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#3395596 - 09/22/11 06:28 PM Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light?  
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#3395624 - 09/22/11 07:02 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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In the 1860s, Maxwell discovered his four PDE equations governing the electric field. These equations all give an advanced solution that seem to indicate a break with causality and an event could be seen before it happens. When Fenyman came along 90 years later, he interpreted this as antimatter traveling backwards in time, but the solution is also equally valid if you say particles can move faster than light speed c. Since the results are so strange, mainstream physicist and engineers have discarded the advanced solutions and normalized the retarded solutions (the ones relevant to our physical world). For the LHC, it is possible new and strange results will emerge; that is why it was built. But, I have a feeling this is a detector issue. Time will tell....


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#3395629 - 09/22/11 07:07 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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WG - Another interesting way this might go is that we've been using photons as the benchmark for the speed of light. Imagine if actually they are a tiny bit slower than c. That way relativity still all squares up and these results make sense. It's an exciting time, in that our model has so far been proven so right in so many ways before, but again this..

You might be right about the detector issue, but LHC have been down-playing this for 3 years and continuously retesting. Even if it's a LHC wrong assumption on how distance/neutrino types are assumed to be then it's a big deal.

#3395630 - 09/22/11 07:09 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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#3395706 - 09/22/11 08:42 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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#3395736 - 09/22/11 09:10 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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simple, the particles took a shortcut.


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#3395737 - 09/22/11 09:12 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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Thx for linking FF, very interesting! I'd be amazed if it turns out to be true.


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#3395751 - 09/22/11 09:34 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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This will be amazing if true. It's also a great snapshot of how modern science works. They've spotted something odd and theoretically impossible, so they're opening up what they've done, and saying 'hey guys, look at this, have we stuffed up or is this awesome?'

It also made me think of this quote:

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny...' " ~Isaac Asimov

#3395761 - 09/22/11 09:47 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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Originally Posted By: FearlessFrog


Isn't that why they are called Theories.


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#3395768 - 09/22/11 09:55 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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If this turns out to be true, it strongly suggests the possibility of sending information back in time.

That should make the outcome of all past wars considerably more interesting than just chapters in history textbooks.

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#3395775 - 09/22/11 10:03 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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Already been done , just ask Adolf wink


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#3395789 - 09/22/11 10:11 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: Ajay]  
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Already been done , just ask Adolf wink


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#3395794 - 09/22/11 10:22 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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The whole time travel thing will never work, just ask AsianAvenger.


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#3395801 - 09/22/11 10:41 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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Very interesting article. If true, it would be a major scientific discovery.

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#3395809 - 09/22/11 10:58 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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The important question here is, if this is true, what sort of new weapons can we make with this information?

Cheers!

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#3395841 - 09/22/11 11:50 PM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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#3395873 - 09/23/11 12:52 AM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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I am stoked. I had a huge argument with my father in law about this. He was very arrogantly saying that it was "irrefutable" and "impossible" that the speed of light could be exceeded. He dismissed my statement of "well, there is a lot that we don't know that people just THINK we KNOW." I'm amazed at how otherwise intelligent people can insist that the current science is definitely final when eons of history demonstrate over and over again that the universe is so complex such as to be infinitely incomprehensible. Of course, I'm Christian and he's about as anti religion as it gets and this is what caused the entire discussion.

I cannot wait to see him.


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#3395874 - 09/23/11 12:56 AM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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FearlessFrog, I enjoyed your link, thanks!


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#3395876 - 09/23/11 01:01 AM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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Interesting stuff. May have to rewrite a lot of physics textbooks.


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#3395886 - 09/23/11 01:18 AM Re: Subatomic particles have exceeded the speed of light? [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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Without more evidence, I too believe this is a calibration error, or equipment malfunction.
But, the LHC will make some astonishing finds.

Was it George Carlin who said, "everything you were taught was wrong."


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