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#4479839 - 06/25/19 02:31 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Zamzow]  
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Originally Posted by Zamzow

There is no such thing as logical discourse within ANY religion when it comes to describing the physical reality of the universe.


This I disagree with. I've met several intelligent pastors and rabbi who both understand AND respect science.


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I am a "Jesus Freak".


And the nonsense being spewed by one on particular has nothing to do with Jesus, just their own deluded ramblings that they've decided has something to do with the Bible. I've heard literally hundreds of hours of biblical teachings from dozens of biblical scholars and I can assure you that what is being portrayed here as "biblical" is nothing of the sort. Don't color all Christians with a broad brush because of one nut claiming to be one.


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#4479844 - 06/25/19 02:49 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Haggart]  
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We get that, F4UDash4, no worries.


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#4479845 - 06/25/19 02:59 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Haggart]  
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F4UDash4, I assume none of that was aimed at me as I've not commented on Jesus, only on the Nephilim of Genesis (and Numbers). Nor do I claim to be Christian or have any religious faith or beliefs.

EDIT: I know there are different theories on the Nephilim and how they came to be (some believe [Scriptural interpretation] that there was no angelic involvement at all, or that they used possession vs. having creative powers). I just enjoy one of the more extreme viewpoints (which does have some popularity). Regardless, the subject (and giants) is fascinating to me.

And the Bible does say the babes were hot. smile

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#4479852 - 06/25/19 05:26 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Haggart]  
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I blame France for the UFO's.

Hell, even the Coneheads claimed to be from there.


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#4479854 - 06/25/19 06:01 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
I blame France for the UFO's.

Hell, even the Coneheads claimed to be from there.


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#4479857 - 06/25/19 06:41 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Haggart]  
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What is this? Why is the Bible even in this discussion?

There are truths in that Book, but all I see here is hijacking of truth for the purpose of an agenda...

#4479863 - 06/25/19 08:04 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Zamzow]  
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Originally Posted by Zamzow
What is this? Why is the Bible even in this discussion?

There are truths in that Book, but all I see here is hijacking of truth for the purpose of an agenda...


The bible indeed should not be in this discussion. There are truths in the bible, but not facts. It's often ridiculed for not being very scientifically accurate - well it's a book written 1500 years before the scientific principle existed. Fundamentalists like to try to prove written (and often poorly translated) passages, entirely missing the point.

But anyway. I read somewhere about the possibility of archetypes being the culprit here. It seems unlikely tech advanced beings are apparently flying about with impunity right at the time when we're launching rockets into space, while the witness of miracles and apparitions has dropped off, all in synchronisation with our own tech levels. The idea is that there are archetypes that a culture will apply to anything that can't be understood, so strange happenings in the past have been spirits, gods, divine appearances, miracles, and now aliens. It might be possible that there is something odd happening here & there, but that the interpretation by our psyches is driving the observation.

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Oh look, another “do aliens exist” thread devolved into another religious debate. Surprise, surprise.


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#4479885 - 06/25/19 11:19 AM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
F4UDash4, I assume none of that was aimed at me.....




Nope smile


“Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens from crimes against themselves or their property. When government-- in pursuit of good intentions tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost comes in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.” - Milton Friedman
#4479895 - 06/25/19 12:06 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by MarkG
F4UDash4, I assume none of that was aimed at me.....


Nope smile


Ok, thanks. Guess I got carried away on Hollywood (City of Angels...can't blame Nic Cage for falling from grace, Meg Ryan was looking awfully cute. So was the chick in Hancock [a different take on the subject]).

Anyway, gonna lurk now...carry on.

#4479916 - 06/25/19 04:09 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Haggart]  
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"Oh look, another “do aliens exist” thread devolved into another religious debate. Surprise, surprise."

Yes. It comes from the unfortunate thinking of many, which says, "I don't understand this, therefore it was God!" This thinking ignores all of the ways that science has whittled away the old religious beliefs of the past. You could be excommunicated and even sentenced to death at one time for teaching that the Earth revolved around the sun. Everybody knew that the entire universe revolved around the earth! Well, they don't now. This, "It must be God," reasoning has no place in the 21st century. My humble opnion, anyway.
This is all something that we simply don't know the answers to, right now. One day, we will. And the answer isn't going to be any angels or gods.


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#4479924 - 06/25/19 05:19 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Pooch]  
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Originally Posted by Pooch
And the answer isn't going to be any angels or gods.


You sound very certain.

Pray tell, where is your irrefutable evidence to back up these claims?


Your prior statement of crimes charged by the Church is historic fact. This happened. But aliens? Who knows. Are they angels? I doubt this, and I quote Arthur C. Clarke's third law:

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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.


Which holds quite a bit of truth. What Christ did in the Bible seems impossible. Beyond belief. Incapable of comprehension. UFOs, on the other hand, while flying craft, are still mechanical flying craft. We can do a lot with machines. But can a simple man walk on water, or create food from nothing, or heal the sick or even... rise from the dead?

So myself, I think they're separate. As a counter-point to those saying UFOs are angels--or others who think they can't exist because they are never mentioned in the texts--the Bible is the book of Earth and nothing more. It was written in language understandable and interpretable to humans living at the time. Impossibilities were exaggerated or allegory and metaphor was used, because if you put a VR helmet on a peasant from 1000 BC, they'd likely think you are a god, too. I think if UFOs and aliens exist, then... they're UFOs and aliens.

As Christ demonstrated, he needed no machines to accomplish what he did--no vehicles, no devices, nothing but himself--hence Clarke's third law. So the notion an angel would need a machine, too, simply doesn't jive with what is written.

That's my opinion.


If any mortal did encounter God, or an angel, they'd think they were magical, too. But a creator of the Universe has an advantage the rest of us don't: They created a Universe they don't reside in. Just like a child playing in a sandbox. The child visits the sandbox, maybe even builds the box, pours the sand in, then shapes the castles, tunnels, villages and more. When they leave for the night, though, things change due to external forces the child does not control. The box reacts to the environment it is in, until the child manipulates the sand again. But they don't live there, they visit.


None of us can prove the existence of God, because a perfect sandbox would be built in a way that the sand could never leave the box, but would be confined. Besides, leaving the box would invalidate the experiment. So build a perfect box, keep the subjects inside and watch what happens. Likewise, none of has been able to prove where life originated, either. We can't. We've tried. But we've never come close cells spontaneously forming from nothing, then fabricating their own instruction set and self-replicating those instructions.

So we can't prove one side of the argument, and we can't prove the other.

Does that mean we should hate one another, because we disagree with opposing views? Nah. My take is we should share these views without falling into the traps of absolutes. Or hate. Entertain various views but enjoy how much better this world is for having variety, rather than everything being the same.

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#4479928 - 06/25/19 05:50 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by Pooch
And the answer isn't going to be any angels or gods.


You sound very certain.

Pray tell, where is your irrefutable evidence to back up these claims?


Your prior statement of crimes charged by the Church is historic fact. This happened. But aliens? Who knows. Are they angels? I doubt this, and I quote Arthur C. Clarke's third law:

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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.


Which holds quite a bit of truth. What Christ did in the Bible seems impossible. Beyond belief. Incapable of comprehension. UFOs, on the other hand, while flying craft, are still mechanical flying craft. We can do a lot with machines. But can a simple man walk on water, or create food from nothing, or heal the sick or even... rise from the dead?

So myself, I think they're separate. As a counter-point to those saying UFOs are angels--or others who think they can't exist because they are never mentioned in the texts--the Bible is the book of Earth and nothing more. It was written in language understandable and interpretable to humans living at the time. Impossibilities were exaggerated or allegory and metaphor was used, because if you put a VR helmet on a peasant from 1000 BC, they'd likely think you are a good, too. I think if UFOs and aliens exist, then... they're UFOs and aliens.

As Christ demonstrated, he needed no machines to accomplish what he did--no vehicles, no devices, nothing but himself--hence Clarke's third law. So the notion an angel would need a machine, too, simply doesn't jive with what is written.

That's my opinion.


If any mortal did encounter God, or an angel, they'd think they were magical, too. But a creator of the Universe has an advantage the rest of us don't: They created a Universe they don't reside in. Just like a child playing in a sandbox. The child visits the sandbox, maybe even builds the box, pours the sand in, then shapes the castles, tunnels, villages and more. When they leave for the night, though, things change due to external forces the child does not control. The box reacts to the environment it is in, until the child manipulates the sand again. But they don't live there, they visit.


None of us can prove the existence of God, because a perfect sandbox would be built in a way that the sand could never leave the box, but would be confined. Besides, leaving the box would invalidate the experiment. So build a perfect box, keep the subjects inside and watch what happens. Likewise, none of has been able to prove where life originated, either. We can't. We've tried. But we've never come close cells spontaneously forming from nothing, then fabricating their own instruction set and self-replicating those instructions.

So we can't prove one side of the argument, and we can't prove the other.

Does that mean we should hate one another, because we disagree with opposing views? Nah. My take is we should share these views without falling into the traps of absolutes. Or hate. Entertain various views but enjoy how much better this world is for having variety, rather than everything being the same.


All of the miracles that Jesus performed involved science and machinery. For example walking on water involves a dimension, a wormhole and a holographic overlay to show Jesus walking on water. Feeding thousands of starving people with 5 loaves and 3 fish- teleportation of fish and bread. Healing people- refilling the soul with a new body. Bringing Lazarus back to life- Teleportation of Lazarus with a new body from Heaven to Earth.
Other miracles can be explained this way for example the parting of the red sea- wormhole into another dimension whose exit point is on the beach on the Sinai peninsula. While a holographic overlay portrays the parting of the sea. This stuff is never magic it is always science involved and is done as points from Heaven for a purpose.



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#4479931 - 06/25/19 05:54 PM Re: More UFO's Being Reported by Military Pilots [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by Zamzow

People who use Euclidean intuitions to frame their comprehension of physical reality often interpret the physicist’s statement that “nothing can move through space faster than the speed of light” [i] to mean that humans have not yet found a way to boost something beyond this speed. They tend to respond with the suggestion that advanced technology will eventually enable mankind to overcome this restriction, but they have missed the point entirely.


I think you are looking for an argument where there is none.

I too, agree that there is no way to exceed the speed of light through conventional travel of any sorts, whatsoever. This isn't up for debate, because we can't, and the science is sound.

What we don't understand is the answer to 1) above. Nobody knows this. It is one of the most profound mysteries in all of physics.


It is possible to go faster than the speed of light, all that it requires is a decent power plant on a spaceship in order to accomplish it. The effect of travelling at the speed of light or slightly higher is that it would take just 30 minutes or less to reach Mars orbit. Contrary to Einstein's theory there is no physical barrier regarding the speed of light and speed does not compress an object into an infinite line which later travels backwards.



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There is no such thing as Nephilim...


The Bible says otherwise. That is, if you believe in the Bible...or at least that part of it.

In any case, there's a lesson for us in the story of the Nephilim (rather, regarding their angelic-turned-human fathers)...

And that is that those angles *really* wanted to get jiggy with the ladies (which is why they fell, to participate in human sex). Yet they cultivated that desire with zero free-testosterone running through their non-existent veins. The lesson is that wanting to knock boots starts in the mind and the body follows (apparently even before you have a body biggrin ). So don't worry if you have less than stellar middle-age T (but do eat right and try to build muscle to keep it naturally higher, better for your overall health).

But good Lord those babes must have been hot for them to go through that much trouble!

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What a weird ass thread, just trying to do my part to contribute. wink


Angels are created the same as the first Humankind. So they are no different than people, an Arkangel is a taller person which is an upgraded Chasis designed to defend Heaven. The Bible says that there are Nephilim- that was put there by a person and the whole story of abducting people never happened.
How the first Angel was created is God was created inside a chamber made of wormhole element and reverse-engineered the process from which he was created and that is how God created the first Angel whose first words were "Batch!" So he is called Batch, Batch died and his soul died but was later recovered.
God created his first planet and made chambers to create Angels, the planet did not rotate and did not have a moon or star. The next Angel created first words were "Gabriel!" and so God named him Gabriel. Later God created more Angels the same way then one day God placed his finger by accident in the wrong place inside the chamber which had a reverse process which resulted in the first female whose first words were "Angela!" Angela later died after being killed by God, later God(Angela was also later recovered) created another female whose first words were "Mary!" God later formed a relationship with Mary then one day they discovered intercourse by accident which led to Mary eventually getting pregnant and giving birth to a son whose first words were "Jesus!" So God, Mary and Jesus later came to Earth as Joseph, Mary and Jesus of Nazareth.
The word Human comes from an Angel who is a woman whose first words upon being created were "Human!" Human was among a batch of Angels sent to a planet called "Planet 1" which we on this day call Earth. When we see the monuments on Earth what we are seeing is locations where something happened in a previous History and that is why those monuments are there. So time travel was discovered in the first History and that is why we have more than one History. To achieve time travel a society must have extremely high technology including Space Ships and Artificial Intelligence which is what Heaven has on this day. It would seem far fetched to everybody unless they saw physical evidence to reinforce the idea of not only Creation but also Time Travel. What would be the reason for Time travel...it is because HumanKind in the first History all died.
I read all of this from somewhere else and also saw videos about it, the science is difficult for people to grasp particularly wormholes and dimensions so hopefully there will be some more videos which explain this better suffice to say that the evidence of creation and the science behind it is 100%. There is no other way or reason to create a planet, star or moon or life.



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Dude, I was trying to be humorous...lesson learned. rolleyes

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According to the bible, afaik, the Earth is only 8000 years old. I have a hard time believing this.


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The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
According to the bible, afaik, the Earth is only 8000 years old. I have a hard time believing this.



Well to be fair, the Bible doesn't give any specific age for the Earth. What happened is that several biblical scholars and priests analyzed the number of "begats" that were mentioned in the Old Testament and they deduced that the Earth was only several thousand years old. Of course, it's still massively flawed and the fossil record completely contradicts that age estimate.


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