#4477554 - 06/11/19 06:41 AM
Re: US vs Russian fighter jets (latest gen)
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I get a nice warm feeling whenever a non-US government touts how they beat US equipment in an exercise; they're doing it wrong, which I wholeheartedly encourage them to do.
US ran exercises against an opposing force (OPFOR) is always designed in such a way that we get our butts kicked by our enemies...or at best simply hold our own. It's all about exposing our weaknesses, not about showing our strengths.
From Top Gun school with fighters to the National Training Center with tanks and grunts, we're always shown the door with our hats in our hands and and a smirky "sorry 'bout the whipping, but you deserved it" after action review.
We'll go so far as to hobble the BLUFOR to ensure defeat, "killing" leaders, removing technology "you've been jammed," to artificially holding up units so they aren't timely to the battlefield.
This is why whenever some exercise we've ran has it's results leaked and it's all gloom and doom on how the USA has lost it's edge I laugh and snort. That's how we run those things.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4477662 - 06/11/19 09:13 PM
Re: US vs Russian fighter jets (latest gen)
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Exactly, Arthonon, on both posts.
When I hear about these things my thoughts go back to the late 1970's. We were just about to make the B-1 operational when the Soviet Union announced that it had an interceptor that could make it completely useless. Jimmy Carter cancelled the bomber outright. A few years later it was learned that it was a big hoax meant to prompt exactly that reaction.
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#4477710 - 06/12/19 07:26 AM
Re: US vs Russian fighter jets (latest gen)
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I also recall a day when the US was worried that the MiG-29 was a serious, perhaps impressive threat -- that clearly was a joke -- both in terms of its success record, and the analysis results when they actually flew some German ones... To be sure, "past success, doesn't guarantee future results", but history seems to bear out that taking Russian government commentaries with a significant dose of salt is usually much more accurate than believing their press releases... (Just one guy's opinion) Regards, 4 ~S!~
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#4477719 - 06/12/19 10:05 AM
Re: US vs Russian fighter jets (latest gen)
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I also recall a day when the US was worried that the MiG-29 was a serious, perhaps impressive threat -- that clearly was a joke -- both in terms of its success record, and the analysis results when they actually flew some German ones... To be sure, "past success, doesn't guarantee future results", but history seems to bear out that taking Russian government commentaries with a significant dose of salt is usually much more accurate than believing their press releases... (Just one guy's opinion) Regards, 4 ~S!~ +1
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#4477723 - 06/12/19 10:34 AM
Re: US vs Russian fighter jets (latest gen)
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That as well as a lot more money to throw around means Russia will likely be falling behind as time goes on. China GDP in 2017: 12.25 trillion Russia GDP in 2017: 1.58 trillion It's no competition AT ALL.
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#4477725 - 06/12/19 11:58 AM
Re: US vs Russian fighter jets (latest gen)
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The state of Texas alone has a higher GDP than Russia.
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#4477746 - 06/12/19 03:58 PM
Re: US vs Russian fighter jets (latest gen)
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Plus the Russians could still glass the planet several times over. Not a trifle adversary. And they are typically unorthodox thinkers, so their tactics may be unpredictable, and they tend to be very crafty.
I'm more worried about China. Short game, we could beat them, but long game, not a chance. We're toast.
"He who controls the resources and production wins the war."
Save for a Hail Hary. But these days, a Hail Mary means nukes. There goes the planet.
Last edited by Mr_Blastman; 06/12/19 04:01 PM.
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