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#68594 - 03/23/05 11:10 AM
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That lasted what? One week?
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#68595 - 03/23/05 11:17 AM
Re: SHIII Starforce has been cracked
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Originally posted by I am a Dalek:
That lasted what? One week? Damn... I sank two trawlers last night. Looks like a missed one.
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#68596 - 03/23/05 11:24 AM
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Damn... I sank two trawlers last night. Looks like a missed one. :D  :p
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#68597 - 03/23/05 11:48 AM
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I wouldn't take any notice of them dude.
After all the guff about starforce being such a step forward in copy protection, and after thousands of people saying it's messing up their machines and numerous simmers not touching the game because of it.
Without wanting to keep a flame going, i say ... find an alternative.
You can't out do 15 year olds with brains and coffee who simply won't stop cracking protection - Why?
Because they can.
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#68598 - 03/23/05 11:59 AM
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..and bless their little ADD hearts... because of them i'll be able to support the devs (indirectly) by purchasing a product i would not have if things had been left to the publisher.
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#68599 - 03/23/05 12:07 PM
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unfortunately still V1.0
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#68600 - 03/23/05 12:15 PM
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Can i say 'little scumbags' -there i just did! To all the dysfunctionals out there that don't buy *anything* and think that stealing is ok. Your a complete waste of DNA 
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#68601 - 03/23/05 12:52 PM
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(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
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Those crackers are good folks deep down inside. Heck, they always say "If you like it, buy it" in their nfo files . . . or so I've heard. By the way, what's an nfo file? I once heard some old ladies talking about it in line at the supermarket. 
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#68602 - 03/23/05 01:15 PM
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What amaze me the most is seeing game developers or publishers still spending money on copy protection...
They could just throw that money out the window, anything is cracked within days of its release nowadays...
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#68603 - 03/23/05 01:24 PM
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I don't understand it either. Who exactly are they trying to prevent from copying their stuff? Casual copiers? Seriously how big of a loss do you think casual copying is?
Like it's that hard to take the cd to a friends house, isntall it and then put a No CD crack on. Anyone smart enough to hit a discussion board on a forum probably easily has enough brains to find a torrent site nowdays or knows where to get no cd cracks. These copy protections, i'll argue time and time again do NOTHING but hurt legit customers. Not just from incompatibilities but also from increased cost of software.
The problem is these starforce buttwipes are in business and in essence are parasites on their own. They use made up figures and statistics to sell a product that doesn't work as advertised and generates tons of support calls and excess costs.
I mean seriously, starforce isn't cheap to implement, not only do they ahve to pay for the "technology" itself, but they also have to pay for the increased support volume caused by all the issues.
I cannot fathom how this makes good business sense to anyone, or is it something else. Are the suits at the game companies that choose to implement this stuff so incredibly out of touch with the modern gamer that they don't realize how easy and widespread no CD cracks and torrent sites are? Maybe they seriously think this stuff works.
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#68604 - 03/23/05 01:27 PM
Re: SHIII Starforce has been cracked
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sorry guys, but im glad that they cracked it.
I bought my game, as I always do, but now, i'd be more than happy to crack the ****ing starforce and being able to play without that stupid starforce check, and not having to always put my DVD in the DVD player.
Any link for that thing ? plz email me at
teambravin<-AT->hotmail<-dot->com
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#68605 - 03/23/05 01:47 PM
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Perhaps the companies make enough in the initial volume of sales to justify using new protection schemes. Every day the game remains uncracked is another day the developers can convince people to purchase the game rather than download a cracked copy. It's unfortunate that the more complicated the protections become, the more likely it will cause compatibility problems for the paying consumer. I doubt any game publishing company really believes the protection will be uncrackable as stated by the encryption developers. Unfortunately, the more intrusive and problematic the protection, the more it becomes the focus of groups to crack it. Starforce has been out for quite a while now but UBI probably decided to use it earlier in the development stage when it would have been more beneficial to them. Oh well. I know it was made in jest but for the curious, NFO is short form for Information and is an ASCII-extended text file. I think it became sort of a standard used to overcome the problems of transfer binary files in newsgroups in the yesteryears. It's like using a signature in a forum to identify yourselves. It is linked with the associated file, therebye giving credibility for the crack to the group. If crackers were just true puzzle solvers I would think that cracking it would be enough and signing it would only invite possible conviction. Still, maybe it gives them better access to other files in the trading ether and makes them feel good for a job well done.  S!
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#68606 - 03/23/05 01:59 PM
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IBTL Lets face it guys, SimHQ has clearly told people their standpoint on piracy and advocating it in any way is not going to be tolerated. So I suggest you let the matter drop.
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#68607 - 03/23/05 02:03 PM
Re: SHIII Starforce has been cracked
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Why would it be locked? I see no link and it doesn't break any rules laid out unless it is being taken as a copyright issue. It's ok to talk about probems with starforce but not discuss solutions? Think of it a a public service message.
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#68608 - 03/23/05 02:06 PM
Re: SHIII Starforce has been cracked
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I'm thankful for the crack because I was having errors related to Starforce preventing me from playing the game. After I found the crack on the internet, I applied it and the game now runs.
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#68609 - 03/23/05 02:30 PM
Re: SHIII Starforce has been cracked
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(Heterosexual)Tchaikovsky Ballet Fan
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I just bought nearly $2,000 worth of music production/composition/editing software and don't have to put the CDs in the drive because they don't require it. Every one of these programs is available as pirated downloads and still the makers of the apps don't burden me with all that useless Starforce trash. We're talking $500-$700 per program . . . and games are $40-$50 per program on the average? I'm sorry that some publishers bought into those useless protection schemes. They get sold on it like fat people on bogus diets.
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#68610 - 03/23/05 02:42 PM
Re: SHIII Starforce has been cracked
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robbster, can you mail me plz ?
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#68611 - 03/23/05 02:51 PM
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I emailed you 1/2hr ago Merlin.
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#68612 - 03/23/05 03:04 PM
Re: SHIII Starforce has been cracked
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thx mate ! got it. Waiting for 1.1 though thx for the tip !
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#68613 - 03/23/05 03:09 PM
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Nice one guys....let's all promote piracy :rolleyes: I've never heard so much bull from a bunch that harks on about "let's all *supposedly* support the developer" then downloads and supports the muppets that make the cracks, THEN goes on about how STARFORCE is 'this-that-the-next-thing.' Like it's not like you woke up today and bought SH3 and it's THE FIRST GAME TO HAVE COPYRIGHT PROTECTION IS IT  Yeah it's all a conspiracy, the worlds after your computer. What a bunch... So it's ok to blame the developer but -obviously- not the 'bedroom lizards' that instigate copyprotection in the first place??? take a long hard look at what you've wrote in 5years when you've grown up enough to understand it.....live for today s@ew up tomorrow eh?
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#68614 - 03/23/05 03:21 PM
Re: SHIII Starforce has been cracked
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I HAVE BOUGHT IT- you want me to give you the picture of myself with the game ?
it is my right not to have to plug my DVD in each time i want to play-
This kind of protection only bother honest people that buy the game, and want to play freely, without having to use DVD or hardware check each time they play..
Crack junkie will never be bothered by any kind of protection.. because on their version it has no such thing.
Grow up mate.. when 10 people work on a prtection to bother honest people, 10000 people try to crack it-
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#68615 - 03/23/05 03:22 PM
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Number of illegal downloads can be tracked. This number is used to justify increasing copy protection invasiveness. Number of illegal downloads that later become sales cannot be tracked. So go ahead and download it, you'll just be pushing us one step closer to something even worse the Starforce.
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#68616 - 03/23/05 03:30 PM
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I didnt download my game. I bought it-
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#68617 - 03/23/05 03:31 PM
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You guys are confusing illegal downloads of the game with applications of the nodvd crack patched to a legally gained copy of the game.
Two different things.
I don't have much of a stance on the issue either way. Other than wishing i didn't have to deal with annoying copyright protection.
The fact remains, i have no ill-begotten games on my hard-drive, but EVERY game on my hard-drive has a nocd crack if it requires a cd... I just don't have the ability to easily swap cd's... some are gone forever and without the cracks i couldn't play the games i paid for.
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#68618 - 03/23/05 03:36 PM
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Looks around >>>>>> Hmmmmm Is this the Flame board,,,,,,, Nope. I detect allot of hot tempers here. Let us not turn this form into anouther SimHQ form I can think about.
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#68619 - 03/23/05 04:37 PM
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I can stand a certain amount of hassle with copy protection.. but this one is very nasty...
Sometimes if I don't get a good connect to the internet my computer just hangs for about five minutes.. even CTL ALT DEL doesn't work...
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#68620 - 03/23/05 05:11 PM
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#68621 - 03/23/05 05:35 PM
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I haven't had any problems with SH3 and Starforce. Come to think of it, I didn't have any problems with Steam and HL2.
I must be an enigma. Maybe I should sell my computer to NSA so they can figure out what makes it tick.
Strangely, I do not feel that my virtue is being violated when I see the "Checking DVD" message that flashes on my screen for 3 or 4 seconds out of the two minutes it takes to load the program and a saved campaign.
Serious compatibility issues between Starforce and computer systems is one thing, but if you just can't be bothered with putting a DVD in the tray... how do you watch movies?
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#68622 - 03/23/05 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by akdavis:
Number of illegal downloads can be tracked. This number is used to justify increasing copy protection invasiveness. Number of illegal downloads that later become sales cannot be tracked. So go ahead and download it, you'll just be pushing us one step closer to something even worse the Starforce. I emailed Merlin the link to the no DVD crack and not the full game. There is nothing wrong with using nocd/ncodvd cracks. And just to go on record: I don't even have SHIII on my machine as I haven't been able to find it in my local store yet. But when I do I will be playing it with no DVD in the drive too as I do many of my games. I started this thread as a public service announcement and to just show how futile Starforce really is. All Starforce has done is cause grievance to the legit consumer. End of story.
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#68623 - 03/23/05 06:46 PM
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Well now that theres a way around this Starforce thing, I will buy it. So much for the piracy arguement.
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#68624 - 03/23/05 07:55 PM
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Does this keep Starforce from installing? I don't want it on my 'puter if it can mess up things like I've read (but I really REALLY want to try this game but won't risk that on my spankin' new XPS!).....
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#68625 - 03/23/05 08:30 PM
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What you do is install SHIII and it will install Starforce. You apply the nodvd crack to SHIII and then you get the Starforce remover from the Starforce website and remove Starforce from your machine. You can now play SHIII without the Starforce checks or Starforce on your PC.Only problem is that this crack is for SHIII v1.0 and not the v1.1 patch. I would wait for a 1.1 nodvd crack unless you are ok playing with v1.0 for now.
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#68626 - 03/23/05 11:28 PM
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thats the only downfall of no-cd cracks.
You have to wait for the appropriate crack for the the new patch.
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#68627 - 03/24/05 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by 2GvSAP_Wingnut:
I haven't had any problems with SH3 and Starforce. Come to think of it, I didn't have any problems with Steam and HL2.
I must be an enigma. Maybe I should sell my computer to NSA so they can figure out what makes it tick.
Strangely, I do not feel that my virtue is being violated when I see the "Checking DVD" message that flashes on my screen for 3 or 4 seconds out of the two minutes it takes to load the program and a saved campaign.
Serious compatibility issues between Starforce and computer systems is one thing, but if you just can't be bothered with putting a DVD in the tray... how do you watch movies? Let us both be part of the 'Enigma' because i too have never had a problem with copy protection. Soldiers:Heroes of WW2, X-2: The Threat and now SH3 use Starforce -so what? So how do you lot think that piracy starts? Let's see...Borrow copy of SH3 from mate/ or buy install, then remove starforce copy protection with **NO DVD CARACK** then return game to shop/give back to mate -yes there are plenty who still take it back, then mate **DOESN'T** buy a copy now and VOILA!! your helped piracy... :rolleyes: Then congratulate yourselves openly on this forum for passing the DVD crack around amongst yourselves..really and you say *I* should grow up...well there's common sense eh.
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#68628 - 03/24/05 03:00 AM
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I too have bought SH3 the day it came out, and besides an issue with the refresh rate on my pc, I had no trouble, installing it or running it;
StarForce did not make any trouble either, so I should be a happy camper, and indeed I am;
BUT - as I do creep out of the legal corner of education, I consider the issues many people had with StarForce a little more serious than some guys here who ***** about "promoting piracy" when using no-cd cracks!
in German, EULAs are called "Software Nutzungsverträge" or "contracts for usage of software" which is more appropriate I think;
when I buy a game, I am allowed to use it within the legal constraints, a country provides;
therefor, using no-cd cracks is not illegal in itself;
forcing people who have honestly bought the game to refrain from using copy software they also have purchased honestly is a breach of several laws though!
protecting ones intellectual property is one thing, forcing normal people to do what the creator of this intellectual property wants is another thing though!
Imagine being prohibited to use paper and pencil when you buy a book because you could copy the book that way and sell the copys then?
sounds strange? well, technically, copy protection that enforces deinstallation of copy software does the same;
the legal restraints that provide protection for intellectual property should be sufficient to achieve the desired goal, protecting intellectual property-of course, they are not!
but making it impossible to use other software is a breach of law too, and a more serious one IMHO!
I would love to see the creators of software like Nero, WinOnCD or CloneCD/DVD suing the designers of copy protection software that prohibits use of those proggies;
I had issues with PF and Splinter Cell, both refused to work with CloneDVD installed and could only run with no-cd "cracks" but now run flawlessly!
I have purchased all the stuff I have on my PC, with the sole exception of Photoshop CS, which I was presented with, so if someone tells me I cannot use these proggies because I could possibly copy and sell his piece of software and then make a living out of it is just plain stupid and should normally not be worth my hard earned money;
SH3 is too damn good to be missed though!
Tracer, what would you say if when buying a new car, you would be told to only tank at gas station A, because with fuel from gas station B or C, your car would not run at all?
of course you could tune your engine to work with all fuels-but what would you do then? not buy the car at all? moan about those *******s who tune their cars?
another question: just because your car is capable to exceed speed limits, would you love to see it not allowed to drive at all, even when staying within the speed limits?
how about prohibiting selling guns in the USA because people could get killed if one uses that gun for a crime?
or would you love to go out to a shooting range using dummy ammunition only because real ammo could do harm to anyone if you decide to commit a crime instead of firing into the landscape?
lets view it as it is, copy protection in the form of StarForce does not stop "pirates" from doing what they do, but obviously it stops honest people from buying the games that come with that protection because they could have trouble with it or with other proggies they use-and this is a real legal issue!
I cannot understand SimHQ´s policy of deleting or locking threads where no-cd files are promoted or mentioned, as said, where I live, no-cd files are not illegal per se, using them in conjunction with copied games would be;
but suggesting that a software user is a criminal first and has to prove that he is not with not using a no-cd does not imply good morality here either!
concerning the released crack for SH3, it is pretty worthless, as it only works with V1.0 and I guess all people who have purchased SH3 have switched to V1.1 by now;
but as soon as a crack for V1.1 is available, I will use it-because I want to conserve my original DVD and not switch between numerous discs all the time just to run a few games!
call me a pirate now, if anyone wants pictures of my original games, I will post a pic of my belongings, I do have no problem with that;
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#68629 - 03/24/05 03:01 AM
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I even seem to remember a game - think it was a ubisoft product, where the tech support folks actually ENCOURAGED the use of the noCD files because their protection system was causing so much trouble...LOMAC, was it?
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#68630 - 03/24/05 03:08 AM
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Splinter Cell 2 came close to that too! it had the same protection as PF has; I can remember reading on German SC2 boards too that the use of a no-cd is recommended, because the game could not be brought to run at all with any copy software installed; talking about protection from the protection
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#68631 - 03/24/05 03:50 AM
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i have purchased all of the il2 series and now all of the silent hunter series (among a countless number of other titles). i have never put any of these games on another computer which i did not own.
but, i do love the no-cd cracks so i don't have to use the cd anymore.
i'm not interested in cd-jacking, just cd-protecting.
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#68632 - 03/24/05 04:44 AM
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Ahhhh....so this game can be fixed to run without the "Starforce virus" running on my computer....ok...I'll buy it now  . Order placed with EB Games.
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#68633 - 03/24/05 07:04 AM
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I comlpetely agree about Starforce.
I heard from a friend who heard from his buddy who saw it on the internet that Starforce
completely fried this guys computer. Flames were coming out of the case fan.
Starforce is evil.
It allows the NSA to access your computer.
I played SH3 backwards and heard that Paul is dead. Damn Starforce.
How dare publishers try and make money on their products.
Does Deer Hunter XXI have Starforce. No! That's what I want, quality games
without copy protection.
Down with Starforce.
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#68634 - 03/24/05 07:25 AM
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I have to add as well I did not have problems installing Starforce (and listed my DVD player on the SimHQ DVD ok thread) but it does not mean other people are without problems and are very frustrated with Ubi's lack of technical support. I've been over to the SHIII official forum and there are allot of pretty miffed people having issues with their DVD players not supporting this protection. It should have been thoroughly tested as much as any patch or update can before being released on the public. It's a real shame that this happened. It isn't nice to lay knee-jerk judgements on people who just want to play their game is it? I'm bored so here's a fun trip back in time... Tracer, since you have already passed judgement rather vocally about some forum members here and have made the most noise, ask yourself: Why would anyone who is looking for a NO DVD crack for any other reason than to fix their DVD issues make a public statement supporting the endeavour and solution? It would not be the smartest move. Oh and one more thing, Here's a link: http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=57;t=001650 And a quote from your previous perspective from that link: Well CD's are pretty bullet-proof and in nearly 8 years of playing and 200+ games/sims and counting. I haven't scratched a CD bad enough for it not to work.
What i do object to is having my hardware burnt out because of copywrite protection.
One particular case was "Black & White" which **constantly** accessed the CD just to make sure it was there!! The result was my CD-ROM was constantly spooling up and down throuout the entire time you played the game. I ejected it and the CD was VERY hot and so was my damn CD drive.
So i use CD-Cracks for most of my well played sims/games.
I own my games and don't have **ANY** pirated crap!
Although funnily enough i *don't* use a crack for OFP, partly because when upgrading patches etc i can't be bothered with a reinstall if a crack screws it up. You had a problem with your hardware and found a way to fix it by using a NO-CD crack and found them rather handy. So are you ready to add yourself to the group of those you so readily accused or are you going to jump back across the fence and pretend it never happened? You can't use the cracks while condoning other forum members' reasons for its necessity. So next time think before you pass judgement eh? Read this in five years....It seems you have some growing up to do yourself.
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#68635 - 03/24/05 07:49 AM
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There's nothing like a well-placed quote. This is a good reminder to myself to think twice before I feel like getting judgemental.
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#68636 - 03/24/05 07:50 AM
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Thanks Dantes!, how long ago was that! 3 years AGO and your doing background searches on me. Now that's seriously creepy  So i suppose you haven't changed in 3 years? No because your just sooo perfect eh! B&W **RUINED** my CD-ROM drive -yeah if you had owned it you would know, it ***CONSTANTLY*** accessed the drive not a small disc check, but kept it permanently spooled up to x34That was **3 years ago!!!** I had about 3 games that i used a NO-CD on, because of that same problem, but tell me this exactly why did you search me out specificaly are you TROLLING?? As for you putting me in with todays crowd; *NOPE* nothing in common whatsoever because they **DON'T** access the CD/DVD-ROM drive constantly, like they did back then, you know 3 years ago....i also don't go around the forums asking members for cracks, or congratulating each other for doing so. What i do object to is having my hardware burnt out because of copywrite protection.BIG,BIG, difference back then.. what was it again Dantes? Oh yes 3 years ago. Copy protection more or less runs in the background now, not constantly checking to see if the CD is in the drive. For your information, bringing the conversation back today, i don't have ONE CD-CRACK on any of my 78 games installed? how about you? Oh and by the way i don't backstab people and do a dirty dragging up every word they quote in a forum going back 5years! Today is NOW present OK.
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#68637 - 03/24/05 08:06 AM
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Just making a point Tracer. I hope you got it. Actually finding the quote was pretty easy. I figured like any simmer you would have asked about a No CD at one time or another.
I'm not backstabbing you. They are your words not mine and made a good reference. Time to lay off the holier than thou attitude now don't you think?
Feel free to quote me if I ever get your backsides up on an issue.
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#68638 - 03/24/05 08:40 AM
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Well I for one am happy that the no cd has come out. I am one of the multitude of unfortunate people who have waited forever for this game...bought it...and learned that I could not play it because my non-compatible DVD-ROM would not accept the KEY I was provided. I was a few hours from taking this game back until I found the crack. Played it for a few hours now and I must say...once I got past the problem with my DVD drive...this has been a wonderful game. So thanks to this crack, the developer still has ~$44 dollars that it wouldn't have had otherwise.
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#68639 - 03/24/05 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by Dantes:
Just making a point Tracer. I hope you got it. Actually finding the quote was pretty easy. I figured like any simmer you would have asked about a No CD at one time or another.
I'm not backstabbing you. They are your words not mine and made a good reference. Time to lay off the holier than thou attitude now don't you think?
Feel free to quote me if I ever get your backsides up on an issue.
S! Quit the trolling, troll. It's only low-lifes that -when they have their backs against the wall- are desperate to dig the @hit up on ANYTHING to try and get even? Tell me who started this? Thankyou! Just remember it..
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#68640 - 03/24/05 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Tracer[formerly of CS]: Thanks Dantes!, how long ago was that! 3 years AGO and your doing background searches on me. Now that's seriously creepy
So i suppose you haven't changed in 3 years? No because your just sooo perfect eh!
B&W **RUINED** my CD-ROM drive -yeah if you had owned it you would know, it ***CONSTANTLY*** accessed the drive not a small disc check, but kept it permanently spooled up to x34
That was **3 years ago!!!**
I had about 3 games that i used a NO-CD on, because of that same problem, but tell me this exactly why did you search me out specificaly are you TROLLING??
As for you putting me in with todays crowd; *NOPE* nothing in common whatsoever because they **DON'T** access the CD/DVD-ROM drive constantly, like they did back then, you know 3 years ago....i also don't go around the forums asking members for cracks, or congratulating each other for doing so.
What i do object to is having my hardware burnt out because of copywrite protection.
BIG,BIG, difference back then.. what was it again Dantes? Oh yes 3 years ago.
Copy protection more or less runs in the background now, not constantly checking to see if the CD is in the drive. For your information, bringing the conversation back today, i don't have ONE CD-CRACK on any of my 78 games installed? how about you?
Oh and by the way i don't backstab people and do a dirty dragging up every word they quote in a forum going back 5years!
Today is NOW present OK. LOL... ...Tracer, maybe you shouldn't throw stones, it seems you've sinned when 'you' felt it was necessary. Some people are having problem with this 'latest' copyright protection...just because you aren't having problems with your system 'now',you don't need a NoCD utility. Good for you. Some people obviously are having problems with 'their' systems. Just like you did 3 years ago . What's the difference? Oh....it's 'them' not 'you'. I see . I don't D/L pirated games, never did, I am about as anti-pirates as one can get. I buy all my games. When they get the copyright protection right, without being intrusive and buggy.....fine. When they get it wrong, I elect to fix it with a NoCD, for a 'bought' game, if I can. I see no 'sin' here. You gotta admit....quite a coup Dante pulled . As far as the NoCD cutting the developers throat....the way I see it, they just put a lot of money in their pocket, promoting many sales, just read this thread. I suspect many, now, WILL buy the sim, that wouldn't have if they had to keep the 'Starforce Virus' on their computers.
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#68641 - 03/24/05 09:31 AM
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You call that a coup? That's 100% TROLLING and it's not exactly looked kindly upon on forums.
Yeah it's amazing, let's dig the dirt on Dantes or any forum member, just because they make a PRESENT day point, NOT something that i quoted 10-12months ago -how low do you get Dantes?? So low that lizards can't even get under eh?
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#68642 - 03/24/05 09:42 AM
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Tracer, it was three years ago . . . but you still stand by your stance that it was justified. That makes it apply to the present. Otherwise you would say that you were wrong back then. Are NO-CD cracks okay when it's for a bought game or not?
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#68643 - 03/24/05 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by letterboy1:
Tracer, it was three years ago . . . but you still stand by your stance that it was justified. That makes it apply to the present. Otherwise you would say that you were wrong back then. Are NO-CD cracks okay when it's for a bought game or not? I know what you are saying Letterboy, but i *didn't* gleefully boast about 'where to get *THE* no-CD crack' nor did i 'thank the person PERSONALY on the forum for emailing' the crack to them -as a couple of people above. If you or anyone use a crack with a legit copy of the game, why do you need to BOAST about it on the forums?? That's the bit that angers me, simply because how many -in this day-and-age that browse forums- are *LEGIT* owners of the game? Also by *announcing* it in public the fact that there is a no-cd patch available *AND* the other fact that the guy here emailed it around is a no-brainer. Your asking for trouble period! How do you think the ordinary lad in the street gets his first step into piracy? By doing an internet search -and bang up pops SimHQ as (possibly) his first lead. So i said that i used a no-cd crack for B&W all of 3 years ago, i did it tactfully. Not BOASTING using crap that Starforce,UBI are all out to 'get me' and that it's all a conspiracy and deliberatly harming the sales of SH3. Did I? So to make this quite clear, if you have a legit copy of SH3 and you use a no-cd crack, that's your business and nobody elses eh?
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#68644 - 03/24/05 10:32 AM
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Alright folks, alright.
First, our current policy on no-cd cracks is we do not promote their use and we do not want our site utilized for their distribution. Transmittal via email for example, or the posting of a outside link pointing to the no-cd crack for another.
That said, we are researching this issue, no-cd cracks as well as Starforce, and we hope to have some answers quite soon. Whether or not that will in turn lead to changing our current policy I cannot say.
But for now, I ask your forbearance in the discussion, and particularly the promotion and/or transmittal of no-cd cracks. I realize that most everyone has purchased the game--that is not the point. No one here is advocating software piracy, which is a clear violation of the Member Use Agreement.
OK. I'm going to leave this thread open, for now. But, separate issue, bring down the aggression level, no more name-calling, no personal attacks.
We will get back with you and respond in this thread. So stay tuned and thanks for your cooperation.
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#68645 - 03/24/05 10:55 AM
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20mm, please bear in mind that SimHQ does not consist of USA based members only, for European based people, some different rules and laws do apply; Tracer, maybe the concept of European legal systems are something you really dont care about, but let me tell you, no-cd cracks are absolutely legal here and will remain to be so! software codes that force people to refrain from using other legally bought software are definitely NOT though, and just because there has not been a court proceeding in such a case does not mean its legal and fine either! if you cannot see the difference between using a no-cd for a legally purchased product and using one for a pirated copy then its your problem! if you call anyone who is helping another person with providing a no-cd a pirate or a supporter of piracy, I would suggest shutting up if you cannot prove anything! just today, a friend called me and asked me if I could help him out-he bought SH3 and was not able to get it to run, this on a DVD Rom equipped 2 year old PC; he did not get beyond the disc verification-I emailed him a link to the no-cd, and lo and behold, it works now, albeit limited to V1.0 for the time being; he was prepared to either take the game back because he thought of a damaged DVD or even buy a new DVD drive, just because of SH3; and if you read the official forums for SH3, such stories can be read over and over again! and now Tracer, I do ask you one straight question: what do you think more harmful for the developers of SH3? the guys who use no-cd cracks for getting the game to run and then rejoice in gaming and buying any further sim from those great guys? or the guys who bought SH3 and bring it back because they do not get it to run-that way damaging sales and out of justified anger prolly never buying a game from those developers again, that way damaging future sales even more? think about it that way before you start labelling anyone who does not share your opinion a troll; in my few years in the legal business now, I have learned one thing-once people start using harsh language, they a usually out of useful arguments! now who has started accusing people of trolling?
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#68646 - 03/24/05 11:08 AM
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Wow! Tracer, chill out. You're making much ado about nothing. My only wish is that Ubisoft will read threads like this one and decide not to use Starforce in any more games because it has proven to cause too many customers grief. I think they will make more sales and create good will by not using Starforce.
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#68647 - 03/24/05 01:04 PM
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FWIW, I was a little worried with all this talk about Starforce and DVD burner probs etc; but thankfully SH3 installed and runs fine on my DVD/CD combo burner(thank you Lord)... My point is, although I am happy it works, I hate running software from disk period. It's a primitive form of software usage when you have gigabits of HD space and still have to revert to inserting a bit of plastic to make the program start to ensure your not a thief. No-CD required for me means disks out of harms way and no extra hassles. I don't think that having to insert a disk to play is really the answer to stopping Long John Silver and the likes . The net is too big and wide spread for that, and like has been mentioned, another strategy needs to be implemented to encourage and assist users rather that chastise them for the sins of the evils ones A different ethos is sorely needed; but I suppose it’s a dilemma for the chaps who produce the software and end up losing profits... What esle can they or should they do? Anyone have any ideas on what measures could be put into place for the mutual benefit of producers and users alike? Cheers
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#68648 - 03/24/05 01:52 PM
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Well, I think they should just come to the realization that pirates wouldn't buy their games in the first place because most of them are teenagers with no disposable income in the first place. They should be going after the big time cloning operations and not hassling the legit consumer over this stuff. They could go back to look up tables in manuals but then they would have to print real manuals again so I doubt they want to do that either. Either way, they need to come up with a better game plan than the likes of Starforce.
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#68649 - 03/24/05 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by BlackLion: 20mm, please bear in mind that SimHQ does not consist of USA based members only, for European based people, some different rules and laws do apply;
Tracer, maybe the concept of European legal systems are something you really dont care about, but let me tell you, no-cd cracks are absolutely legal here and will remain to be so!
software codes that force people to refrain from using other legally bought software are definitely NOT though, and just because there has not been a court proceeding in such a case does not mean its legal and fine either!
if you cannot see the difference between using a no-cd for a legally purchased product and using one for a pirated copy then its your problem!
if you call anyone who is helping another person with providing a no-cd a pirate or a supporter of piracy, I would suggest shutting up if you cannot prove anything!
just today, a friend called me and asked me if I could help him out-he bought SH3 and was not able to get it to run, this on a DVD Rom equipped 2 year old PC;
he did not get beyond the disc verification-I emailed him a link to the no-cd, and lo and behold, it works now, albeit limited to V1.0 for the time being;
he was prepared to either take the game back because he thought of a damaged DVD or even buy a new DVD drive, just because of SH3;
and if you read the official forums for SH3, such stories can be read over and over again!
and now Tracer, I do ask you one straight question: what do you think more harmful for the developers of SH3?
the guys who use no-cd cracks for getting the game to run and then rejoice in gaming and buying any further sim from those great guys?
or the guys who bought SH3 and bring it back because they do not get it to run-that way damaging sales and out of justified anger prolly never buying a game from those developers again, that way damaging future sales even more?
think about it that way before you start labelling anyone who does not share your opinion a troll;
in my few years in the legal business now, I have learned one thing-once people start using harsh language, they a usually out of useful arguments!
now who has started accusing people of trolling? What are you going on about? Read what i said ; PEOPLE are openly boasting here -as in SimHQ about using (and in one form or another) promoting piracy. I don't care if it's legal on Mars,your country or whatever to use a no-cd crack, why DO you have to go on, and on, and on, about it on the forum? If you want to personaly use a crack then GOOD! That's your choice and maybe legal in your country, but NOT ,by all means, in ALL countries. It's all very well 'hiding' behind a forum boasting isn't it. Do that to your local authorities and..well i guess we wont hear from alot of people again. SimHQ is *NOT* a site that promotes piracy or NO-CD cracks (Not the last time i looked?) If it was, do you think they would -in the future- get anymore software to review? It would be hardly doing it's bit for the 'sim' business. That's were this issue starts and ends does it not? Justify all you want, but no one here bought the SH3 no-DVD crack did they, nope. So untill that happens, don't you think it would be cool to just drop all this stupid 'boasting' talk and get on with playing LEGIT copies of SH3? Instead of everyone trying to 'outdo' themselves over who can put over the best cover story of why 'they used the No-DVD crack'
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#68650 - 03/24/05 03:48 PM
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Why do you care if people want to run their game without the DVD or not? No one is boasting about it, just stating their position and why. All I see is you ranting over something not worth ranting about.
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#68651 - 03/24/05 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by I am a Dalek:
Why do you care if people want to run their game without the DVD or not? No one is boasting about it, just stating their position and why. All I see is you ranting over something not worth ranting about. Did you read what 20mm said? Did you read *anything* before you put finger to keyboard? Did you bother reading the *LAST* post by MkH^? Nope didn't think so.....
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#68652 - 03/24/05 04:09 PM
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as a owner of SHIII that refuses to install it because once i got home with it..i found out it had SF..i had paid for this two months ago..before even picking it up
i really want to play this game...the game is going to be one of the better ones to come out in years..even though it was kinda released in a beta version with so many obvious bugs...once they get most of the bugs out of it..it will be the one of the best
now as a legal owner of of SHIII who because of SF won't play it..if it means using a no-cd crack for the very first time in my life to play this game..so be it
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#68653 - 03/24/05 04:22 PM
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Geez, Tracer...like my kids say, "relaaaaaax." Also, I have no idea where or even how to pirate software. Maybe 14 year olds do, but I wouldn't know where to start. Thus, a post saying where to go, or what to do to avoid Starforce stuff is very worthwhile to a big dummy like me.
I am as anti pirate as anyone could get. No one is advocating piracy. I don't steal a $50 game, or a $.01 game, or anything else. Eternal damnation and all that....This Starforce stuff appears to be a big deal though, and there are not just a few "crackpots" who think so.
Please can we stop the personal crusade and let's leave this thread up???
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#68654 - 03/24/05 05:54 PM
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Well my order is now inbound, and yes I will NOT have Starforce on my system, as IS my right, my computer, my system integrity, my money. Ubisoft themselves distributed nocd.exes in the past, pot kettle black? Legal issues to death, its been said over and over again in courts, the user has the right to backup their software, DVDs, and use VCRs to tape television shows for their own useage. To the chagrine of the publishers, they have never been able to get past this legal area. AND I AM GLAD I have a large gaming collection which I have bought over the years, and not one of them requires a cd or dvd. This solves the problem of making backup copies, which is what the publishers are all hot and bothered about right? Okay, no backups, the original is now the backup.
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#68655 - 03/24/05 06:09 PM
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Well i use a no cd too beacause i cant get the games to start whit the cd key that its on the dvd.
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#68656 - 03/24/05 06:38 PM
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I got tired of waiting for my local store to get SH3 so I did the next best thing. Bought it from Direct2drive. Installs without a disk required in the drive, no need for a crack :rolleyes: Even has the 1.1 patch. Not for those of you on dialup though, 1.64GB download. Took me 1h45m on a DSL conection. And yes it does install some form of Starforce although I have had no problems with it at all. 
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#68657 - 03/24/05 06:45 PM
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Chief Pheasant Controller
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Wow. That sounds like maybe the way to go. The e-license thing worked well with games like Out of the Park baseball, etc. I just saw this on the UBI forum, and it ain't pretty: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=2881085392&m=8631081492
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#68658 - 03/24/05 06:50 PM
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i just happen to be a big part of that thread...lol :p
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#68659 - 03/24/05 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Tracer[formerly of CS]:
[QUOTE]Did you read what 20mm said?
Did you read *anything* before you put finger to keyboard?
Did you bother reading the *LAST* post by MkH^?
Nope didn't think so..... I've read every post in this thread. What about it?
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#68660 - 03/24/05 08:01 PM
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OK, I'm back with an answer.
We are changing our site policy, slightly, as respects no-cd cracks. We will allow members to discuss the issue, with the following important exceptions:
A). Do not use SimHQ as the vehicle for transmitting these no-cd cracks, such as requesting someone email you the crack and giving them your email address. That has happened in this thread several times. No more of that.
B). Do not use SimHQ to post links to any other sites, or download areas where members would be able to obtain no-cd cracks. That includes other internet sites that feature these prominently.
That's it in brief. We are continuing research on this subject, and as we get more information and opinions we trust, our policy may be revised accordingly.
One other thing, and that concerns member behavior. Our standards are the same no matter what the subject matter is. I realize that Starforce and no-cd cracks are separately hot-button topics and combined, barnburners. But that does not give anyone license to start throwing insults, personal attacks, baiting, or anything else you know you should not do.
I've been light in here with letting some of it go because I thought the thread had value and obviously interest. We have now given you our policy about the crack issue and I would ask you to respect the site rules and your associates in this forum.
Thanks.
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#68661 - 03/24/05 08:13 PM
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I thought this game was only available in DVD. I thought the warez pirates only pirate CD's.
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#68662 - 03/24/05 08:17 PM
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i have no problem respecting that 20mm...but what about when you go to private message someone..and you get this kind of message like i always get..
"FYI
You are not permitted to send a private message to this member. Only forum leaders are currently permitted to receive private messages. 2
» Please use your browser's back button to return."
is there a reason why we can't PM other members?...otherwise with something like that..some of us have to leave a address in a post for people to get a hold of us
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#68663 - 03/24/05 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Robbster:
I thought this game was only available in DVD. I thought the warez pirates only pirate CD's. The amount of data on that DVD will fit on two cdroms. There was no good reason to make SHIII DVD only that I can think of, unless Ubisoft just wants everyone to start purchasing DVD drives because that is how they intend to distribute all their games in the near future. Pirates clone data from any medium.
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#68664 - 03/24/05 09:20 PM
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My opinion, you will always have pirates, its gone back as far as VCR tapes, and 5 1/4 floppys. What you wont always have is customers. The harder you make it for legitimate buyers, the better the chances they will no longer be there for you. Just something for publishers to keep in mind. Go after the sites that distribute it or technology that helps pass it around. My opinion, Ubisoft is burning the candle on both ends in order to resolve this issue. Eventualy your going to run out of whick.
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#68665 - 03/24/05 10:13 PM
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have to agree jim.... don't i know you from someplace? :p
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#68666 - 03/25/05 12:58 AM
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Tracer, if you accuse me of a crime (using a pirated copy of SH3) refrain from doing so!
if you accuse my friend of using a pirated copy and committing a crime-refrain from doing so!
of course I could post a picture of me with the copy I bought and the bill for it, as I paid with credit card, I could even show you this to prove I bought it-but people like you are not worth the effort at all!
if it does not fit into your tiny limited picture of software piracy, that there are indeed people out there who BUY games and STILL USE no-cd files for conserving their original discs, thats ok for me!
but if you feel the need to accuse everyone who does so of committing a crime, I would suggest shutting up if you cannot prove anything!
does "in dubio pro reo" say anything to you?
oh, and if you still feel the need to sound rough, I suggest to read some parts in the European Convention on Human rights, especially the section about property and the use of it!
oh, and for the record, I did a course on university about the legal status of (intellectual) property in the EU, so I consider myself to be more of an expert than you are-if you can prove otherwise DO SO!!!
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#68668 - 03/25/05 02:33 AM
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Thanks 20mm, your doing a grand job m8, and I agree 100% with these forums being kept civil and respectfull in nature. Originally posted by CoolHand20th:
is there a reason why we can't PM other members?...otherwise with something like that..some of us have to leave a address in a post for people to get a hold of us I also noticed this when I tried to PM someone Coolhand; what's the crack SimHQ overlords? (forgive the pun) Cheers
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#68669 - 03/25/05 02:35 AM
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Oh, btw - PMs don't work, AFAIK, because of bandwidth issues. Rgr
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#68670 - 03/25/05 02:49 AM
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Just a though, how about the option to have ones email address viewable in the members profile?
Direct email should have no effect on banwidth(?)
Might there be a Spam issue here that negates this option ?
Also, I know this has been mentioned a billion times, is it possible for SimHQ to update it's software to allow stickies?
It would save a hell of a lot of repetative posts and make info easly availabe and specific(not having to use search, trolling through pages of posts etc). Could help in the bandwith department as well?
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#68672 - 03/25/05 03:06 AM
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Thank you Fran and good luck with the software updates.Hope it will also include thread subscription(handy that option).
We are indeed lucky souls to have a place like this all for free; much apreciated.
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#68673 - 03/25/05 03:43 AM
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what about just adding your email to your sig? I mean, if you wanted to...that would be the simplest solution with current forum software.
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#68674 - 03/25/05 03:50 AM
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Hmmmm, PC with DVD-Rom are much less than those with CD-ROM. So piracy, in UBI opinion, would have been slowed a little. Could it be?
Thanks GOD no-cd's are already available (1.0) and on the way (1.1), I hope. I'll store my original copy in a safe place, then. No noisy DVD reader and faster load up as well.
Ah, I was forgetting ... no more silly SF drivers in my system :p
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#68675 - 03/25/05 04:49 AM
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Gatt, welcome in our pirates lair Tracer will surely find it not so amusing that you construct such a weird story for justifying a no-cd crack how dare you use such evil piece of software, the end of the world as we know it is close at hand if we SH3 users all convert to the dark side of gaming called "using no-cd cracks"
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#68676 - 03/25/05 06:15 AM
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Lifer
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I actually had the game in hand on wednesday (last copy in store too) but decided to save my cash A) because of time restrictions and B) because I dont want intrusive copy protection on my system.
Seems I can now buy it.
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#68678 - 03/25/05 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by RSColonel_131st:
I actually had the game in hand on wednesday (last copy in store too) but decided to save my cash A) because of time restrictions and B) because I dont want intrusive copy protection on my system.
Seems I can now buy it. I actually find the Starforce copy protection to be better than Safedisk. The main reason I've used no-CD patchs in the past is because of drive noise. The f*cken drive spins at full speed for 5 minutes after booting the game! This new Starforce does a check and spins down the drive right away, it's awesome and very non-intrusive.
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#68679 - 03/25/05 06:52 AM
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Registered: 01/31/05
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Originally posted by Thera:
I actually find the Starforce copy protection to be better than Safedisk. Same here. SafeDisk does not like my DVD drive it seems. I could not install FB, AEP or PF from my DVD drive. I could install it from my CD-RW drive but then the game would not run unless I used a no-cd patch (go figure). SH3 and StarForce installed without problems.
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#68680 - 03/25/05 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by JimR:
My opinion, you will always have pirates, its gone back as far as VCR tapes, and 5 1/4 floppys. What you wont always have is customers. The harder you make it for legitimate buyers, the better the chances they will no longer be there for you. Just something for publishers to keep in mind. Go after the sites that distribute it or technology that helps pass it around. My opinion, Ubisoft is burning the candle on both ends in order to resolve this issue. Eventualy your going to run out of whick.
J People just don't get it. It is ALL ABOUT customers. If the number of customers does not offset the piracy, there are two options: 1. Try to prevent the piracy 2. Stop publishing niche games (e.g. simulations) You can presume all you want that you know more about marketing and distribution than Ubisoft, but I think it is without a doubt that the inclusion of Starforce was a careful decision on their part. Rage against the publishers and their invasive copy protection all you want, but just keep in mind that they are probably giving us a choice: sims with copy protection or no more sims. There is nothing particularly bad about using no-CD cracks, just keep in mind that you are walking that fine line and through encouraging the use and distribution of this crack, you may be unintentionally helping someone with less than honorable intentions.
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#68681 - 03/25/05 08:35 AM
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It is totally unfair to peg everyone that uses a NOCD as a pirate. I use them and I buy my games and software. I will not post a picture of myself holding the box until the people acting all high and mighty about legitimate legal owners of the software using a NOCD post a picture of themselves minding their own business? Why do you try to come accross like you have the moral high ground? It is insulting.
Just because some one posts about the subject is no reason to condemn them. Seems to me that copy protection hurts the legal owners of the software and not the criminals. The people copying for profit and resale are virtually untouched by any of this. And the protections only have the effect of increasing the expense and trouble for people who buy the games and do nothing to deter the criminals who continue to enjoy the copyrighted materials for free.
What's next? DNA encoding the discs to the individual and then force a urine test to confirm a match before we can use the game disc we bought and paid for? I bought the game. I use it on my computer and it is no one elses right to stand in judgement of me NOCD or not.
The post above says by using or talking about a NOCD crack we may be helping less honest people do dishonest things. IMHO this is untrue. I own guns and I do not think I am responsible if someone else picks up a gun at my gun shop of choice and then goes and kills someone with it. Do you?
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#68682 - 03/25/05 08:40 AM
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ok..here's what i meant by saying i respect that 20mm
i have no problems abiding by SimHQ's policy's...if i had known it would cause a problem with posting a email address earlier in this thread..i wouldnot have..i would have found other ways of contacting someone about it..and not caused a problem
SimHQ has always done a nice job for providing info to us..
i can understand your policy's here on these issues as it is a tough one..
but with me its about SF..a program that ILLEGALLY installs intself onto my custom built tower....SF is nothing more then a trojan IMHO...it takes over legally bought programs...there is nothing in the EULA on it..nothing in the install about it..and unless i am notified somehow by either of those two methods..then SF is a illegal program installing without my consent..and if it takes using a no-cd crack to get rid of SF..then i will use one for the first time in my lifetime..
also my previous post was asking why we couldn't PM..and that was answered somewhat..
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#68683 - 03/25/05 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Fran Mulhern:
[QUOTE]Well, as far as I know users have always been free to add your email address to your signature, just be aware that you might get a lot of spam.
It's easy to foil the spammers. The below example will do it. example: user at home dot com
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#68684 - 03/25/05 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by akdavis: Originally posted by JimR:
My opinion, you will always have pirates, its gone back as far as VCR tapes, and 5 1/4 floppys. What you wont always have is customers. The harder you make it for legitimate buyers, the better the chances they will no longer be there for you. Just something for publishers to keep in mind. Go after the sites that distribute it or technology that helps pass it around. My opinion, Ubisoft is burning the candle on both ends in order to resolve this issue. Eventualy your going to run out of whick.
J
1. Try to prevent the piracy
2. Stop publishing niche games (e.g. simulations)
You can presume all you want that you know more about marketing and distribution than Ubisoft, but I think it is without a doubt that the inclusion of Starforce was a careful decision on their part. Rage against the publishers and their invasive copy protection all you want, but just keep in mind that they are probably giving us a choice: sims with copy protection or no more sims.
There is nothing particularly bad about using no-CD cracks, just keep in mind that you are walking that fine line and through encouraging the use and distribution of this crack, you may be unintentionally helping someone with less than honorable intentions. He he they gave up sims a long time ago, in fact a Ubisoft suit said he was no longer interested in the *geek genre* This copy protection was placed on a sim title on purpose, to test its acceptance on the market on what they thought wouldnt sell very well. They didnt place it on something like Brother in Arms which they knew would sell well. If this is the wave of the future, I will buy from someone else or wait until EA gobbles them up. EA titles are nice on my system, INSTALL\PLAY done. Ubisoft \Install\Reboot\What just quickly flashed on my screen?| Start Game\ OOps uninstall Nero which I use to backup my patches and work\ Oopps it dont work with my DVD drive\ Search forums for help\ Email Starfarce\ Game finaly works I'll Take EAs or any other publisher that doesnt use Starforce any day of the week. I dont see how I am walking any type of legal line? I bought the game, its on my hard drive, I am legaly entitled to make a backup copy which I dont since I use a nocd.exe. Very easy I am accomodating the publisher which resents making backup copies J
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#68685 - 03/25/05 01:23 PM
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Take time to read this from the people at Stardock, who made some classic games like Galactic Civilizations. He has the best attitude of any publisher developer I have seen to date. http://draginol.joeuser.com/index.asp?aid=209 The secret to beating piracy is just what they are doing. Offer bonus content only available off their site, and requires you to register with them. I have bought a ton of titles from them just because of their philosophy. I hold them in high regard, I reward them for their policies. I currently despise Ubisoft. Who do you think is better off in the long run? J
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#68686 - 03/25/05 01:36 PM
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OK, I'm back. Real life intrusions. Lots to catch up on, I'll do my best. Fran, Perfecto, I couldn't have written it better. Re the email discussion, no, we are not going to make that a part of each member's viewable profile. That would be inviting spammers, plus, we could never get 100% consensus from our members that this would be beneficial. Some people like their privacy and it needs to be respected as much as possible. Second, still on email, I stated our policy about not asking other members to email no-cd cracks and now we're talking about how to incorporate your email addy's. In the signature, in the profile, in the post. I hope that's just coincidental. Because if we see any eye-winking going on, we may have to research a policy about posting email addresses. About the no-cd issue and piracy. I do not believe that anyone here is advocating piracy by talking about no-cd cracks. If I did, this would have been shut down a long time ago. There are legimate issues here. Quite honestly, I am looking for clarifications from the industry about their position. It's a difficult subject with a lot of gray areas. But until I get it straightened out to our satisfaction, the policy about no transmittal stands. We are working on this, believe me. Next. Please guys, stop the bickering. Like I said, I know these are hot-button topics. That sometimes results in people saying things they don't mean, or other people making inferences about what was meant. Feelings get hurt, anger results, nobody wants to back down. I'm not asking you to back down. I'm asking you to stop the behavior in here. You guys want to trade email addresses in order to continue on with the feud, that's your call. In here, my call. All in all though, still an interesting discussion on subjects that affect all of us as simmers and accordingly I'll leave it open. Thanks.
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#68687 - 03/25/05 01:41 PM
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Going by some of the logic here, using a radar detector on my car would also be morally wrong.
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#68688 - 03/25/05 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Robbster:
Going by some of the logic here, using a radar detector on my car would also be morally wrong. In some states, its actualy illegal now to put a beware of dog sign J
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#68689 - 03/25/05 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by Robbster:
Going by some of the logic here, using a radar detector on my car would also be morally wrong. No, but speeding is. Why would you need a radar detector if you weren't speeding? Regarding Ubisoft's disdain for "geek genres," who published Il-2 Forgotten Battles, Pacific Fighters, Lock On: Modern Air Combat and Silent Hunter III? Who is going to publish Oleg Maddox's next project? Who is going to publish Silent Hunter IV? EA? Microsoft? Copy protection, piracy and no CD-cracks aside, I don't think y'all realize how close this genre may be to dying.
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#68690 - 03/25/05 04:28 PM
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EA's games ain't so user friendly either anymore. All their newer games won't install if the install routine detects ClonCD or Virtual drives on your PC.
That's what I've read anyway. I've never had any problems with their installs because I don't use those programs.
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#68691 - 03/25/05 04:43 PM
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Forgetting publishers...forgetting games...forgetting anti-spyware bollocks...
I have no problem with Starforce. It has never caused me a problem and, until it does, I will not complain. I have Nero installed and never, once, have I been restricted in what I write to those CDs/DVDs.
I have a DVD Rom and a DVD writer and, before the DVD Writer I had a CD Writer...I have not had a proeblem with any of them.
In fact, Starforce was installed on my system when I installed Soldiers:Heroes of WWII...and since then I have upgraded my entire PC and I STILL do not have Starforce casuing a problem....I have since bought a DVD Rom and DVD Writer and STILL no problems....
That said, I am not insinuating for a second that people have not had a problem.....AND, IF Starforce stopr you using other software, then that HAS to be illegal....and anyone who thinks Starforce IS stopping them running legitimate software has the LEGAL RIGHT to sue them....TBC
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#68692 - 03/25/05 05:37 PM
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I own(bought) every everygame/program i have on my computer and I use cracks, Why? I have 2 300 GB HD and have over 200 games(last I figured about $84,000 worth over last 8 years).
I cannot go through all my game disc to find the 1 game I'm looking to play. I don't have a crack for SHIII YET, I'm not a pirate and I think it's wrong to say everyone that uses a crack is.
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#68693 - 03/25/05 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Clownloachlover:
... I think it's wrong to say everyone that uses a crack is.
Clown Of course it is...without proof, accusation is wrong...but in todays culture, you can't help but suspect! I myself use No-CD Cracks for games that I have...but, in the past, and I'm not proud of it, I used them to keep a game I no longer had. And that, in itself, makes me suspicious of others. I now OWN ALL games I have on my computer. I have No-CD Cracks for the ones I can get them for...the same reason that alot of people use them for...not putting the CD in. I will also add...what changed my mind in the past was this. I took Microprose GP4 back to the shop after deciding it wasn't worth the money. I decided the game was not worth the cost....BUT I had downloaded a No-CD Crack for it.....and started to enjoy playing it...and then I suddenly reasoned...If I'm enjoying this game, why should I not pay the developers for giving me a good time? So, although I kept the NoCD Crack, I went to the shop and bought the game again.... In my reasoning, if it's worth playing, it's worth paying!!
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#68694 - 03/25/05 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by BillyRiley:
I have Nero installed and never, once, have I been restricted in what I write to those CDs/DVDs.
I have a DVD Rom and a DVD writer and, before the DVD Writer I had a CD Writer...I have not had a proeblem with any of them.
Have you tried to burn an .iso image file to disc? I read a post from someone that said Starforce stopped Nero from writing .iso image files to disc but everything else worked fine.
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#68695 - 03/25/05 11:29 PM
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Lets use the Stardock philosophy with Silent Hunter and Ubisoft.
Silent hunter is released. You begin the install process, you type in your key, you are prompted to go online to enter your key and email, optional of course. You put the DVD away somewhere safe, as you no longer need it to play the game.
Each month Ubisoft releases bonus content, skins, new missions, new campaigns, a new model here and there, patches. You go online, enter your key and email and your able to retrieve this content which only comes down to your email address. You click the link, its automaticaly installed for you.
Your house burns down one day and all your games went up in fire. But alas, Ubisoft will alow you to redownload the entire game as long as you type in your email and key number.
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What you have now.
Pirates dont like missing out on content, they are greedy to begin with. You will always have a 14 year old who would never buy it anyway, but chances are, when he grows up, he will want all this content. They can only play the base game. The base game can even have features that can only be downloaded via this procedure, internet capabilities, mission editor, campaign.
Would the pirate be happy with a stripped down version or get his lazy arse to the store and enjoy it with the rest of the community. I bet he gets his lazy arse up.
So you entice pirates to do the right thing, your customers love you because of the ease of using their products and ooh my all those nice bonuses for being a paid customer. That and giggling at pirates as they find their games are not compatable with the rest of the online community.
Or you can do it the current way. Consider all your customers pirates, and make it as hard as possible for them to enjoy the game.
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#68696 - 03/25/05 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by I am a Dalek: Originally posted by BillyRiley:
I have Nero installed and never, once, have I been restricted in what I write to those CDs/DVDs.
I have a DVD Rom and a DVD writer and, before the DVD Writer I had a CD Writer...I have not had a proeblem with any of them.
I'm no "expert" when it comes to Nero, copying or anything else...in fact I'm a Software Engineer and I'm put to shame with my lack of knowledge of this subject by my friend who doesn't even know how to set up an email system on his computer... If I'm wrong, then correct me...... When you are talking about burning an ISO file, is an ISO file not a copy of a CD/DVD? and if so, Starforce would prevent you from doing such a thing because, is not not doing such a thing illegal? Are you allowed to make copies of CDs/DVDs legally?
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#68697 - 03/25/05 11:51 PM
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Well you can also make ISOs of your C: drive or any other drive to back them up in case of failure. Not all ISOs are used for illegal purposes, so to have a game disable that function in my opinion is criminal.
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#68698 - 03/26/05 02:09 AM
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All Linux ditros are distributed via .iso format.
It's not just for making duplicates of commercial cdrom software. And it's not Starforce's business to
stop us from doing so anyway. Just like some EA games won't install if you have CloneCD or virtual drive software installed. It's none of their business. They are not the government or police. What they are doing is illegal in many countries. In many countries (including the US) you are legally allowed to make a backup copy of a game, program, DVD movie that you already own. It's called "fair use". And since when is it illegal to set up a game to run from a virtual drive? It isn't.
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#68699 - 03/26/05 02:40 AM
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Anonymous
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At least now you can play the game without the CD.
Game companies are punishing paying customers by requiring the CD in the drive. Even honest people go looking for the crack.
And what if your CD is scratched/lost? You loose the game as well.
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#68700 - 03/26/05 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by I am a Dalek:
All Linux ditros are distributed via .iso format.
It's not just for making duplicates of commercial cdrom software. And it's not Starforce's business to
stop us from doing so anyway. Just like some EA games won't install if you have CloneCD or virtual drive software installed. It's none of their business. They are not the government or police. What they are doing is illegal in many countries. In many countries (including the US) you are legally allowed to make a backup copy of a game, program, DVD movie that you already own. It's called "fair use". And since when is it illegal to set up a game to run from a virtual drive? It isn't. Read the EULA that's installed with your version of the game. That will tell you if it's legal to make a backup of the software or not or *even* modify it! For eg this in SH3 DIR LICENCE TO USE THE MULTIMEDIA PRODUCT
Please read this Licence carefully before installing the game ("Multimedia Product").
This Licence is an agreement between you, the "User", and Ubisoft Entertainment and/or its licensors and/or its beneficiaries ("Ubisoft"), which grants the User the non-exclusive and non-transferable right to use the Multimedia Product.
By installing the Multimedia Product, the User is undertaking to respect the terms and conditions of the Licence.
1- The Licence
Ubisoft grants the User a non-exclusive and non-transferable Licence to use the Multimedia Product, but remains the owner of all the rights relating thereto.
Any rights not specifically transferred by this Licence remain the property of Ubisoft.
The Multimedia Product is licensed and not sold to the User, for private use.
The Licence does not confer any right or title to the Multimedia Product and cannot be understood as a transfer of intellectual property rights to the Multimedia Product.
2- Ownership of the Multimedia Product
The User recognises that all of the rights associated with the Multimedia Product and its components (in particular the titles, computer codes, themes, characters, character names, plots, stories, dialogues, places, concepts, images, photographs, animation, videos, music and text contained in the Multimedia Product), as well as the rights relating to the trademark, royalties and copyrights, are the property of Ubisoft and are protected by French regulations or other Laws, Treaties and international agreements concerning intellectual property.
3- Use of the Multimedia Product
The User is authorised to use the Multimedia Product in accordance with the instructions provided in the manual or on the packaging of the Multimedia Product.
The Licence is granted solely for private use.
It is not permitted:
- To make copies of the Multimedia Product,
- To operate the Multimedia Product commercially,
- To use it contrary to morality or the laws in force,
- To modify the Multimedia Product or create any derived work,
- To transmit the Multimedia Product via a telephone network or any other electronic means, except during multi-player games on authorised networks,
- To create or distribute unauthorised levels and/or scenarios,
- To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product.
The User cannot sell, sublicense or lease the Multimedia Product to a third party.
The User can only transfer the Multimedia Product if the recipient agrees to the terms and conditions of the Licence. In this event, the User undertakes to transfer all components and documentation relating to the Multimedia Product. He also undertakes to delete any copy of the Multimedia Product from his computer. In this event, this Licence is automatically and immediately terminated.
4- Termination of the Licence
The Licence is effective from the first time the Multimedia Product is used.
It is terminated automatically by Ubisoft without notice if the User fails to adhere to the terms and conditions of the Licence.
5- Warranty
Ubisoft offers Technical Support. When you call, please be as specific as you can be about the problem you are experiencing and have the below details available:
- The name of the manufacturer of your computer system
- The brand and speed of the processor
- How much RAM you have
- The version number of windows you are using (if you aren’t sure, right-click on the my computer icon on your desktop and select ‘properties’)
- The manufacturer name and model number of your video card, modem, and sound card.
Ubisoft guarantees to the original buyer of the Multimedia Product that the compact disc (CD) supplied with this Multimedia Product shall not show any fault during a normal-use period of ninety (90) days from the invoiced date of purchase, or any other longer warranty time period provided by applicable legislation.
Please return any defective Multimedia Product by registered letter together with this manual and your registration card if you have not already sent it to us. Please state your full name and address (including postcode), as well as the date and location of purchase. You may also exchange the multimedia product at the place of purchase.
If a disc is returned without proof of purchase or after the warranty period has expired, Ubisoft will choose either to repair or to replace it at customer expense. This warranty is invalid if the disc has been damaged through negligence, accident or misuse, or if it has been modified after acquisition.
6- Warrantee Limitation
The User recognises expressly that he uses the Multimedia Product at his own risk.
The Multimedia Product is provided as is, without any warranty other than what is laid down in Article 5 of the Licence. The User is responsible for any costs of repairing and/or correcting the multimedia product.
To the extent of what is laid down by law, Ubisoft rejects any warranty relating to the market value of the Multimedia Product, the User’s satisfaction or its capacity to perform a specific use.
The User is responsible for all risks connected with lost profit, lost data, errors and lost business or other information as a result of owning or using the multimedia product.
As some legislations do not allow for the aforementioned warranty limitation, it is possible that it does not apply to the User.
7- Liability
In no event can Ubisoft be held liable for any direct, consequential, accidental, special, ancillary or other damages arising out of the use or inability to use the Multimedia Product, as well as out of the ownership or poor functioning thereof, even if Ubisoft has been advised of the possibility of such damages.
In particular, Ubisoft accepts no liability regarding use of the Multimedia Product contrary to the precautions for use set out in the manual and on the packaging.
As some legislations do not allow exemption from liability in the event of direct or incidental damages, it is possible that the aforementioned exclusion does not apply to the User.
This Licence to use the Multimedia Product grants specific rights to the User and he may have other rights depending on the laws in his State.
That quote here: It is not permitted:
To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product. refers to modifying the SH3.EXE I've just done a search for what the no-DVD crack changes. Replace the original SH3.EXE, MISSIONENGINE.DLL & SIMDATA.DLL files with the ones from the File Archive.
Clearly in breach of the software licence as anyone can see.
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#68701 - 03/26/05 04:42 PM
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Chief Pheasant Controller
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EULAs do NOT define what is and is not legal.
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#68702 - 03/26/05 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Tracer[formerly of CS]:
Read the EULA that's installed with your version of the game.
That will tell you if it's legal to make a backup of the software or not or *even* modify it! That depends on your country's legislation. Here (Sweden), we are allowed to modify our own property once we bought it. Vendors can write whatever they like in an EULA, but that won't help them since they can't change the Swedish law. An example of this is that DVD players here are modified to bypass region code limitations. This is done openly by stores who sell them. They even advertise them as "region free". Thus, you are allowed to patch or do whatever you want with your legally bought software, except copying it for other purposes than backup. Yes, you are allowed to make backups here, but of course you're not allowed to distribute them. Even if it where illegal to improve the convenience of use of a product, nobody will know you did it if you don't tell them. So as long as we're talking about legally bought products, who cares?
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#68703 - 03/26/05 05:16 PM
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Exactly.
Perhaps there should be a EULA for the money we give them. Or how about a free replacemnt for the CD/DVD? No matter how old??
What about the people who can't use the product they payed for because the copy protection won't work with their drive? So a legitimate user is penalizied. Great customer service that.
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#68704 - 03/26/05 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Tracer[formerly of CS]:
[QUOTE]]Read the EULA that's installed with your version of the game.
That will tell you if it's legal to make a backup of the software or not or *even* modify it!
EULA's mean nothing until the courts say so. In Canada they are trying right now to have the courts change it so that defeating copy protection is illegal but right now it isn't. So stuff their EULA's until I hear otherwise. You think a EULA is legally binding? You are naive.
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#68705 - 03/26/05 06:58 PM
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I'd like to commend people for keeping this civil and SimHQ for allowing this important discussion. I think we all agree, piracy is just plain wrong, we all pay for it in increased prices and insane copy protection. I still stand firm, punish the pirate, not the legitimate user. I equate this copy protection like this:
Shop lifting is also a crime, would it be appropiate for store vendors to search you before leaving their stores? You cant treat everyone as a criminal in order to catch the 10% or 15% who refuse to pay.
PC Game publishers need to come up with better technology, either USB cartidge based games or USB doggles if necessary. Whatever it is, it has to be customer friendly. I have felt for a long time now, that publishers only want enough protection to prevent people from returning their products and stick by the "if its opened tough crap" policy. I would have returned several games just because they were unfinished and remain unfinished to this day or just plain bad. We as cutomers need to put our foot down eventualy. Whats next? limit a games install to 1? Just how far will we allow publishers to go to get our PC game fix?
JR
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#68706 - 03/27/05 12:50 AM
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Software companies have to know that a certain percentage of their product will be pirated no matter what they do.
It is not fair that a paying customer should suffer.
Put it this way. PGW (philly gas works), wanted to attach a surcharge to the gas bills to cover the deadbeats/gas pirates/whatever. In other words, those who always paid their bill would also pick up the tab for those who didn't pay.
Sound fair? The public didn't think so. It died a real quick death.
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#68707 - 03/27/05 02:14 AM
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I bet a lot of store items we buy are slightly upped in price to cover for shoplifters. We just don't know about it.
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#68708 - 03/27/05 04:21 AM
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Well, I have to respond. What a magnificent game this Silent Hunter is. One of the most stunning games I have come across in years. One that will stay on my HD for years...If I could only use my burner, because it fails to work now. Thanks to Starforce. Now I'll have to decide not to use my burner for back-up, or alternatively delete the game. The Starforce drivers will have to go that is one thing for sure. I think it is criminal what they are doing, and morally wrong. It is my system and paid for it and the game. I never downloaded anything, and make back-ups for myself and kids (you realise what they can do to your precious paid-for DVD's?) The burner is one of the most expensive in the business, because I strive for quality and now THEY decide I can't use it anymore??? I'll take a nodvd fix anytime. Think before you buy people.
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#68709 - 03/27/05 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by I am a Dalek:
You think a EULA is legally binding? You are naive. Don't call me naive Dalek, your case is against the EULA and UBISoft -i'm only quoting what the software installs. If you want to call anyone naive then do so with them (UBI) and then report back to us how you got on? It would save all this endless 'hot-air' here and would finaly put *all* our minds at ease if we can use NO-DVD cracks/make backups or not, don't you think? Be pro-active instead of taking it out on anyone who doesn't agree with the issue. If UBI say 'it's cool', then we all agree. If they tell you that 'NO you can't use the NO-CD/DVD cracks or make backups of our products' then it's pretty much case closed. What could be more simpler? So go and give them a phone or better still, get them to reply *officialy* on the forum for all of us to read the verdict. UBI and the other devs etc have the right to install *whatever* they see fit to prevent piracy, it's *their* software afterall. It's pretty much an open/shut case, if you don't agree with the license or terms or copyright prevention that they impose. Then you DON'T install it, nor do you support it.
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#68710 - 03/27/05 07:41 AM
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Chief Pheasant Controller
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Again, while some provisions of an EULA can be enforceable, many in many EULAs are probably not. Further, any EULA is an attempt at a contract, which is a creation of law. Often it is sorely lacking in qualities that would make it enforceable. Further, there is the impact of other legal issues, including but not limited to possible preemption issues with "fair use," etc., and many other problems that impact on whether these are fully enforceable.
Lastly, and most obviously, a minor (which I'm certainly not) generally does not have the power to enter into a contract (again with few caveats).
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I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed. Genesis 12:3
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#68711 - 03/27/05 07:48 AM
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I played a few patrols with the NODVD running, but had some problems and really wanted to update to 1.1 so I don't use it now.
In my search I read that it's possible there are routines in the game that detect NODVD patches and bork the game up some. Now this may be an urban myth, and I can't see ubisoft coming out and denying it, but I certainly had issues.
I had patrols where I encountered nothing, nothing but Neutrals or nothing but warships. Now this was late 39 early 40 so there are more neutrals, but once I reloaded with the starforce proper I played a couple of patrols and it was less frustrating - more reliable contacts, less warships...
Playing with 1.1 now, and am very happy.
btw: I have only a DVDRW and CDRW, and I can play...
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#68712 - 03/27/05 08:39 AM
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Here's what has happened to me so far, my computer is a dedicated gaming machine. I don't have any programs that could be classified as banned by Star-Force.
I do have problems though, I get hard lockup's during the DVD Scanning by Star-Force (Copy-Protection dialogue is up). I have to cycle power to get going again and my Dell Dimension XPS goes insane when it restart's, fan's are spooling up really high, etc.
This happens about 25% of the time, my concern is that I'm killing my hardware.
To be fair with Star-Force I have emailed them and they have been working with me for a week troubleshooting, however, no solution in sight and I do get the impression they really don't have an idea what is going on here.
If the no-cd solution stop's the lockup's, then until Support has a solution, it's going to be my solution and I have no issue telling Star-Force support that either.
They may not like it and the EULA say's I'm not supposed to do it, but I bought it and I intend to use it.
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#68713 - 03/27/05 08:50 AM
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Now I'll have to decide not to use my burner for back-up, or alternatively delete the game.
The Starforce drivers will have to go that is one thing for sure.
I think it is criminal what they are doing, and morally wrong. I agree with you that this is wrong. There is a utility that you can use to remove the Starforce stuff so your burner will work again. When you want to play the game it will reinstall the crap, I mean stuff. Downside is that you'll have to reboot each time to remove it and after it's installed again. Thus wasting more of your time than would otherwise happen. At least until the next "fix" is released thus negating this. Of course there will be another patch and you'll be back at square one again... :rolleyes: Eventually, they will stop patching it (SH$ is to be released later this year or early next) so you'll finally have an end to this one. Fortunately, my burner and copy software all work without any problems. Good luck!
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#68714 - 03/27/05 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Tracer[formerly of CS]: Originally posted by I am a Dalek:
You think a EULA is legally binding? You are naive.
It would save all this endless 'hot-air' here and would finaly put *all* our minds at ease if we can use NO-DVD cracks/make backups or not, don't you think? Be pro-active instead of taking it out on anyone who doesn't agree with the issue.
If UBI say 'it's cool', then we all agree.
If they tell you that 'NO you can't use the NO-CD/DVD cracks or make backups of our products' then it's pretty much case closed.
What could be more simpler?
So go and give them a phone or better still, get them to reply *officialy* on the forum for all of us to read the verdict.
UBI and the other devs etc have the right to install *whatever* they see fit to prevent piracy, it's *their* software afterall.
It's pretty much an open/shut case, if you don't agree with the license or terms or copyright prevention that they impose. Then you DON'T install it, nor do you support it. You just don't get it, and frankly, I'm sick of your ranting and raving. I don't give a damn what Ubisoft says. I only care what the courts in my country say. Get it? BTW, I haven't bought SHIII due to Starforce. I just am interested in this topic and why Starforce has prevented me from buying a game I had full intention of buying originally. Screw Starforce and anyone who supports it.
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#68715 - 03/27/05 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by I am a Dalek:
You just don't get it, and frankly, I'm sick of your ranting and raving. I don't give a damn what Ubisoft says. I only care what the courts in my country say. Get it? BTW, I haven't bought SHIII due to Starforce. I just am interested in this topic and why Starforce has prevented me from buying a game I had full intention of buying originally. Screw Starforce and anyone who supports it. ROFLMAO! So here we have it, The truth blurted out! What the hell do you think your doing in here, recheck all your posts and then have a good look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself; 'Do i really know this person... :rolleyes: I mean how dare you instigate arguments with me! You mean you mouthed of and told ME were to go and you DON'T even own the game!! You are the biggest HYPOCRITE that i've ever met on SimHQ -you should have just kept quite, now you've made a complete plonker of yourself by mouthing off about *something* you DON'T even have the experience of having tried...or even owned....Now why doesn't that surprise me? Just wanted to make a lot of noise and start arguments eh? How bloody typical! Now go away Dalek because i'm sick to death of having a conversation with someone that is sooooo out his depth the Titanic would be considered *afloat* around you!!
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#68716 - 03/27/05 12:58 PM
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Some of you need to learn to argue a point without personal attacks. That was pretty unecessary.
JR
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#68717 - 03/27/05 01:18 PM
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Well, that's that. Sorry folks.
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