sick pace. Darren as well. I must admit I was a little disappointed with my luck getting around traffic tonight, but those are the breaks.

Well done to everybody involved, and I hope to see you at the next F1 classic. thumbsup
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 09:17 PM

I quit out when I felt like I was getting in the way, but I watched the rest of it. Great racing by all.
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 09:43 PM

What a EPIC race....

Poor luck to Team Lotus, I'm not sure what happened with Puro, but those damned stewards cost Caana a possible podium... Also poor luck to Birdski who I think had a disco?

excellent racing DB and Apex...

good to see the new guys giving it a go, this is most likely THE toughest mod....

I'll write a race report tomorrow...

Thanks for hosting Doug and SimHQ biggrin biggrin biggrin
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/12/12 10:14 PM

Good run, Pumbaa and Darren...half a second at the line, kind of like Monza in '67.

Hopefully, it wasn't a track error that cost Caana...seems I remember the '79 Dijon track had one until it was fixed. The way it's supposed to work is if it's a Stop and Go, then rF overides any pit changes that might be selected. Who knows what happened as sometimes rF has a mind of it's own.

I pretty much blew my own strategy with a couple of offs early....I was able to run 40 laps on a set of Mediums and was hoping that I'd be close enough at the end to run Softs to make up any ground, but my mistakes tossed that possibility out the window.
Posted By: citizen guod

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/13/12 01:29 AM

Great win, Pumbaa!

winner

Congrats for 2nd, Darren!

Congrats for 3rd, apex!

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Autosim Analyzer Results

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/r...n_GP/index.html

Replays, Results, Setup

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/r..._Italian_GP.zip

Race Videos

(From the Livestream Feed. Not high-quality, but MP4 at 441 kbps data rate / 25 fps)

Qualifying - 72MB

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/rfactor2/SimHQ_F1_Classics_1985_Italian_GP_qual_video.zip

Race - 312MB

http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/rfactor2/SimHQ_F1_Classics_1985_Italian_GP_race_video.zip

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So good to see a decent turnout for an F1 race! Welcome to each of you that ran your first event with us, and we hope you'll join us again in the future!
Posted By: purolator

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/13/12 07:47 AM

Congratulations to Pumbaa and the podium and thanks to Doug for hosting the show. smile

It just didn't work for me yesterday, my heart and mind were not really in it. Already in qualifying I made mistakes which I haven't made in the practice laps and it didn't improve.

When within just two laps of the race I realised that it gets worse I called it a day and considered it wiser to stop the car, in order to avoid ruining everybody else's race. Physically my car would have been a wreck anyway at that point.

I feel extremely sorry for Caana - yes, it wasn't the best of days for Team Lotus. frown
Posted By: Staniol

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/13/12 08:14 AM

Hi all,
Thanks for all the effort to organise and facilitate this.
Also would like to say sorry to everyone I hit (well, simply everyone) but I had hard times to control the car, despite all the practice I made.
I assume, since this was my first big event, I was just clearly nervous. The more I tried to concentrate, the more mistakes I made.
Anyway, I had great fun, hope I wasn't a too big obstacle, I tried to stay away from the ideal line anytime someone showed up in the mirror...

I run a couple of laps after this at Daytona, man, what a completely different thing, it was almost relaxing...:)

Thanks again, and I clearly can say, I have the hooks in me, so I'll try to join most of the SIMHQ events in the future.
Congrats to everyone, especially guys on the podium, looking forward to race with you again.
Posted By: LugnutUSA

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/13/12 02:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Staniol


I run a couple of laps after this at Daytona, man, what a completely different thing, it was almost relaxing...:)



This will change once you're in traffic, trust me wink
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/13/12 04:09 PM

when we are all bump drafting i guarantee it will scare the living hell out of you :P and if one person spins, well just close your eyes and scream and pray you make it through the carnage LOL
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/14/12 12:22 AM

Hahaha! Yeah, I was just getting nervous with Stewart coming up and drafting me in a 2 person practice!
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/14/12 12:25 AM

Race report....

Qualy went a lot better than expected... I pulled out a PB and was on provisional pole for a few minutes before Darren smashed my time and left me scratching my head as to how he pulled it off... Because lap after lap, I'd be up in sector 1, lose a little through sector 2 and be around a second off in sector 3, which is JUST ONE CORNER!!!!... I managed to get as much as 0.8s up and keep it in through sector 2 on my final run, but had too much wheel spin and lost it coming out of the parabolica.... The insane lap from DB stood and I was left scratching my head after still being half a second off after being up by more than that at sector 1, but comfortable in the knowledge that I was on track for a podium...

For some reason these cars just suit my usually crappy standing start technique, and I nailed it ending up first before the T1 chicane and manage to lead the opening lap, only to have a turbo lag moment coming out of the 2nd chicane.. Letting both Apex and DB through... I then decided if I was going to make my strategy work I'd need to keep close to them both no matter how much better they were through Parabolica I'd make it my aim to be faster through sector 1, which worked a fair bit of the time, but I was 3-4 seconds back at this point... DB made a mistake around lap 4 which lead to him being in 4th behind Caana and me left to hunt down Apex... Which after a few laps I was on his tail, until the luck of the draw with traffic came into play and being the 2nd car lapping a car always gives an advantage in F1, as you can see where the leader has slowed, and where the lapped car is going to keep their car positioned... I think I split Apex and the slower car inbetween the 2 Lesmos...

Now I was in the lead I was checking everything, making sure I had the right strategy, that I had put enough fuel in the car, as I had taken 32 litres out, to my surprise my mileage had been supreme, some 0.4L better then in practice... Then I checked the cars on circuit, and to my surprise DB had already powered his way back up to 3rd and was challenging Apex... At this point I thought if they could battle for a bit I'd have a chance at pulling away from them both and making a lead that would be enough for me to go into cruise mode... But that wasn't to be, as a few laps later DB was hunting me down and was almost within a second when he pitted for the first time...

This left me around 7 seconds up the road from Apex, and while I was happy to be in the lead, I didn't know what strategy DB was on so I had to push, with Apex and I trading fast laps until his one and only pitstop... I believe it was around this time that I made contact with Staniol through the first chicane, as with every other lap I was right on the limits of adhesion through there and instead of taking a wider line which would of had me clear of Staniol who was clearly giving way, I slammed into the back of him, sorry about that... I knew my strat would pay off long term so I stuck to it, watching the tyre wear as I headed past the 30 lap mark, but then I got worried, as I saw DB closing in on me, so I started thinking of no stopping, and with the tyres holding out giving me decent grip still, I thought that was the best option.... But then Lap 35 happened, one turbo lag moment coming out of the second chicane, and another moment later in the lap saw my lead of 18 seconds vanish, and I jumped into pit lane taking on softs and hoping that I could run down DB on worn tyres...

I came out 5 seconds behind Apex, and knew that if I was to have any chance at a win, I'd have to chase him down and pass him quickly, luckily DB pitted for a second time the lap after I had, making my job all about defending from a closing DB behind and attacking Apex in front... I slowly brought him back into the 1 second range, before turbo lag caught him out coming out of the 2nd chicane and both DB and I had slipped past... 5 laps to go and a raging DB on my tail less then a second behind I knew I had to put in my best laps of the race... Which I almost managed... Every lap involved me telling myself to remain clam down each of the long straights...

With a few laps to go, I got held up a little through the Lesmos (the reversal of luck I had earlier with Apex) DB made a Button style move on the outside heading into Ascari, and blasted past, only to be caught out on the exit of the chicane by a lapped car and he lifted just enough for me to throw my car around the outside of him and retake the lead... Back to telling myself to remain calm and hit the braking, acceleration and turn in points... With DB hounding me and closing in lap after lap I knew it was going to be close, he had me lined up on the final lap, when a slower car coming out of the Parabolica took the fast line, I changed my throttle input and got my acceleration just right to take the inside line and speed to the line with DB less than half a second behind...

What a epic race indeed...

Thanks again to Doug and all the participants... Without you guys these races would not be possible biggrin
Posted By: Darren_Blythe

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/14/12 10:46 AM

wow, awesome report Pumbaa. biggrin

I can't really add much to that. Given that i'd not been anywhere near the 27's before Sat i was equally surprised at my qual time. That lap was actually the cooldown after a big push trying to beat your initial marker. I wasn't even looking at the times or even concentrating that much. I just kind of drive round without thinking until i came through Ascari and thought "hmm i was pretty quick through there lol"

Apart from doing a Webber at the start things mostly went pretty well. I had a couple of excursions when pushing to try and catch Apex and Pumbaa but thankfully nothing major. I knew from practice that i was pretty heavy on tyres and had initially planned to do two stops on lap 17&34. I also knew this would be hard to make work, especially when plenty of others would only stop once.

Pumbaa gave me a plenty to think about as he pitted very late - in fact i was starting to think he was going to do the distance. That made me stay out much longer than i intended. Thankfully he eventually stopped but it really turned my strategy upsude down and was a great tactical move on his part. Towards the end it was an awesome 3 way battle between myself, Apex and Pumbaa. All on different strategies yet still ending up nose to tail in the last few laps was awesome. Sadly Apex had a small mistake leaving Pumbaa and I scrapping for the win.

I pushed with everything i had for those last few laps but Pumba's perfect strategy and super consistent pace was unbeatable. That was truly great drive Pumbaa, grats. Well done to Apex for third place. A real shame about your little off near the end or that could have been a grandstand 3 way finish.

Well done to everyone else who stuck it out. I hope Kurt and Staniol enjoyed it and will join us on a regular basis. Really well done to both you guys. I hope we didn't make your first race too painful.

You both did really great considering you couldn't have picked a more difficult challenge for your first event. Please don't worry about being slow or getting in anyone's way. It's all part of the process and you guys have as much right to be out there as any of the rest of us. You both showed great composure and willingness to participate and learn which is the most important thing.
Posted By: Staniol

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/14/12 01:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Darren_Blythe

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Well done to everyone else who stuck it out. I hope Kurt and Staniol enjoyed it and will join us on a regular basis. Really well done to both you guys. I hope we didn't make your first race too painful.

You both did really great considering you couldn't have picked a more difficult challenge for your first event. Please don't worry about being slow or getting in anyone's way. It's all part of the process and you guys have as much right to be out there as any of the rest of us. You both showed great composure and willingness to participate and learn which is the most important thing.



Thanks!
I have this "Never Give Up, Never Surrender!" attitude, which can cause some headache sometimes. smile
I really enjoyed this, despite the feeling that I am blocking some of you. Now I think its part of the fun.
The main issue I faced, that I realised too late, that I weared off my tires, and I am spinning a lot because of that. I though I am tired, but I was just bad tire d. (sorry..)
I still need to learn a lot, but I already love virtual racing, looking forward to Daytona, with all fears you can imagine.
Thanks again, never had a warmer welcome in any kind of community in my life.
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/14/12 05:44 PM

DB i wondered what the hell happened at the start i was almost in the back of you!! did you just bog down or what?
Posted By: Darren_Blythe

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/14/12 08:01 PM

Originally Posted By: mr_hill
DB i wondered what the hell happened at the start i was almost in the back of you!! did you just bog down or what?

Yea, Sorry bout that. I stuffed up the first phase of the start. Didn't quite have enuf revs so it just bogged down when i let go of the clutch. If you get the 'sweet spot' these things go off like a rocket but get it wrong and well, you scare the crap out of the guy behind lol
Posted By: mr_hill

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/14/12 08:27 PM

LOL i was like go go go! then like oh crap crap crap avoid avoid avoid LOL
Posted By: K_Cybulski

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/15/12 02:42 AM

I appreciate the kind words, Darren. I'm not going anywhere. The SimHQ guys race enough for me to get as much racing as I want in, and if I need more, there are other clubs/websites I can add on when or if I want more racing.

I probably should have just stuck it out Sunday, but I got really bogged down and felt bad if I was getting in the way. I know that it makes it more enjoyable/immersive if you can get more people and that they are competitive. So don't worry about if I'm going to stick it out. I have my G27 (I need to still get it set up) and I'm going to be there. I really like the F1 racing. More so than Stock or the lemans/GT type stuff, but when you're inside the car you can't see what it looks like, lol. Also, the controls just felt real different for some reason. I'm not sure if I somehow didn't get it set up the way it was the day before when I was running consistently in the 137-138 range which would have had me at least competing with some of the racing..

The Daytona race looks to be fun. I just need to not be too cautious.
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/17/12 06:26 AM

If anybody's interested I started making a highlight vid of our race last Sunday with more action shots for some of my friends to see, but I probably wont get around to finishing it now. I figured I'd just up what I had. I planned some cool things to do with it originally, but never got past the rough edits.

Anyway, here it is. The first 7 laps;




For some reason YT ruins uploaded vids. This one plays smoothly for me in 360, but if you watch it in 720 it stutters in some spots.
Posted By: Piotr

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/17/12 05:35 PM

Nice video, apex!

I skipped that race as those cars are way to hard me to drive and enjoy it.

Maybe I joing in future if different mod is used.
Posted By: Darren_Blythe

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/18/12 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Piotr
Nice video, apex!


+1

Showed my useless start wonderfully smile
Posted By: Pumbaa666

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/18/12 07:10 PM

Awesome work Apex, if you ever get around to finishing it I'd love to see the end product...

Man not only was my memory of those opening laps bad, but my lines were pretty terrible as well...
Posted By: Staniol

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/18/12 07:16 PM

Great video, thanks for all the work you put into it!
Posted By: SteveGee

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/18/12 08:02 PM

Great video, Apex!
Posted By: apexGP

Re: SimHQ F1 Classic Racing - 1985 F1 Italian Grand Prix - 02/18/12 11:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
... Man not only was my memory of those opening laps bad, but my lines were pretty terrible as well...


LOL, hey you still won right? driving
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