#4053370 - 12/19/14 08:01 PM
The dominant life forms in the Universe are...
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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-dom...elligent-robotsThe Dominant Life Form in the Cosmos Is Probably Superintelligent Robots
If and when we finally encounter aliens, they probably wont look like little green men, or spiny insectoids. Its likely they wont be biological creatures at all, but rather, advanced robots that outstrip our intelligence in every conceivable way. While scores of philosophers, scientists and futurists have prophesied the rise of artificial intelligence and the impending singularity, most have restricted their predictions to Earth. Fewer thinkersoutside the realm of science fiction, that ishave considered the notion that artificial intelligence is already out there, and has been for eons.
Susan Schneider, a professor of philosophy at the University of Connecticut, is one who has. She joins a handful of astronomers, including Seth Shostak, director of NASAs Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, or SETI, program, NASA Astrobiologist Paul Davies, and Library of Congress Chair in Astrobiology Stephen Dick in espousing the view that the dominant intelligence in the cosmos is probably artificial. In her paper Alien Minds," written for a forthcoming NASA publication, Schneider describes why alien life forms are likely to be synthetic, and how such creatures might think. Cylons! And they are already here: http://www.thescifishow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Disturbing.jpg
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#4053397 - 12/19/14 08:24 PM
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If it bleeds we can kill it. Just don't network every single ship we have together in some sort of idiotic "we didn't bother watching Terminator" fashion.
Scully: Victim died of multiple stab wounds. Mulder: *throws her a file* Ever heard of the knife alien?
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#4053411 - 12/19/14 09:11 PM
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Endless Space tells me they spend their time playing god for their amusement and eventually cave in on themselves and go extinct
Scully: Victim died of multiple stab wounds. Mulder: *throws her a file* Ever heard of the knife alien?
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#4053413 - 12/19/14 09:14 PM
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...Assuming they've solved the problems associated with space and time travel, a race which has got that far should conceivably be known to us already. Maybe that is an indication that those problems just can't be solved in any practical way. Maybe uncountable lifeforms have reached the point where they believe or even know that there are other intelligent beings out there, but the time/space problem keeps us completely isolated. Sad thought.
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#4053414 - 12/19/14 09:17 PM
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They go through and postulate that such races will likely be so radically different that their thought processes will be totally alien to anything a human would understand. So, if they are so advanced, why aren't we seeing them? You dont spend a whole lot of time hanging out reading books with your goldfish. On the other hand, you dont really want to kill the goldfish, either. I don't consider that a good answer to that question. So on the one hand, their thought processes are something completely on another level that we could never understand, and on the other, they make use of analogy that would appeal to the understanding of a human being in order to explain what they're really up to.
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#4053417 - 12/19/14 09:21 PM
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Maybe that is an indication that those problems just can't be solved in any practical way. Maybe uncountable lifeforms have reached the point where they believe or even know that there are other intelligent beings out there, but the time/space problem keeps us completely isolated. Sad thought.
Sure, that is an answer that makes sense, at least insofar as we as human beings could understand. What they are trying to do is make us imagine scenarios that are unimaginable, and at the same time, relate it in terms that we would understand. It's a bit of contradiction in the way they explain why these alien races wouldn't bother with us- they could, but who wants to mess with a goldfish. That's way too lame, in my opinion.
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#4053422 - 12/19/14 09:22 PM
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It begs the question: what do races that reach that level of knowledge and power spend their time doing?
They buy luxury planets from Magrathea.
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#4053457 - 12/19/14 10:29 PM
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Saints Row IV tells me they wander the universe pillaging all before them, before getting smacked over the head with a giant purple dildo... LOL
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#4053594 - 12/20/14 09:56 AM
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So, another session of hammering on Fermi's Paradox?
Before one can speculate with any proficiency about the motivations of putative aliens, one ought to spend time introspecting on the nature of ones own motivations, their source and nature. It's not something that we have ever been particularly good at, or even interested in, as a society. Presumably it must on one level all trace back to chemistry, but subjectively we seem largely in ignorance of the hierarchy of our own reasons for action, as far as I have seen. People seem to spend a lot of time striving for things, which they then may discover fail to satisfy them, once achieved.
I have made some observations here before about the nature of depression; that is a state brought on by vagueries of chemistry, which can rob all experience of the spark of joy that drives us to seek it. The dopamine fails to release, and motivation is totally undercut. If an advanced lifeform acquires the skills to rework its own construction, might it not just arrange for the alien equivalent of liberal release of dopamine for little effort? This is precarious stuff. What is the value of anything once you've discovered that you can alter your own degree of appreciation for things?
There is a very primordial circuitry developed in mammals to guide the programming of the young brain. People learn very early in life to adopt a set of values, what is good to eat, what is important to pay attention to, either for its beneficial or hazardous properties; what ideas to embrace, and what to deplore. Thus culture is developed and bequeathed to new generations. With power over one's inner workings, all this can be undercut. The semantics of What Is Important laid down at the very root of personality is then imperilled. You could rewrite yourself. You could become something which seethes with ecstasy at the sight of any light (oooh! shiny!), or be so unmoved as to watch impassively as you starve and die, though food is in reach.
This can be highly subversive, if one has constructed a personal understanding of truth based on the bedrock of learned Importance. What do you make of yourself when you are given the ability to define your own profile of motivation (which is to say, your personality)? Say you try out a couple of alternatives (assuming you don't alter things to the point that you no longer are interested in doing alterations), then you sit there and think, what is the appropriate structure my motivation should have? What should I be, what should I desire?
I don't think we have any idea what sort of answer an entity with these capabilities might give itself.
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Exodus
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