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#4479954 - 06/25/19 07:02 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: SUBS_17]  
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Originally Posted by SUBS_17

It is possible to go faster than the speed of light, all that it requires is a decent power plant on a spaceship in order to accomplish it. The effect of travelling at the speed of light or slightly higher is that it would take just 30 minutes or less to reach Mars orbit. Contrary to Einstein's theory there is no physical barrier regarding the speed of light and speed does not compress an object into an infinite line which later travels backwards.


So I guess all those experiments on time dilation they have verified with atomic clocks are bunk?

No, we can't travel faster than the speed of light in a linear fashion for a multitude of reasons. If we could, then we already would have, since all we need is a decent power plant, right? Likewise, in all our astronomical observations, why have we yet to observe a particle that does. You'd think a supernova might be able to push matter faster, but even /they/ are limited by the upper bound of the speed of light when they explode.


Also, one minor nitpick: you can't travel backwards in time. Can't be done, not in a traditional sci-fi sense. The accelerating expansion of the Universe prevents this.


But what we /might/ be able to do is fold space and travel through it, or exit space and re-enter it... though I'd argue the former may be easier than the latter.

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#4479955 - 06/25/19 07:03 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: MarkG]  
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I agree with Bill and Ted (also Mr_Blastman), "Be excellent to each other.”


Righteous, dude. Most definitely.

#4479956 - 06/25/19 07:04 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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According to the bible, afaik, the Earth is only 8000 years old. I have a hard time believing this.



Well to be fair, the Bible doesn't give any specific age for the Earth. What happened is that several biblical scholars and priests analyzed the number of "begats" that were mentioned in the Old Testament and they deduced that the Earth was only several thousand years old. Of course, it's still massively flawed and the fossil record completely contradicts that age estimate.


And the days in Genesis aren't true days. They're metaphor.

#4479972 - 06/25/19 09:13 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by SUBS_17

It is possible to go faster than the speed of light, all that it requires is a decent power plant on a spaceship in order to accomplish it. The effect of travelling at the speed of light or slightly higher is that it would take just 30 minutes or less to reach Mars orbit. Contrary to Einstein's theory there is no physical barrier regarding the speed of light and speed does not compress an object into an infinite line which later travels backwards.


So I guess all those experiments on time dilation they have verified with atomic clocks are bunk?

No, we can't travel faster than the speed of light in a linear fashion for a multitude of reasons. If we could, then we already would have, since all we need is a decent power plant, right? Likewise, in all our astronomical observations, why have we yet to observe a particle that does. You'd think a supernova might be able to push matter faster, but even /they/ are limited by the upper bound of the speed of light when they explode.


Also, one minor nitpick: you can't travel backwards in time. Can't be done, not in a traditional sci-fi sense. The accelerating expansion of the Universe prevents this.


But what we /might/ be able to do is fold space and travel through it, or exit space and re-enter it... though I'd argue the former may be easier than the latter.


Well firstly time dilation? Time is always constant and is not effected by an object in vacuum approaching and exceeding the speed of light. There is no resistance or drag effect in a vacuum zero g environment. So even with todays technology it is possible for a spaceship built on Earth to exceed the speed of light. What is required is enough fuel and a powerful enough engine which is capable of sustaining a burn for enough time in order to reach and pass the speed of light. So such a spaceship would require a power plant that is capable of achieving that. In our system we have planets and moons which are capable of assisting a spaceship in order to help it accelerate more to achieve exceeding the speed of light. It is possible to travel back in time, evidence of Time travel:
1/ Stonehenge, crystal skull of Belize and other monuments on Earth.
2/ 11:11 on the clock has relevance to time travel
3/ Tungaska Comets intercept.
4/ John the Baptist who was in fact Elijah in the bible so existed in two places at once.
5/ Black Holes feature an anomaly in time when an object passes through it into the former stars fuel dimension.



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#4479973 - 06/25/19 09:13 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
According to the bible, afaik, the Earth is only 8000 years old. I have a hard time believing this.



Well to be fair, the Bible doesn't give any specific age for the Earth. What happened is that several biblical scholars and priests analyzed the number of "begats" that were mentioned in the Old Testament and they deduced that the Earth was only several thousand years old. Of course, it's still massively flawed and the fossil record completely contradicts that age estimate.


And the days in Genesis aren't true days. They're metaphor.


Adam and Eve were there but there was no smart fruit or talking snake.



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#4479976 - 06/25/19 10:07 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: SUBS_17]  
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Originally Posted by SUBS_17

Well firstly time dilation? Time is always constant and is not effected by an object in vacuum approaching and exceeding the speed of light. There is no resistance or drag effect in a vacuum zero g environment.


You need to brush up on your Minkowsky spacetime knowledge. Then, read up on general and special relativity. Time is not always constant, it is relative to the slope of spacetime, which likewise is relative to length contraction and there is a relationship between all of those.

Time is constant within your frame of reference, but your frame is just that, a frame, thus surrounding regions of space may have time progress slower or faster relative to their slope.

This is complicated stuff, be sure, and nigh impossible to understand unless you comprehend the underlying laws and theory within physics.

#4479984 - 06/25/19 11:06 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Haggart]  
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SUBS_17, if you think you know more about this stuff than Albert Freaking Einstein you're pretty arrogant.

Please publish papers and enlighten the world, the world could use your intellectual prowess...

Those of us here at SimHQ who actually know some physics don't even pretend to know more than Einstein - while we can comprehend some of his revelations to an extent we don't pretend we're smarter than him...

We can (indeed we have, right in this thread) offer various conjectures that go beyond his theories, but we do not, and did not, claim to have knowledge that invalidates his postulates...

One simply doesn't mess with Einstein without some SERIOUS credentials, and thousands of people way smarter than any of us, WITH the credentials, for over a HUNDRED YEARS, have tried and failed...

Don't get me wrong, I will mentally BOW to anyone who could do so...

You're not the one who's going to do that.

#4480004 - 06/26/19 01:58 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
According to the bible, afaik, the Earth is only 8000 years old. I have a hard time believing this.


Gotcha, Krazi, you are wrong. Per Archbishop Ussher the Earth was created on or around 6 pm on 22 October 4004 BC according to the proleptic Julian calendar. That's not 8000 years by my count. biggrin

What a strange thread this has become.


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#4480009 - 06/26/19 03:32 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Haggart]  
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I don't mean any disrespect, but I don't find the bible based answers helpful. Those are faith based responses you either accept based upon your religious beliefs or you don't.
I want to know what those pilots saw- what factual data do we have of these encounters, and what the possibilities are.
Their targeting systems achieved lock on an object. That seems to be fairly solid proof something was there. Do the flight characteristics of those objects match any known terrestrial technology under development or in planning?

#4480010 - 06/26/19 03:39 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Docjonel]  
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Originally Posted by Docjonel
I don't mean any disrespect, but I don't find the bible based answers helpful. Those are faith based responses you either accept based upon your religious beliefs or you don't.
I want to know what those pilots saw- what factual data do we have of these encounters, and what the possibilities are.
Their targeting systems achieved lock on an object. That seems to be fairly solid proof something was there. Do the flight characteristics of those objects match any known terrestrial technology under development or in planning?


Per an interview with one of the pilots who saw the object: no.

Anything that can accelerate from zero to two thousand miles per hour in a single second would debilitate most men. That's basically 91 gs.... Then do it repeatedly.

Technically there are theoretical techniques you can use to alleviate most of the dangers involved that I have written about in a sci-fi novel I hope to have published someday, but I think even the stresses at that extreme would be fatal. 30 sustained gs... likely no problem. 90? Doubtful.

So no. And then there's the whole propulsion system that would enable 90 degree movements and instantaneous acceleration. And a powerplant to power the engines... And all of that and the fuel and structure and more being light enough but strong enough to not tear itself apart when battling such inertia.

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#4480011 - 06/26/19 03:41 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Mad Max]  
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Originally Posted by Mad Max
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
According to the bible, afaik, the Earth is only 8000 years old. I have a hard time believing this.


Gotcha, Krazi, you are wrong. Per Archbishop Ussher the Earth was created on or around 6 pm on 22 October 4004 BC according to the proleptic Julian calendar. That's not 8000 years by my count. biggrin

What a strange thread this has become.

Memory is not what it once was. cheers


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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If they can travel across vast distances of space, there is no reason why they can't develop a power/propulsion system and the metals required.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4480014 - 06/26/19 04:51 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
If they can travel across vast distances of space, there is no reason why they can't develop a power/propulsion system and the metals required.


Putting the cart ahead of the horse much there?

There is NO SUCH THING as superluminal travel - and again I'll say if anyone wants to argue with Albert Freaking Einstein go for it! Win that, and I along with most of the world will BOW!

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Originally Posted by Zamzow
There is NO SUCH THING as superluminal travel -


"The atomic bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives." - Admiral William Leahy


Anyway.... never say never:


What is the Alcubierre "warp" drive?


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#4480040 - 06/26/19 11:01 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Mad Max]  
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Originally Posted by Mad Max

What a strange thread this has become.



At least it's an entertaining read. smile

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Originally Posted by Zamzow
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
If they can travel across vast distances of space, there is no reason why they can't develop a power/propulsion system and the metals required.


Putting the cart ahead of the horse much there?

There is NO SUCH THING as superluminal travel - and again I'll say if anyone wants to argue with Albert Freaking Einstein go for it! Win that, and I along with most of the world will BOW!


And it was once said that traveling faster than the speed of sound is impossible.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4480044 - 06/26/19 12:03 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Haggart]  
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Travelling through space faster than light is impossible. But there's no limit to how fast space itself can move, that's what F4's Alcubierre link basically uses as it's premise. I read the same thing about the initial big bang expansion, which is why the observable universe is greater than 14.3 billion years across smile


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I just consume large quantities of spice as a Spacing Guild member and therefore can simply "fold" space.

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#4480092 - 06/26/19 05:56 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by SUBS_17

It is possible to go faster than the speed of light, all that it requires is a decent power plant on a spaceship in order to accomplish it. The effect of travelling at the speed of light or slightly higher is that it would take just 30 minutes or less to reach Mars orbit. Contrary to Einstein's theory there is no physical barrier regarding the speed of light and speed does not compress an object into an infinite line which later travels backwards.


So I guess all those experiments on time dilation they have verified with atomic clocks are bunk?

No, we can't travel faster than the speed of light in a linear fashion for a multitude of reasons. If we could, then we already would have, since all we need is a decent power plant, right? Likewise, in all our astronomical observations, why have we yet to observe a particle that does. You'd think a supernova might be able to push matter faster, but even /they/ are limited by the upper bound of the speed of light when they explode.


Also, one minor nitpick: you can't travel backwards in time. Can't be done, not in a traditional sci-fi sense. The accelerating expansion of the Universe prevents this.


But what we /might/ be able to do is fold space and travel through it, or exit space and re-enter it... though I'd argue the former may be easier than the latter.


Yeah those people are wrong so here is a few things that people need to know, we'll start off simple.
A wormhole has two points that are sphere shaped, we can observe them in the Universe in the form of Black Holes, Sunspots(which is where we see the wormhole to the stars fuel dimension), Pacific ring of fire(wormhole exit points with their entry point being in the suns upper atmosphere and even in Sinai and Israel there are wormhole exit points that emit water which is from the Exodus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpMmrxdhGSc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-RN2TmhU8E



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSJyRbsvWlE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hrJ9qK2C6Y



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT8Mwurba6M

So in order to understand time one needs to understand know more about wormholes and dimensions and how time is constant in all of them unless there is movement in time as in time travel. An object also has a presence in time which can be duplicated. There is no space time either it is just time and it is constant. BTW the Universe is not expanding, there is no expansion, our Galaxy the Milky Way is stationary while we can see other Galaxies still moving. The Universe is inside a dimension it has a wall, that dimension is tiny compared to other dimensions which were naturally formed, the very first dimension goes on forever in all directions and that is where gravity element and wormhole element naturally form in a vacuum environment which is what led to God's creation.
Some theories soon to be debunked: the Big Bang theory, Theory of Evolution, String Theory, Einstein's theory of Relativity, Time Dilation. (Fly in a spaceship and you shall find that time is constant with and without the presence of Gravity.)
Things to remember:
1 A theory is not science it is a theory.
2 While a theory is on the bench it needs to be proven in order to become science.









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#4480121 - 06/26/19 09:51 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: SUBS_17]  
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Originally Posted by SUBS_17

Things to remember:
1 A theory is not science it is a theory.
2 While a theory is on the bench it needs to be proven in order to become science.


So if I take a course on DC Theory that's not science?

I'm glad you cleared that up for me!

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