#4479524 - 06/22/19 08:05 PM
Fokker ace strategy
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I've been doing some research into the early German aces, who predominantly flew the Fokker Eindeckers from mid 1915 through to mid to late 1916. All of them scored 90 to 95% of their kills before mid 1916 against enemy two seaters, very few victories against single seat fighters were registered. Despite the large and ever growing French and RFC fighter numbers in the air from the start of 1916. From mid 1916 there are more and more recorded victories against Nieuports and DH2s (but far more Fokker losses too). Clearly therefore, the early German pilots who lasted long enough to become aces, did so by avoiding fights against the French and RFC fighters if at all possible. However by mid 1916 it was virtually impossible to avoid enemy fighters and very hard to get away from them due to the performance gap between the Eindeckers and the entente fighters. I think this would also have to be the tactic to adopt flying Eindeckers in WOFF, unless you want a very short and abrupt career indeed
So, we take off in ten minutes, we're in the air for twenty minutes, which means we should be dead by twenty five to ten.
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#4479545 - 06/22/19 11:27 PM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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I've been doing some research into the early German aces, who predominantly flew the Fokker Eindeckers from mid 1915 through to mid to late 1916. All of them scored 90 to 95% of their kills before mid 1916 against enemy two seaters, very few victories against single seat fighters were registered. Despite the large and ever growing French and RFC fighter numbers in the air from the start of 1916. From mid 1916 there are more and more recorded victories against Nieuports and DH2s (but far more Fokker losses too). Clearly therefore, the early German pilots who lasted long enough to become aces, did so by avoiding fights against the French and RFC fighters if at all possible. However by mid 1916 it was virtually impossible to avoid enemy fighters and very hard to get away from them due to the performance gap between the Eindeckers and the entente fighters. I think this would also have to be the tactic to adopt flying Eindeckers in WOFF, unless you want a very short and abrupt career indeed Exactly how I'm keeping my pilot going in the Deep Immersion campaign, Simes, but it's tough to completely avoid those Nupes. You should come and join us
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#4479547 - 06/23/19 12:39 AM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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Pick YOUR fights if possible, and even then, with the Eindecker it can quickly go wrong.
Woff sends our flights mostly to the front lines, when in reality the Hun didn't have to wonder that far to find his enemy. Thanks to Trenchards "Very" offensive policy the poor RFC sods had to go miles into Hunland. This would make things some what easier for the Bosch pilots. They could almost certainly avoid scouts and pick off the poor Be2's.
If I was piloting a EIII in campaign I'd forget the assigned mission or alter it with JJJ's mission editor each time. Avoid the front if possible and should those evil N11+++ or Dh2 show up....err run. I would Completely agree! And even in an EIV, I run (well,as you know, my pilot Konrad's a complete coward).
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#4479624 - 06/23/19 05:56 PM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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Exactly how I'm keeping my pilot going in the Deep Immersion campaign, Simes, but it's tough to completely avoid those Nupes. You should come and join us It is tough as even at the end of 1915 there seems to be a lot of them. The Moranes aren't easy either. Thanks for the invite, I've had a look at the DiD stuff on here and I may well have a go soon. At the moment I'm still learning ropes (and pulleys and levers) ....as they say. I've just started a new career flying Eindeckers in December 1915 and I intend to put all this advice and learning to the test. I'll have to if I'm going to survive the 7/8 months before I'm likely to fly anything else I've decided it's too easy to jump straight into Alb's....plus....as I see it...I'm wasting having 1915 and early 1916 available to fly through....the secret is to become good enough to survive it....rather than miss it all together and join in September 1916.
So, we take off in ten minutes, we're in the air for twenty minutes, which means we should be dead by twenty five to ten.
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#4479683 - 06/24/19 02:48 AM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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Your main objective/mission is to kill the recon/observation/bomber craft. Once that's accomplished, you're wasting time, ammo and lives sticking around to mess with their air cover.
Same tactics used today. Kill the threat... expedite Fox Oscar!!
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#4479702 - 06/24/19 08:37 AM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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I've been doing some research into the early German aces, who predominantly flew the Fokker Eindeckers from mid 1915 through to mid to late 1916. All of them scored 90 to 95% of their kills before mid 1916 against enemy two seaters, very few victories against single seat fighters were registered. Despite the large and ever growing French and RFC fighter numbers in the air from the start of 1916. From mid 1916 there are more and more recorded victories against Nieuports and DH2s (but far more Fokker losses too). Clearly therefore, the early German pilots who lasted long enough to become aces, did so by avoiding fights against the French and RFC fighters if at all possible. However by mid 1916 it was virtually impossible to avoid enemy fighters and very hard to get away from them due to the performance gap between the Eindeckers and the entente fighters. I think this would also have to be the tactic to adopt flying Eindeckers in WOFF, unless you want a very short and abrupt career indeed The first point was that the war was not won by shooting down enemy scouts but by preventing ennemy recon, arty spotters and to a lesser extent bombers to do their job. Therefore it was logical that they went for 2-seaters. This was the same for french pilots too. But it was not that easy to shoot down a 2-seater: Over Verdun, in a Fokker vs french 2-seater (Caudron G4 / Farman ...) combat : the ratio was between 2:1 to 1.5/1 in favor of the Fokker. So the Fokker had an obvious advantage, but it was not one-sided. The difference is that starting in 1916, the concept of "air superiority" (ie : sweeping the sky from all enemies aircraft) was maturing so scouts fought each others at nearly every opportunity. Another point is that the french conducted bombing daylight bombing missions with a high number of slow, lowly defended Voisin bombers, giving lot of opportunities for german pilots to become aces. They stopped in middle 1916 => less targets !
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#4479786 - 06/24/19 09:10 PM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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Really good point re Voisins, Jeanba. It was great when OBD added Caudrons to the SIM, but Eindeckers still need more fodder to graze on to make a career more realistic The French were not very impressed by the Fokker performances (though they were interested by its synchronized armament) and german losses on french fronts were basically equivalent to french losses, Even the Voisin losses / sortie was not very high (there was simply more sorties) and most of them were shot down by 2-seaters anyway
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#4479856 - 06/25/19 06:19 AM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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The French were not very impressed by the Fokker performances (though they were interested by its synchronized armament) and german losses on french fronts were basically equivalent to french losses, Even the Voisin losses / sortie was not very high (there was simply more sorties) and most of them were shot down by 2-seaters anyway
Absolutely, the majority of Fokker victories were scored by a handful of clearly very skilled pilots, but even these were dwindled down by attrition.....von Crailsheim, Eduard Böhme.....Immelmann. By early/mid 1916 it can't have been much fun getting entangled with aircraft 10/15mph faster than you...and with a much better rate of climb...no matter how skilled you were. It's certainly a challenge flying Eindeckers, as I'm finding out I agree with HarryH too, we could do with a few more two seaters on all sides to fill the sky up a bit.
So, we take off in ten minutes, we're in the air for twenty minutes, which means we should be dead by twenty five to ten.
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#4479862 - 06/25/19 07:35 AM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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I agree with HarryH too, we could do with a few more two seaters on all sides to fill the sky up a bit.
I love flying 2-seaters. I have more fun with the aviatik CI than with the Fokker EIII. I only wish there were a larger variety of missions (there were for OFF, but some mods are not compatible with WOFF:UE).
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#4479865 - 06/25/19 09:14 AM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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I agree with HarryH too, we could do with a few more two seaters on all sides to fill the sky up a bit.
I love flying 2-seaters. I have more fun with the aviatik CI than with the Fokker EIII. I only wish there were a larger variety of missions (there were for OFF, but some mods are not compatible with WOFF:UE). +1 Can you send me any OFF mod incomaptible with WOFF:UE? I will try to look into it and make it compatible.
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#4479905 - 06/25/19 01:44 PM
Re: Fokker ace strategy
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I tried a combination of both for early war, when 2-seaters mainly flew recon + Arty spotting, and few bombing and this was ok, excpet I had troubles when a bombing mission was generated
Indeed, the problem is that there should be a distinction between Recon, Arty spotting and bomber units as in reality, I don't know if it exists in the game. For instance, most french 2-seater units with 1?? numbers (ex : Br111) were bomber units. Two digits were usually recon unit (C46), and 2?? "highly specialized units" or units sent to other fronts.
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CD WOFF
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