#4482494 - 07/12/19 09:09 AM
Pfalz EIII......wow!
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Having gotten my WOFF back up and running following the latest Windows 10 update debacle, I decided to try something different, but sticking with my belief in starting a career earlier rather than just jumping into Albatros's, Pups and Tripes at the end of 1916. I found a unit tucked away in the corner of Alsace which is flying Pfalz Eindeckers in October 1915. I've been assigned one and it's all over the Nieuport 10s I've encountered so far If it's accurate in it's capabilities, I'm surprised it wasn't produced in greater numbers....Fokker wouldn't have gotten a look in
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#4482523 - 07/12/19 03:09 PM
Re: Pfalz EIII......wow!
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one of my most loved aircraft. But, alas, it will eventualy be at classed. Try FA45b for the western front (I think??)
And the same can be said of the Bristol scout and the Sop Tripe....so much potential and so much politics that got on the way
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#4482565 - 07/12/19 07:24 PM
Re: Pfalz EIII......wow!
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Try FA45b for the western front (I think??) I had a good look at all of the units available in 1915....I ended up at FA(A)296b because it had Fokkers for the highest ranks and the Pfalz for the second ranks, so I ended up starting on 10th October 1915 as an Offiziersvertreter with the Pfalz. I noticed most of the two seater units have Fokkers available by October 1915 but only for Hauptmann's and Rittmeister's....and I wouldn't be so presumptuous to start so high right away. It is a great aircraft to fly though..... really good in a turn.
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So, we take off in ten minutes, we're in the air for twenty minutes, which means we should be dead by twenty five to ten.
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#4482699 - 07/13/19 07:21 PM
Re: Pfalz EIII......wow!
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As Roudou noted, both the Pfalz A.I and E.III are Pfalz built licensed copies of the Morane L Parasol. Performance is pretty much the same. They were not popular for several reasons, and arrived later than the Fokker, and hence did not see large production numbers.
Cheers, shredward
Could you elaborate on the reasons for their unpopularity? I find it hard to find much info on these planes.
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#4482775 - 07/14/19 01:51 PM
Re: Pfalz EIII......wow!
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To quote Jack Herris in 'Pfalz Aircraft of WWI' "When the war began production of approximately 60 Pfalz Parasols, exact copies of the Type L, was underway for the Bavarian air service. Initially, the Pfalz Parasols were used for reconnaissance and occasional nuisance bombing with improvised weapons..." "All Pfalz E.III fighters may have been conversions of existing Pfalz A.II reconnaissance aircraft .Few Pfalz E.IIIs were converted; its speed matched the E.II but the climb was not as good as the E.I. Furthermore, since the E.III was a larger, heavier aircraft than the E.I or E.II, it was not as manoeuverable. A maximum of eight Pfalz E.IIIs were at the front in June 1916."
By that time, the first Halberstadt D.II and D.IIIs were arriving at the Front; the Fokker E.I and E.II had been into production in large numbers beginning in May '15, the Fokker E.III beginning in August '15.
As to the Pfalz E.I, E.II, E.IV, E.V, and E.VI, again from Jack Herris: "The Pfalz E-type fighters were developed from the Morane-Saulnier Type H monoplane, for which Pfalz obtained a production license before the war. The Fokker monoplanes, which actually entered service months before the Pfalz fighters, had better performance, especially climb rate, and had much better manoeuverability and handling characteristics....Because the inferior Pfalz monoplane fighters followed the Fokker monoplanes into service, only small numbers of Pfalz monoplane fighters saw frontline service, and they were generally unpopular with their pilots. Death notices in German newspapers have black borders and the Pfalz monoplane fighters were painted with black outlines to the wings and fuselages, leading to some gallows humour in the " Fliegertruppe. "Not only were the Fokker monoplanes superior in performance, the Pfalz aircraft were not as structurally sound, because in August 1916 they were ordered withdrawn from the Front and cannibalized for spare parts due to numerous fatal crashes. About 100 Pfalz E-types were destroyed as a result, and production was likewise stopped."
Of course, by that time, the Halberstadts had been in service for several months, and the Tros was about to arrive.
Cheers, shredward
We will remember them.
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#4482779 - 07/14/19 02:50 PM
Re: Pfalz EIII......wow!
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Thanks for the info shredward Yes I'd read that the Pfalz E series was inferior to the Fokker E's. The Pfalz EIII is fun to fly and easier to bank than the Fokkers. With practice (and boy have I been practicing this weekend ) I'm managing to turn inside the Nupe 10's. It's not a steady gun platform at all and yes the climbing isn't great, but I feel more in control of a dogfight in this Pfalz EIII than I would do in a Fokker Eindecker. I have to say, flying around Alsace is fun too, you have to be very careful not to get stuck in valleys and in-between mountains so that your rate of climb won't allow you out .....if the Nupes spiral down to escape I generally let them go and wait for them to struggle out at maximum climb rate and then dive down and attack again.
So, we take off in ten minutes, we're in the air for twenty minutes, which means we should be dead by twenty five to ten.
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#4482844 - 07/15/19 01:36 AM
Re: Pfalz EIII......wow!
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”The Pfalz monoplane was about as well suited for air combat as a cow was for playing the lute. Only heaven knows who hung these crates around the neck of the Heeresverwaltung.”
-Vzfw. Kurt Jentsch, pilot of Pfalz E II 445/15
Some people are born stupid. I've had to work hard my whole life to get this way. I'm proud of the job I've done
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Exodus
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