Well, Well... StarForce say they have a forum where people can post questions they have about their product.

2 days ago I joined the forum (under the name `spider252`), and posted the question "How can I be sure StarForce is removed if I delete SH3 ?"

StarForce have DELETED this thread, it seems they are only a `good news` company and do not want this type of discussion (what price freedom of speech ?)

The question still stands "How can I be sure StarForce is removed if I delete SH3 ?

So come on Mr StarForce answer my question, put your PR `face on` and stand-up and be counted.. or are we only now finding out what you`re really like ?

(I hope the moderators of this forum do not start deleting threads they find awkward)

Beating a dead horse here. We already know starforce sucks. Next.

Steam, OTH, is our friend.

Hmmm. Not sure what happened there spider252. I will tell you that they have come into the StarForce thread sticky (as you know), and posted the link to their forum. In addition, they have been very forthright in soliciting our questions about their product. I have just recently submitted those, so we need to give them an opportunity to review them, etc.

I would caution not to be too quick to judge. I know there's some ill will about StarForce, as Operator illustrates, but also think they're trying to help. Did you repost the question? Perhaps it was a inadvertant error.

I believe there is a small app that removes StarForce after you have deleted SH3.

As to our forums, we don't delete threads that are "awkward". We may delete them for rules violations, in the opinion of the Moderator or Admin. I would think at 239 posts you would know that.

20mm... I`ll wait and see what SF say, I did check their forum and the last time my post was `active` there had been 67 views - the next time I checked the post was gone ??

I`ll give odds that they come back and say "oops... slip of the finger"

I was pointed in the direction of the application to remove SF (think it was Kail )

I apologize if my post caused anger with SimHQ moderators/admin that was not my intention, my anger lies in another direction.

Starforce, unfortunately, isn't dead.

I will, however, keep beating it until it is.

This may seem like an old tired worn out discussion to many, but for me its new and relevant since I've finally purchased SHIII (waiting for delivery). I've been reading up to see if there've been any new developments these past few months, but alas I'm getting the picture that nothing's really changed - SF causes problems for some and doesn't cause problems for others.

I seem to recall that Eagle Dynamics released a patch to remove SF from their Lockon Flaming Cliffs (I could be wrong though since I don't have it). I guess I'm just fantasizing that the same thing will happen with SHIII.
Lev.

Starforce isn't removed from Flaming Cliffs. They released a patch to remove the 5x install limitation.

Thanks Gloucester.

SimHQ's has always been quite straight forward about their rules....and I have much respect for 20mm and all the MODs here. I try to follow the rules of any forum I visit. But I also try to get my POV across at the same time.
I don't normally post at UBI forums... ...but as this 'Starforce' problem has me seriously worried about the future of simulation games, I have much invested in this hobby so I have been posting in all the Starforce threads, here, SubSim, and UBI. But I keep it down to one, or two posts in any thread. NOT spamming anything.
But....
My last post at UBI on the SHIII forum was this below;
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"Just wondering....how many people own computers who do not have access to the internet, but installed a 'Starforce' game on their computer.

And now have no idea what is wrong with their DVD/CD burners, CTD's, etc...etc....

They uninstall the game....but still have 'Starforce' and their 'hidden drivers'....and their grief goes on....and on...and on.. :rolleyes: .

Nice move Starforce"
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Then I got an E'Mail, stating I had been banned from their forums, for.....'spamming'????
Not signed by any moderator. I was never advised or warned about anything.

Odd.

I have been posting at flight sim and political forums for about 8 years, I have NEVER been banned, from anywhere, until that post.

Be advised.....the tentacles of 'Starforce' may be reaching much farther than we know..... . It appears 'someone' is certainly trying to 'silence' people who speak out against it.

Interesting.


......The 'fat' lady has not sung quite yet.