I need some help on this new target scheme for EAW.

Let me give some background.

As you probably know, we have the ability to add in 1000 different TMOD models to the EAW world. That means I can do thing like make a tank fabrication factory with lines of finished tanks outside waiting for delivery.

Might not seem like much but in the past, if you attacked a line of tanks they'd all be shooting at you and you would die. Now however, I can have inactive tanks that don't shoot back which is much more realistic as tanks in a parking lot wouldn't be crewed yet.

I've built an airstrip that can be added to the grounds near an aircraft factory and I can line up about 20 different types of aircraft ready to be flown to the front.

I have armament factories with ammo dumps piled up nearby. Same for "generic" factories with supply dumps and oil plants with rows of oil tanks.

What I need is some help on the type and city of different factories. I need some specifics like the type of aircraft or armor produced and maybe the years. See, I can activate the TMODs to appear in certain years so that if you flew over an English airfield or factory in 1944 you won't see a line of Hurricanes, you'll see Tempests.

BTW, for you SWOTL fans, I have some very late war ground models that you'll see only in 1945.

Oh and I need the location of u-boat pens too.

If someone wants to take me up on it the best thing would be a spreadsheet with columns for country, city, year and type of materials produced.

I know I could do this with Google and Wikipedia but I'm up to my ass in TMODs and could sure use the help.

Hi Ray,

As I have another 4 weeks stuck at home (at least) following my knee replacement op I might be able to look up some UK factories for you, both tanks and planes. Not sure I can do a spreadsheet but I will see.

Cheers

Pete

Here's interesting link:
http://www.warbirdsandairshows.com/Aircraft%20manufacturing/usaircraftmanufacturewwii.htm
nice webpage speadsheet-like extensive but the plants are in US. However it may be a useful start to identify what types of plants, mfg's and plane types produed. There are more related links there also.
I'll try to look up some more.

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I'll gather up some pages like above and info and zip up. I'll post the links from my site to D/L.

Hi Ray,

Avro had factories at Chadderton in Manchester, ditto Newton Heath and also Woodford in Cheshire producing Ansons, Manchesters and some licence built Bristol Blenheims at the start of the war, with the now Manchester Airport at Ringway used for flight testing, together with Woodford. They opened a shadow factory at Yeadon, now Leeds Bradford Airport in 1941 to build Lancasters and Ansons (my aunt worked there)and started building Lancs at Woodford and Newton Heath at the same time. They also contracted Armstrong Whitworth at Bagington Coventry to build Lancs, and Austin Motors at Longbridge works Birmingham. Also Metropolitan Vickers in Manchester build both Manchesters and Lancs and Vickers-Armstrong at Castle Bromwich in Birmingham and Broughton near Chester (where I lived for 4 years) built Lancs as well as Wellingtons.

Is that the sort of info you want and do you need more precise locations, which I might be able to provide but looking on Wiki you should be able to find them yourself pretty easily? I can probably give you the main sites for Avro, Armstrong Whitworth, Bristol, Fairey, Gloster, Handley Page, Hawker, and Supermarine, though some of the sub-contractors and shadow sites could prove more difficult. Tanks will take longer as there were quite a few sites. Dates could be a bit vague as my books tend not to mention them too often. Will include Birmingham Carriage and Railway Works (BCRW) Royal Ordinance Armley (Leeds) and Vauxhall Motors for main production and a lot of other plants for engines, guns, drive trains etc.

Pete

Peter, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Of course I probably can't put in every single one of them but I'm sure I can make it more historically accurate that the original target set.

Hi Ray,

Ok, I will see what I can find but see updated post for more info. Should be able to let you have aircraft factories in next day or so. Tanks might take a while.

Pete

Hi Ray,

Here are a few to look at - Wiki will give you most of the locations.

Bristol, Main base Filton Nr Bristol, Blenheim I from 1937, IV from 1938, sub contracted to Avro Chadderton and also Rootes Securities Ltd, Blythe Brige Staffordshire. Beaufort from 1939/40 Filton only, Beaufighter from July 1940 also subcontracted to Rootes Securities Blythe Bridge as before but probably 1941, Fairey Aviation Stockport with a shadow factory at Old Mixon, Weston Super Mare from about 1941 onwards.

Gloster - taken over by Hawker and became a shadow factory for Hurricanes at Hucclecote in 1939. also built Typhoons 1942 and AW Albermarles 1941/2.

Handley Page - Cricklewood London Hampden from pre war to about 1942, Halifax from 1940 onwards. Almost certainly farmed out to other manufacturers such as Cordes at Radlett and English Electric Samlesbury but limited details.

Hawker - Main Bases at Kingston on Thames, Brooklands and Langley in Buckinghmshire. At the start of the war production was Hurricanes and Henleys and Hurricanes sub-contracted to Glosters at Hucclecote. A shadow factory was set up at Brockworth. In 1940 production of the Typhoon was contracted to Hawker and Gloster entering service late 1941. Tempest V production started at Langley in mid 1943.

Finally, Vickers Armstrong, based at Weybridge were producing Wellingtons at the start of the war and pretty well throughout. They had shadow factories at Blackpool and Broughton in about late 1940 also producing Wellingtons. Warwick production started in 1941 in prototype form but did not enter service until late 42/early 43. If you really want to score Brownie points you could include the two Windsor heavy bomber prototypes from late 44 onwards.

I will get back to you tomorrow on Armstrong Whitworth, Fairey, Shorts and Supermarine when I have chance to look them up. The main Rolls Royce engine works for the Merlin was in Derby but I believe it was spread out to shadow factories. Again Wiki should provide location etc.

Cheers,

Pete

Ray,

The rest of the main factories are as follows.

Armstrong Whitworth were building Whitleys as Whitley in Coventry and testing them at Bagington, now Coventry airport from the start of the war until about 1943 when they switched to Albermarles, and contracted and built several hundred Lancasters as well.

Faireys main base was Heaton Chapel near Stockport and they tested aircraft at Manchester Ringway airport - Swordfish, Battles, Albacores, Fulmars, Fireflies and Barracuda. Swordfish were licence built by Blackburn at Brough East Yorkshire (where they also built Botha's)and in Leeds. They were known unofficially as Blackfish.

Shorts main bases were Belfast Aldergrove and Rochester where they built Sunderlands and Stirlings. Stirling production was also contracted to Austin Motors at Cofton Mallett in Birmingham

Supermarine started the war building Walrus and Spitfire aircraft at Woolston and Itchen in Southampton but suffered heavy damage in the Luftwaffe raids in 1940 and Spitfire production switched to the shadow factory at Castle Bromwich near Birmingham in June 1940.

I will have a look at tank production later as I need to go to bed now. You should be able to look up production dates and locations on Wiki or elsewhere - hope that helps?

Cheers,

Pete

Here's a list of some plants in france, germany;
from this page; http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/USSBS/

Aircraft Division

004 Aircraft Division Industry Report
005 Inspection Visits to Various Targets (Special Report)
006 Junkers Aircraft and Aero Engine Works, Dessau, Germany
007 Erla Maschinenwerke GmbH, Heiterblick, Germany
008 ATG Maschinenbau, GmbH, Leipzig (Mockau), Germany
009 Gothaer Waggonfabrik, AG, Gotha, Germany
010 Fock Wulf Aircraft Plant, Bremen, Germany
011 Messerschmitt AG, Augsburg, Germany
012 Dornier Works, Friedrichshafen & Munich, Germany
013 Gerhard Feiseler Werke GmbH, Kassel, Germany
014 Wiener Neustaedter Flugzeugwerke, Wiener Neustadt, Austria
015 Bussing NAG Flugmotorenwerke, GmbH, Brunswick, Germany
016 Mittel-Deutsche Motorenwerke, GmbH, Taucha, Germany
017 Bavarian Motor Works, Inc. Eisenach & Durrerhof, Germany
018 Baysrische Motorenwerke, AG (BMW) Munich, Germany
019 Henschel Flugmotorenwerke, Kassel, Germany
020 Light Metals Industry of Germany (Part 1, Aluminum & Part 2, Magnesium)
021 Wereinigte Deutsche Metallwerke, Hildesheim, Germany
022 Metallgussgesellschaft, GmbH, Leipzig, Germany
023 Aluminiumwerk GmbH, Plant No. 2, Bitterfeld, Germany
024 Gebrueder Giulini GmbH, Lunwigshafen, Germany
025 Luftschiffbau, Zepplin GmbH, Friedrichshafen on Bodensee, Germany
026 Wieland Werke AG, Ulm, Germany
027 Rudolph Rautenbach Lieghmetallgiessereien, Solingen, Germany
028 Lippewerke Wereinigte Aluminiumwerke AG, Lunen, Germany
029 Vereinigte Deutsche Metalwerke, Heddernheim, Germany
030 Duerener Metallwerke AG, Duren Wittenau-Berlin & Waren, Germany

Equipment Division

048 German Electric Utilities Industry Report
049 Brown Boveri et Cie, Mannheim Kafertal, Germany
050 Optical and Precision Instrument Industry Report
051 The German Abrasive Industry
052 Mayer and Schmidt, Offenbach on Main, Germany
053 The German Anti-Friction Bearing Industry 1947
054 Machine Tools & Machinery as Capital Equipment
055 Machine Tool Industry in Germany
056 Harman Kolb Co., Cologne, Germany
057 Collet and Engelhard, Offenbach, Germany
058 Naxos Union, Frankfurt on Main, Germany

Munitions Divisions

066 The Coking Industry Report on Germany
067 Coking Plant Report No. 1 Sections A, B, C & D
068 Gutehoffnugshutte, Oberhausen, Germany
069 Friedrich-Alfred Huette, Rheinhausen, Germany
070 Neukirchen Eisenwerke AG, Neukirchen, Germany
071 Reichswerke Herman Goering AG, Hallendorf, Germany
072 August Thyssen Huette AG, Hamborn, Germany
073 Friedrich Krupp AG, Borbeck Plant, Essen, Germany
074 Dortmund Hoerder Huttenverein AG, Dortmund, Germany
075 Hoesch AG, Dortmund, Germany
076 Bochumer Verin fuer Gusstahlfabrikatin AG, Bochum, Germany
077 German Motor Vehicles Industry Report
078 Tank Industry Report
079 Daimler Benz AG, Unterturkheim, Germany
080 Renault Motor Vehicle Plant, Billancourt, Paris
081 Adam Opel, Russelheim, Germany
082 Daimler Benz-Gaggenau Works, Gaggenau, Germany
083 Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nurnberg, Nurnberg, Germany
084 Auto Union AG, Chemnitz and Zwickau, Germany
085 Henschel & Shon, Kasel, Germany
086 Maybach Motor Works Friedrichshafen, Germany 1947
087 Voigtlander, Maschinenfabrik AG, Plauen, Germany
088 Volkswagenwerke, Fallerslben, Germany
089 Bussing NAG, Brunswick, Germany
090 Muehlenbau Industrie AG (Miag) Brunswick, Germany
091 Friedrich Krupp Grusonwerke, Magdeburg, Germany
092 German Submarine Industry Report
093 Maschinenfabrik August-Nurnberg AG, Augsberg, Germany
094 Blohm and Voss Shipyards, Hamburg, Germany
095 Deutschewerke AG, Kiel, Germany
096 Deutsche Schiff und Maschinenbau, Bremen, Germany
097 Freidrich Krupp Germaniawerft, Kiel, Germany
098 Howardtswerke AG, Hamburg, Germany
099 Submarine Assembly Shelter, Farge, Germany
100 Bremer Vulcan, Vegesach, Germany
101 Ordnance Industry Report
102 Freidrich Krupp Grusonwerke AG, Magdeberg, Germany
103 Bochumer Verin fuer Gusstahlfabrikation AG, Bochum, Germany
104 Henchel & Sohn, Kassel, Germany
105 Rheinmetall-Borsing, Dusseldorf, Germany
106 Hermann Goering Werke, Braunschweig, Hallendorf, Germany
107 Hannoverische Maschinenbau, Hamnnover, Germany
108 Gusstahlfabrik Freidrich Krupp, Essen, Germany

Oil Division


115 Amnoniawerke Merseburg GmbH, Leuna, Germany - 2 appendices
116 Braunkohle Bezin AG, Zeitz and Bohlen, Germany Wintershall AG, Luetzkendorf, Germany
117 Ludwigshafen-Oppau Worls of IG Farbenindustrie AG, Ludwigshafen, Germany
118.1 Ruhroel Hydrogenation Plant, Bottrop-Boy, Germany Vol. 1
118.2 Ruhroel Hydrogenation Plant, Bottrop-Boy, Germany Vol. 2
119 Rhenania Ossag Mineraloelwerke AG, Harburg Refinery, Hamburg, Germany
120 Rhenania Ossag Mineraloelwerke AG, Grasbrook Refinery, Hamburg, Germany
121 Rhenania Ossag Mineraloelwerke AG, Wilhelmsburg Refinery, Hamburg, Germany
122.1 Gewerkschaft Victor, Castrop-Rauxel, Germany Vol. 1
122.2 Gewerkschaft Victor, Castrop-Rauxel, Germany Vol. 2
123 Europaeische Tanklager und Transport AG, Hamburg, Germany
124 Ebano Asphalt Werke AG, Harburg Refinery, Hamburg, Germany
125.1 Meerbeck Rheinpreussen Synthetic Oil Plant Vol. 1
125.2 Meerbeck Rheinpreussen Synthetic Oil Plant Vol. 2
126 Deutsche Dunlop Gummi Co., Hanau on Main, Germany
127 Continental Gummiwerke, Hannover, Germany
128 Huels Synthetic Rubber Plant
129 Ministerial Report on German Rubber Industry
130 Elektrochemischewerke, Munich, Germany
131 Schoenebeck Explosive Plant, Lignose Sprengstoff Werke GmbH, Bad Salzemen, Germany
132 Plants of Dynamit AG, Vormal, Alfred Nobel & Co., Troisdorf, Ckausthal, Drummel and Duneberg, Germany
133 Deutsche Sprengchemie GmbH, Kraiburg, Germany

Physical Damage Division


135 Villacoublay Airdrome, Paris, France
136 Railroad Repair Yards, Malines, Belgium
137 Railroad Repair Yards, Louvain, Belgium
138 Railroad Repair Yards, Hasselt, Belgium
139 Railroad Repair Yards, Namur, Belgium
140 Submarine Pens, Brest, France
141 Powder Plant, Angouleme, France
142 Powder Plant, Bergerac, France
143 Coking Plants, Montigne & Liege, Belgium
144 Fort St. Blaise Verdun Group, Metz, France
145 Gnome et Rhone, Limoges, France
146 Michelen Tire Factory, Clermont-Ferrand, France
147 Gnome et Rhone Aero Engine Factory, Le Mans, France
148 Kugelfischer Bearing Ball Plant, Toulouse, France
149 Louis Berguret Aircraft Plant, Toulouse, France
150 SNCASE Aircraft Plant, Toulouse, France
151 AIA Aircraft Plant, Toulouse, France



155 Goldenberg Thermal Electric Power Station, Knapsack, Germany
156 Brauweiler Transformer & Switching Station, Brauweiler, Germany
157 Storage Depotm Nahbollenbach, Germany
158 Railway and Road Bridge, Bad Munster, Germany
159 Railway Bridge, Eller, Germany
160 Gustloff-Werke Weimar, Weimar, Germany
161 Henschell & Sohn GmbH, Kassel, Germany
162 Ares Surveyat Primasens, Germany
163 Hanomag, Hanover, Germany
164 MAN Werke Augsburg, Augsburg, Germany
165 Friedrich Krupp AG, Essen, Germany
166 Erla Maschinenwerke, GmbH, Heiterblick, Germany
167 ATG Maschinenbau GmbH, Mockau, Germany
168 Erla Maschinenwerke, GmbH, Mockau, Germany
169 Bayerische Motorenwerke GmbH, Taucha, Germany
170 Mittel-Deusche Motorenwerke GmbH, Taucha, Germany
171 Submarine Pens Deutshe-Werft, Hamburg, Germany
172 Multi-Storied Structures, Hamburg, Germany
173 Comtinental Gummiwerke, Hanover, Germany
174 Kassel Marshalling Yards, Kassel, Germany
175 Ammoniawerke, Merseburg-Leuna, Germany
176 Brown Boveri et Cie, Mannheim, Kafertal, Germany
177 Adam Opel AG, Russelheim, Germany
178 Daimler-Benz AG, Unterturkheim, Germany
179 Valentin Submarine Assembly, Farge, Germany
180 Volkswaggonwerke, Fallersleben, Germany
181 Railway Viaduct at Bielefeld, Germany
182 Ship Yards Howaldtswerke, Hamburg, Germany
183 Blohm and Voss Shipyards, Hamburg, Germany
184 Daimler-Benz AG, Mannheim, Germany
185 Synthetic Oil Palnt, Meerbeck-Hamburg, Germany
186 Gewerkschaft, Victor, Castrop-Rauxel, Germany
187 Klockner Humboldt Deutz, Ulm, Germany
188 Ruhtoel Hydrogenation Plant, Bottrop-Boy, Germany
189 Neukirchen Eisenwerke AG, Neukirchen, Germany
190 Railway Viaduct at Alterbecken, Germany
191 Railway Viaduct at Arnsburg, Germany
192 Deurag-Nerag Refineries, Misburg, Germany
193 Fire Raids on Germany Cities
194.1 IG Farbenindustrie, Ludwigshafen, Germany Vol. 1
194.2 IG Farbenindustrie, Ludwigshafen, Germany Vol. 2
195 Roundhouse in Marshalling Yard, Ulm, Germany
196 IG Farbenindustrie, Leverkusen, Germany
197 Chemische-Werke, Huels, Germany
198 Gremberg Marshalling Yard, Gremberg, Germany
199 Locomotive Shops and Bridges at Hamm, Germany

Ok, THAT's what I need, thanks.

Roy, feel like putting it all into a spreadsheet for me?

Jeez Peter looking at that reminds me of my childhood

Woodford and Ringway were just a bike ride from where I lived, and every day dozens of aircraft flew right over our house and turned the TV picture to "snow".

Did you include Crewe- there was an engine works, and a Rolls Royce factory, but that may have only made vehicles in WW2 as it did when I worked there in 1966.

Ray

Obviously most of the UK industrial cities are missing from the default ETO- a big PITA


Jel

Well, I can always "re-purpose" some of the targets and move them to a new location. Not actually too hard.

The trick is to add their names to "tarnames.str" and "tarnames.txt". Then you can add them, choosing an appropriate target as the "tfl" to copy.
There are certainly city tiles in the default tilemap where Manchester, Liverpool and Bristol would have been.

I was thinking more about changing some targets to a new location rather than adding targets. Not sure which would be better though I know how to move targets from setting up SPAW.

Yes, I'll work on it.

Thank you very much.

Hi Ray and Roy,

Here are a few more for you.

To aircraft add De Havilland making Mosquitos at Hatfield.

Jelly is right about Rolls Royce aero engine factories - Merrills Farm Crewe, Hillington Glasgow and Osmanston Derby. Add Bristol at Filton Bristol, Napiers at Acton in West London and Ford at Trafford Park Manchester all making aero engines (Ford made Merlins).

I will not list the 40 or so Royal Ordnance works making shells, mines, rockets, torpedoes etc but Woolwich Arsenal, Royal Smalls Arms factory at Enfield, and Royal Gunpowder Factory at Waltham Abbey, all in London, and Birmingham Small Arms at Small Heath Birmingham all made weapons - in fact the BSA had over a dozen shadow factories such as Tipton, Dudley, Smethwick, Tyseley, Bromsgrove all in the Birmingham area making Browing .303 guns, and Stoke, Corsham and Newcastle under Lyme making 20mm Hispanos.

Other armament manufacturers worth considering are Vulcan Foundry Newton Le Willows in Cheshire making tanks, ditto John Fowler at Hunslet in Leeds. LMS railway made tanks at Crewe and Horwich nr Bolton. North British Loco Co at Springburn and Polmadie in Glasgow, Harland and Woolf in Belfast, Vickers Armstrong at Elswick in Newcastle upon Tyne, Metropolitan Cammell at Saltley in Birmingham, Birmingham Railway Carriage and Wagon in Smethwick Birmingham, Vauxhall Motors at Luton in Bedfordshire all made tanks, and Vauxhall made trucks at their Dunstable works, as did AEC at Walthamstowe in London.

More Tank manufacturers were the Nuffield Group primarily Morris Motors at Cowley nr Oxford, Coventry and Ward End Birmingham. Another motor company involved in tank production was Leyland motors at Leyland Lancs and the Dennis Group made tanks as well as lorries at their Woodbridge works in Guildford.

Sheffield of course had numerous steelworks, and the Clyde had many shipbuilders but I don't know if you have appropriate tiles for any of those.

There are many more but that should give you a few to work on. As you will note, the Coventry and Birmingham areas were good targets for the Luftwaffe as was Manchester.

Good luck,

Pete

I'm working on Deutschland.

I started looking up Focke Wulf factories and that starts in Bremen. The whole area has major targets along the Wesser river from the mouth at Bremerhaven to Bremen - Vegesack and Oldenburg area which was major AC and Ships builder area (Focke Wulf, Bremer Vulkan AG, Deutsche Schiff und Maschinenbau, AG Weser, etc).

What I'm finding in comparison to EAW world is much of the default map terrain and cities, is slightly off, especially where rivers are concerned.
Unfortunately the EAW terrains won't match if we try to fix it now.

So this could be a bit of work to consider.

In most areas it doesn't matter much, but as this area is along the major river Wesser and there are U-boat pens, etc. and a lot of shipping it will be odd.

Bremen is close but not on the river as it should be (few tiles). You'll have to add city tiles, or move the city over a bit.
The airfield should be on the other side of the Wesser its where the FW190 factory was. Vegesack is too far inland, wrong terrain; city on a lake, its supposed to be along on the river, up river, has Uboat production bunker "Valentin".


Ray, I'm not much for excel spreadsheets, was going to use html / webpages unless it matters?
I'm not sure what data you want?

I started from the premise to get first some major plants, approx location, then try to get a reasonable longitude / lat. and then maybe approx EAW world location.
But that requires research and as I pointed out, it won't line up in many cases such as the rivers. I can approx a location on the river, but it may not match the city. Or vice -versa

So do you want me to estimate based on real world or EAW world, Or not?

Or if you have a spreadsheet with columns for data you want specified, it would be useful.