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#4473979 - 05/13/19 10:08 PM Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed  
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#4473982 - 05/13/19 10:20 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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oh well ... someone finally treated a dcs employee, just like they treat people on the forum.
it looks like f16 will not come out in 2025, but so near 2030.

#4474003 - 05/14/19 03:31 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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#4474025 - 05/14/19 11:43 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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https://kotaku.com/russian-man-jailed-for-buying-f-16-manuals-claims-they-1834736398

What an idiot, but i’m genuinely not surprised. Considering the legal mess Eagle Dynamics is it doesn’t surprise me that something as dumb as this happens to them.

No doubt ED will use this as a positive marketing spin “see how realistic our models are!” or some other nonsense like that.

I wish this news would surprise me, but doing stupid things for no reason whatsoever has become kinda a requirement on their job application form, so there’s that.

The real kicker comes that under swiss law, if they decide to press charges against Tishchenko, the entire board can be extradited and pressed charges against. In any case, the judicial administration costs will be ED’s, even if Tishchenko is cleared.

So yeah, in ED’s case, I really hope that the investigation will be kept narrow.

#4474043 - 05/14/19 01:46 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
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There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4474048 - 05/14/19 02:08 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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#4474052 - 05/14/19 02:37 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Why try to smuggle anything? Just have the manuals put into PDF format and upload. Seems like it would be a lot cheaper than paying for a round trip flight/hotel/rental car +taking any chance on being arrested. OR just download the BMS manual ... LOL.

#4474055 - 05/14/19 02:46 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Or just go here:
https://mega.nz/#F!WR9hwQoK!NXGsaNB-30aOO8Ki_KS0tA!GR1gjQpT


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#4474056 - 05/14/19 03:01 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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I guess there might have been more than user manuals. Maybe some maintenance, maybe some classified datas.

Still, that's a very strange story.

I'm all for detailed and realistic procedures, but sometimes I think life would be easier if we'd play some "slightly fantasy" planes, like the "G16 Balcon", the "PU-27" and the likes, if you get what I mean.

As long as it's a fun game with detailed systems, even if not as hardcore 90% fidelity as BMS or A10/F18 DCS, it could sell nicely with much less hassle.

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#4474075 - 05/14/19 05:18 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: rollnloop.]  
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We don't know anything except that whatever it is that he took was protected by ITAR. It could well be the same stuff that's floating around the internet.

Originally Posted by rollnloop.
I guess there might have been more than user manuals. Maybe some maintenance, maybe some classified datas.

Still, that's a very strange story.


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#4474076 - 05/14/19 05:19 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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#4474079 - 05/14/19 05:48 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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^^I expected it exactly. he does everything alone without their knowledge blah blah Standard bs. do not even they believe it

#4474101 - 05/14/19 07:05 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Not good. Dude was trying to sell this info.

https://www.scribd.com/document/409901537/18313672245

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Why, because you said so? Wags in particular held some sort of clearance given his past work, so he knows how this stuff works. The MIBs can easily pay him a visit and he'd certainly not want such a thing, nor would ED wish to be barred from contracts with certain entities based upon Oleg's adventures - and they may well be asked to prove this.
So you can bet that if they say they weren't involved, you'll have an extremely hard time proving that they were.

Originally Posted by brian_b
^^I expected it exactly. he does everything alone without their knowledge blah blah Standard bs. do not even they believe it


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#4474104 - 05/14/19 07:28 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Im hopeful that DCS is in the clear, but it cant be good since Oleg was advertising this search for material not "publicly" released on their forums while being an active employee!

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"The Company develops all of its DCS aircraft game modules exclusively on the basis of publicly available information and has never used nor tried to obtain any classified information."
One lie is enough GrayGhost?

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#4474110 - 05/14/19 07:53 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Originally Posted by rollnloop.
I'm all for detailed and realistic procedures, but sometimes I think life would be easier if we'd play some "slightly fantasy" planes, like the "G16 Balcon", the "PU-27" and the likes, if you get what I mean.

Their current modules are already that spec.

In any case, Timoshchenko will want to prove the ‘I did it for ED’-argument in court, so we’ll see the evidence, and whether ED knew about it, eventually.

However, the fact that he travels to the US for the documents, instead of just let the employee who is based in the US, and is the producer of the videogame, take care of the bidding and collecting of the documents, is quite strange, although not outside the realm of ED-logic.

@Wedge: the dropbox link is 404

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#4474113 - 05/14/19 08:27 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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@Vaderini..thx for the heads up..it was the same info as the scribd doc and must have been taken down.

#4474117 - 05/14/19 08:45 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Wedge, the link is good. Could be because Vaderini is in Europe.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#%&*$#, that scribd doc really spells it out.

#4474159 - 05/15/19 04:10 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Originally Posted by GrayGhost
Wags in particular held some sort of clearance given his past work, so he knows how this stuff works. The MIBs can easily pay him a visit and he'd certainly not want such a thing, nor would ED wish to be barred from contracts with certain entities based upon Oleg's adventures - and they may well be asked to prove this.
So you can bet that if they say they weren't involved, you'll have an extremely hard time proving that they were.



Have you ever noticed that you don't have to be proven guilty of a crime to have serious consequences result in terms of business matters. The very fact that he was an ED employee at the time of the alleged activity combined with the fact that the information being sought was directly in line with the work he was doing for ED (avionics simulations) does not bode well for anyone involved or connected with those involved. Just because Wags knew what the rules and consequences were does not reflect well on him or other ED employees. Again, guilt by association may not be valid in a court of law but it can carry a lot of weight in the business world, especially where military, or related, contracts are involved.

In short, this can possibly result in damage to ED's credibility in the industry, especially where it concern their non-commercial contracts. This is especially true since the alleged offenses all occurred during Oleg's (Olgerd is his forum name) employment with ED and his involvement in active projects.


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#4474163 - 05/15/19 06:38 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Wonder if all of Olgerd's posts have been deleted or sanitised on the ED forums...


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#4474165 - 05/15/19 08:28 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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ah...just get's better and better.

Mind you, this happened during development of Arma3 in Greece. Difference is, BIS publicly supported their developers who were deemed to be spies.
Imagine if Nine Line was an official ambassador. oh wait up, he is an ambassador.for ED...no support for the former 'endorsed developer'

shame shame shame.

#4474218 - 05/15/19 05:39 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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I think this is probably being blown out of proportion - were / are the manuals in question declassified material? If so, and it seems likely that they were not classified, this seems like much ado about nothing as the documents could just as easily be digitized and read by anyone with an internet connection.

The crux of the issue seems to be that physical copies were exported.

There are lots of stupid laws that exist like this. The US has bans on exporting things like handcuffs and encryption technology as well.

#4474229 - 05/15/19 08:17 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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I don't believe it's being blown out of proportion. The manuals are always classified, at least FOUO if nothing else. The issue seems to be this:

You can purchase these manuals from 'authorized dealers' if you yourself can somehow prove to have the need for them. It appears that this is what Oleg was going for, but that is just speculation.

In any case, the court documents clearly state what is being violated.


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#4474230 - 05/15/19 08:20 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Winfield]  
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Not quite the same. In Greece you're not allowed to be taking pictures anywhere near military installations overall. In may or may not be silly, depending on exactly what it is you're doing. I doubt BIS' business depended on this and further, BIS sent those guys to do that job, AFAIK. Oleg probably knew what his was doing, and likely despite being told that ED could not and would not use documents obtained in a manner contrary to what their legal department had set out. Just an assumption on my part.

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ah...just get's better and better.

Mind you, this happened during development of Arma3 in Greece. Difference is, BIS publicly supported their developers who were deemed to be spies.
Imagine if Nine Line was an official ambassador. oh wait up, he is an ambassador.for ED...no support for the former 'endorsed developer'

shame shame shame.


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The speculation that he was after newer manuals doesn't look too good. Mud sticks.

If ED survives this I wouldn't be betting on seeing more modern US aircraft in DCS!

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The following is from a PM between myself and another member here
Regarding Dave Kinney's agenda with the F-35.....

We weren't far off with our judgement....just had the wrong developer

Most noteworthy is where I mention the flight manuals being hidden in the code
Seems plausible considering the circumstances. He was after F35 and F22 manuals.....

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It could be said that David Kinney had high level security access to the F-35 as a consultant. After all he did create advanced training simulators for the military and more specifically the F-35.
If you have that level of clearance, what do you think would pay more

1. the average wage maybe 100-150K per year developing simulations

2. using the resources you have in terms of technical software that develops avionics for the B2 and F-22 and selling it off to the chinese\Russians. Perhaps Kinney should be charged with treason if it is proven he did indeed sell out after his failed kickstarter..

His asking price was $75,000 to develop the F-35 into DCS, that would be about half his yearly wage in the real world. If he succeeded and got his $75K, would he have been able to create and publish the F-35 to make it viable as a 1 man band?

No doubt when the kickstarter failed, Kinney probably sold off the resources....he probably created a simulator that shows how the advanced avionics work on the B2 and F-22 and sold that off as well.

About Kinney

partial resume of Kinney

this point is quite interesting

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Which makes me wonder why the Mercer family, also the owners of Breitbart & Cambridge Analytica, allowed their company MadCatz to shill Combat Pilot. Why a group of friends of Kinney's son, heavily involved in Rick Warren's church (close friends to Rick's son who shot himself in the middle of all this) made up the majority of MadCatz employees and contractors for Combat Pilot. Why the SEC delisted MadCatz? Why the same management team that made the Kinney deal all ended up being fired for cause days before the company shut down?


What if Kinney produced the f-35 yet buried in the code was actual flight resources and data from the real aircraft? it would be easy to ship it off to the russians considering ED\TFC is a joint venture between the US and Russia.
on the surface it would look like any other module.

this is hypothetical, but why won't VEAO release the data for ED to finish the hawk? perhaps kinney struck a deal with VEAO and stashed the data in the hawk coding. Anything is possible but when you have a joint venture with USA and Russia with military contracts playing out from the joint venture.
anything is possible.




#4474301 - 05/16/19 02:36 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Oleg most likely took the fall for his boss.

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I doubt that, for the reasons stated. Those manuals are useless to them - they literally have to prove they haven't used material from those manuals for certain things. If you believe the A-10C doesn't have made up systems, for example ... the RWR and CMDS.


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#4474515 - 05/17/19 07:32 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Winfield]  
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Lemme tell you a joke. two guys are sitting at a business district watering hole on a Friday night just before 5pm. One guy gets upset when his friend smirks and says.. "I'm off to find a girl to sleep with.. "
Guy 1: "So, you do this EVERY Friday night.. you leave here at 5pm and vanish, and don't come back until next week. I know you're getting lucky.. but HOW?"
Guy 2: "You see the big office building across the street? Each Friday at 5pm I go stand at the front door and say to every woman coming out... "hey, Babie??? Wanna Screw?"
Guy 1: "You're a pig! Women would HATE that."
Guy 2: "You are correct! 99 out of a hundred women slap me in the face and storm away... but oh, that 100th!"

Even a totally fake F-35 project, promoted often enough and repeated in enough social media outlets, which kept asking "backers" to provide F-35 documentation (I remember a sock-puppet account who claimed to be a F-35 crew chief from Yuma in particular) stirs up enough interest to get thousands interested back in 2013.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/t...oubts/?do=findComment&comment=306478

To refresh your memory about the F-35 Kinney project supported by Eagle Dynamics during this Kickstarter, go back to 2013:
F-35 Kickstarter in 2013 http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/topic/38960-kickstarting-your-doubts/

You don't have to build the software if your goal is just to get information from your fans. Kinney and his crew may have been simply "useful idiots" recruited by Russian interests.

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Originally Posted by SinCityJet
Lemme tell you a joke. two guys are sitting at a business district watering hole on a Friday night just before 5pm. One guy gets upset when his friend smirks and says.. "I'm off to find a girl to sleep with.. "
Guy 1: "So, you do this EVERY Friday night.. you leave here at 5pm and vanish, and don't come back until next week. I know you're getting lucky.. but HOW?"
Guy 2: "You see the big office building across the street? Each Friday at 5pm I go stand at the front door and say to every woman coming out... "hey, Babie??? Wanna Screw?"
Guy 1: "You're a pig! Women would HATE that."
Guy 2: "You are correct! 99 out of a hundred women slap me in the face and storm away... but oh, that 100th!"

Even a totally fake F-35 project, promoted often enough and repeated in enough social media outlets, which kept asking "backers" to provide F-35 documentation (I remember a sock-puppet account who claimed to be a F-35 crew chief from Yuma in particular) stirs up enough interest to get thousands interested back in 2013.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/t...oubts/?do=findComment&comment=306478

To refresh your memory about the F-35 Kinney project supported by Eagle Dynamics during this Kickstarter, go back to 2013:
F-35 Kickstarter in 2013 http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/topic/38960-kickstarting-your-doubts/

You don't have to build the software if your goal is just to get information from your fans. Kinney and his crew may have been simply "useful idiots" recruited by Russian interests.


In today's newsletter, the boss of ED (see what I did there?) craps on with "pre purchase the Viper" With the Russian in the slammer and the mentioning of ED in mainstream news.
This is a recipe for "take the money and run" especially if Lockheed Martin\P3D & General Dynamics decide to drag eagle dynamics.over the coals.
Meanwhile the boss of ED locks a thread and states that there will future media release over the incident. Seems to me like ED are gearing up for some lawyers and this rushed through pre release is a way to fund the lawsuit.

I am curious if the Russian threads get the same Berlin wall treatment as the English side of the forums.
If it was an American charged with stealing Russian flight manuals there would be uproar in the English forums, because it's a Russian, seems the boss of ED feels the need to put up the blockade.








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What a joke and waste of taxpayers money - monitoring the guy and extraditing him from the other side of the world FOR BUYING STUFF ON EBAY. Do you really think that actual real bad actors would have trouble sourcing these same manuals? The ones that are LEGAL to be bought by e.g. this random old Texan gramps "Sullivan"? Circumventing international shipping - well, so? If you want to buy a US exclusive pair of Jordan trainers from the US branch of Amazon.com, you pay an intermediary to receive the parcel and forward it onwards to yourself...

The world's gone mad, one would've thought this could happen in Kafkaesque Putin's Russia, but no... Mind boggles, really does.

As for intention to buy F-22 stuff - this does sound more serious, but also more of a thought crime. No exchange ever took place.

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If this causes ED to stop making flight sims what the #%&*$# will we do? WTF guys shut the #%&*$# up already and hope for the best!

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Originally Posted by Wolfstriked
If this causes ED to stop making flight sims what the #%&*$# will we do? WTF guys shut the #%&*$# up already and hope for the best!


Pffft! There is little to no evidence that E.D. bases any of its business decisions upon what customers say in forum postings. The Tishchenko case is national / international news. The legal and future information access issues are bound to far outweigh anything being said in here.

Carry on, folks!

#4478573 - 06/17/19 11:59 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: SinCityJet]  
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#4478845 - 06/19/19 09:55 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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#4478862 - 06/19/19 11:56 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Alicatt]  
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SALT LAKE CITY — A change-of-plea and sentencing hearing has been scheduled for a Russian citizen accused of smuggling F-16 technical manuals to his nation and other countries.

Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko, who was extradited from Eastern Europe and held in the Weber County Jail in Ogden pending trial, will appear in U.S. District Court Wednesday before Judge Dale Kimball.

An August jury trial has been canceled and Tishchenko will enter a new plea, according to online court records. He earlier pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring against the United States, smuggling and violating the Arms Export Control Act.
Cover page of a 1996 F-16 technical manual

Cover page of a 1996 manufacturer's technical manual for the F-16 fighter.
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An indictment said Tishchenko, 42, used an intermediary to buy F-16 fighter jet technical manuals that were for sale on eBay and ship them to him in Moscow.

Homeland Security agents said they obtained eBay records and learned that Tishchenko, from January 2012 through September 2015, auctioned F-16 flight manuals to buyers in Cyprus, Japan, the Netherlands, Australia, Germany and Taiwan.

Tishchenko, who identified himself on eBay as a developer for the Moscow-based Eagle Dynamics video game company, assured his intermediary there was no legal problem because the manuals were “obsolete.”

He only wanted to get manuals to “understand how stuff works” for implementing various fighters into the company’s Digital Combat Simulation World game, according to the indictment.

The man also inquired about obtaining F-35 and F-22 manuals, the indictment said.

Tishchenko is represented by the Federal Defender’s Office in Salt Lake City.

#4478940 - 06/19/19 06:08 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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First reports I've heard indicate he's pleaded guilty and been sentenced to one year in Federal prison. The local reporter, Mark Shenefelt who had been covering the story (which got picked up and that's why we know about it) did NOT attend the hearing. I know this because he told me so himself within the last hour.

However, he's not yet showing up in the Federal Bureau of Prisons database: [url=https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/][/url] https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/


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#4478986 - 06/19/19 10:13 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: mdwa]  
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Is this Chuck Owl?



Roflmao no, sorry to disappoint.

#4479032 - 06/20/19 07:28 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Chuck_Owl]  
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Originally Posted by mdwa
Is this Chuck Owl?



Roflmao no, sorry to disappoint.


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#4479090 - 06/20/19 02:49 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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@SinCityJet: He has been released already

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Federal Judge Dale Kimball sentenced him to one year and one day in prison, with credit for time served.

The sentence “sends a clear message of deterrence to others that similar conduct will be prosecuted,” the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Utah said in a statement sent to RFE/RL.

As Tishchenko has been held more than 12 months in federal custody, he was released to Homeland Security agents for deportation, according to a court filing.

“Defendant shall be released into the custody of Homeland Security agents today, 6/19/2019, and they will transport Defendant to the Salt Lake International Airport for self-deportation to Russia,” the filing stated.

https://www.rferl.org/a/u-s-deports-russian-convicted-of-smuggling-f-16-manuals/30009039.html

Typical for ED to try and keep this a secret for all this time, because why not only put out a fire when the place has burned down?

Still, i'm glad for Oleg for his expedient return back home, US penitentiaries aren't very hospitable places and 12 months in another country seem more than enough punishment for being an idiot. Props to his attorney as well.

#4479177 - 06/20/19 10:52 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Yep, as expected. As witnessed by recent actions in Washington, the "Department of Homeland Security" is not what it was.

No wonder this story got silenced. One poor reporter in Utah broke the secret or else we wouldn't have known anything about it.

#4479807 - 06/24/19 11:09 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: SinCityJet]  
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#4479853 - 06/25/19 05:41 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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What I don't understand, wasn't it the Texas guy who delivered the manuals to the russian and he was braking the law by shipping the manuals. In other words if I get someone to murder somebody, that somebody does it and get free, but I go to jail - well.. what do I know anyway...

#4479872 - 06/25/19 10:15 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: IceecI]  
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Originally Posted by IceecI
What I don't understand, wasn't it the Texas guy who delivered the manuals to the russian and he was braking the law by shipping the manuals. In other words if I get someone to murder somebody, that somebody does it and get free, but I go to jail - well.. what do I know anyway...


What you say makes sense, but since we are talking about a russian citizen, logic doesn't matter...

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