#4473400 - 05/08/19 03:15 PM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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The fundamental problem is that Uber and Lyft never intended for people to want to drive for them as their primary full time job. These driving jobs were intended to be part-time supplemental income type jobs for mostly college aged people. +1 Everyone, these days , wants their entry level no skill job transformed into a high paying career with no more exertion on their part.
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#4473401 - 05/08/19 03:18 PM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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Oh, and instead of receiving praise for providing a way people can make some extra money on the side and go to school etc. Uber/Lyft are castigated for being evil corporations.
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#4473413 - 05/08/19 04:14 PM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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F4--none of the drivers expect Uber and Lyft to be high-paying jobs. They only want to be treated fairly.
When a company pays you x, then gives you a 30% cut, then another 30% cut, and then another, etc., workers notice the drastic reduction in income. What irks the drivers even more, though, is how these companies haven't lowered their fare rates, and instituted policies forbidding cash tipping, so the company can swipe the tip money for themselves rather than pay it to the drivers.
Read up on what Uber in particular has done--pretty despicable in some instances.
The drivers aren't shackled to the platform though. They do have the ability to leave and find other work. Many left Uber and went to Lyft--who was better, for a while. Now even Lyft is tightening up. And since Lyft just IPO'd, and Uber is this week, both will be held accountable to shareholders which likely means further tightening.
What boggles my mind is both of these companies have issues with profitability, when their drivers bear the lion's share of burden. Sure, these companies run a "matchmaking" server, for customers and drivers, and payment processing, tracking, etc., but I'd think by now they'd be quite profitable given the increased take from their drivers. But truth is, both are pouring large amounts of money into self-driving tech--which is very smart from a management point of view, as once they eliminate the workers, they cut out a large cost.
Last summer, Lyft ran a test with Aptiv, a Delphi auto spinoff, who specializes in developing self-driving car technology. In Las Vegas, Nevada, they delivered 5000 passengers to their destination, safely, using robotic cabs. Pretty impressive. Vegas is flat, and a grid, but definitely prophetic of the future of cabs for hire.
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#4473419 - 05/08/19 04:39 PM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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I didn't think these ride/food delivery services were ever meant to be a full time job...that's what taxis are for. Using your own vehicle for something like this isn't a good way to go. I learned that at 18 delivering pizza and having to buy tires, brakes, oil changes etc, not to mention the loss of value. I thought this was meant to be a "give someone a lift" every now and then kind of thing for a few extra bucks on your way out, or weekends. A great service for seniors.
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#4473582 - 05/10/19 02:14 AM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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With computer glitches, viruses, and hackers I have no confidence in a self-driving car. Glad I'm too old to have to worry about it.
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#4473584 - 05/10/19 02:17 AM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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With computer glitches, viruses, and hackers I have no confidence in a self-driving car. Glad I'm too old to have to worry about it. Lots of that in the gray matter as well.
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#4473592 - 05/10/19 03:21 AM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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F4--none of the drivers expect Uber and Lyft to be high-paying jobs. They only want to be treated fairly.
When a company pays you x, then gives you a 30% cut, then another 30% cut, and then another, etc., workers notice the drastic reduction in income. What irks the drivers even more, though, is how these companies haven't lowered their fare rates, and instituted policies forbidding cash tipping, so the company can swipe the tip money for themselves rather than pay it to the drivers.
Read up on what Uber in particular has done--pretty despicable in some instances.
The drivers aren't shackled to the platform though. They do have the ability to leave and find other work. Many left Uber and went to Lyft--who was better, for a while. Now even Lyft is tightening up. And since Lyft just IPO'd, and Uber is this week, both will be held accountable to shareholders which likely means further tightening.
What boggles my mind is both of these companies have issues with profitability, when their drivers bear the lion's share of burden. Sure, these companies run a "matchmaking" server, for customers and drivers, and payment processing, tracking, etc., but I'd think by now they'd be quite profitable given the increased take from their drivers. But truth is, both are pouring large amounts of money into self-driving tech--which is very smart from a management point of view, as once they eliminate the workers, they cut out a large cost.
Last summer, Lyft ran a test with Aptiv, a Delphi auto spinoff, who specializes in developing self-driving car technology. In Las Vegas, Nevada, they delivered 5000 passengers to their destination, safely, using robotic cabs. Pretty impressive.
Vegas is flat, and a grid, but definitely prophetic of the future of cabs for hire. Its amazing they have anyone doing the job after getting robbed all the way around.
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#4473594 - 05/10/19 03:35 AM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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It was a good idea. It provided a service that people wanted, at a reasonable price. It also created many jobs that people could make extra cash with. Now how long did you think that was going to last until it was ruined.
Prediction: The service will now cost a lot more, and the drivers will make a lot less. But hey, the stock holders will be happy.
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#4473596 - 05/10/19 04:15 AM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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Lots of that in the gray matter as well. More gray matter outside my head than inside, these days I'm afraid.
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#4473655 - 05/10/19 07:19 PM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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Most don't consider it a career, though, and work these jobs to supplement their income. They'd likely be much better off mowing lawns. That has not been my experience in Miami. The majority of the Uber/Lyft drivers I've met do it as their primary full time job. Miami may be unique though since there's such a high constant influx of low income/low skilled immigrants who find Uber/Lyft attractive since all you need is a car and a smartphone. The 2 Uber/Lyft drivers we used in Vegas did it full time, 6 days a week. I think it depends where you live? If you live in a tourist hot spot then sure you can make a living out of it. You won't in Manchester NH and Boston is so against Uber/Lyft that I doubt they can down there either.
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#4473668 - 05/10/19 08:38 PM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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The Uber company is already losing investor's money on its IPO
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#4473709 - 05/11/19 07:10 AM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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Never is a long time but I can almost guarantee I will never be riding in a self driving car as long as I have my full set of faculties.
Wheels Exactly - once they get the autonomous car thing figured out we can go back to a good old fashioned pub crawl! Saying "one more for the road" will no longer be an archaic saying!
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#4473716 - 05/11/19 11:43 AM
Re: Uber and Lyft Drivers to Go on Strike May 7th
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Never is a long time but I can almost guarantee I will never be riding in a self driving car as long as I have my full set of faculties.
Wheels Exactly - once they get the autonomous car thing figured out we can go back to a good old fashioned pub crawl! Saying "one more for the road" will no longer be an archaic saying! Tesla is equipping it's cars for autonomous driving now, they're very close to making it work. And then Tesla owners can let their cars go out and earn extra bucks while they are doing other things, IE while they're working their full time job etc.
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