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#4471984 - 04/26/19 05:32 PM Windows 7, the End is Near  
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Support for Windows 7 is nearing the end


Typing this on a Win7 machine. I don't want to "upgrade" it. Sigh.


“Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens from crimes against themselves or their property. When government-- in pursuit of good intentions tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost comes in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.” - Milton Friedman
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#4471989 - 04/26/19 05:42 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Ending support just means you won't get any more security updates. Just be careful where you browse online and you should be fine. smile


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#4471993 - 04/26/19 06:14 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Unfortunately a lot of things in gaming are making it difficult to stay with windows 7.

MinecraftVR as well as certain VR flight sims and other games can't be used without Windows 10 due to a fundamental difference in how information is handled by the OS and used for VR.

Thinking I am going to bite the bullet and attempt a migration from my VERY stable, VERY old Windows 7 hard disk installation to a Windows 10 SSD install.

Really dread having to restart the customization process as it took years to get my machine into its current state of efficiency with all the different applications I use sporadically like the Adobe suite, Office, encryption, etc.. And let's not get started on drivers for hardware where the manufacturer went kaput 20 years ago..

#4471995 - 04/26/19 06:23 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Speaking of gaming and OS's, what ever happened to that big prediction and hoopla a few years ago about Linux taking over gaming from Windows??


I knew it was all pie in the sky talk from the outset.


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#4472001 - 04/26/19 06:49 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Most people who prefer using linux are playing games on it already. Most games more than a few years old already work on linux or variants of BSD like OSX etc..

#4472002 - 04/26/19 06:59 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: VF9_Longbow]  
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Originally Posted by VF9_Longbow
Most people who prefer using linux are playing games on it already. Most games more than a few years old already work on linux or variants of BSD like OSX etc..


Which popular PC games run on Linux?

I have over 12 games currently installed on my PC and none of them run on Linux.


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#4472006 - 04/26/19 07:46 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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i run the following on linux (though usually use windows for convenience)

CMANO
Mount and Blade
Minecraft
Civilization (Any of them)
Cities Skylines
Total War (Almost all of them)
Kerbal Space Program
Dirt Rally
Hitman
Wolfenstein
Skyrim

among others. I think virtually all of the Paradox Interactive strategy/tactical games work on linux and BSD.

The limitation used to be that the games were too slow to run using WINE or similar programs, but nowadays computers have so much power that they blast through most of the performance limitations.

Steam is really pushing developers to make their games cross platform compatible as well

#4472010 - 04/26/19 08:00 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Screw Windows 10.

#4472011 - 04/26/19 08:03 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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This could change everything; Steam are rolling out and developing Proton, their own version of WINE Windows Emulation thingy. Already quite a few games work on Linux.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...now-run-on-steam-for-linux/#5908cdfee3fa

And most recently, there may yet be hope even for non-steam games.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...ou-play-windows-games-from-other-stores/

I'll be going to Linux directly from my gallant Windows 7, rather than have anything to do with Microsoft ever again.


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#4472014 - 04/26/19 08:17 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: VF9_Longbow]  
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Originally Posted by VF9_Longbow
Unfortunately a lot of things in gaming are making it difficult to stay with windows 7.

MinecraftVR as well as certain VR flight sims and other games can't be used without Windows 10 due to a fundamental difference in how information is handled by the OS and used for VR.


My primary gaming machine / VR machine is Win10. But the PC I'm on now, which still runs a lot of older games, does everything I need running Win7.


“Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens from crimes against themselves or their property. When government-- in pursuit of good intentions tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost comes in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.” - Milton Friedman
#4472016 - 04/26/19 08:29 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Longbow , just FYI I upgraded last week my 5 years old windows 7 install to a win10 install, using the "upgrade existing installation" instead of "new installation". I am not tottally comfy with the new UI yet, but so far all my old games custom installs (il2 46, steel fury, strike fighters 2, falcon BMS to name a few) work well. I had no driver search to perform for my printer, motherboard, warthog, pedals (didn't try my wheel or gamepad yet), everything went painless so far.

I needed to upgrade because my windows 7 family had a 16Gb ram limit, and I need 32Gb to run this DCS harware hog (which has both a fantastic F-14 and a very correct M2000 modules I can't deprive myself of).

Good luck on your OS move for those who do.

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#4472020 - 04/26/19 08:59 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Thanks rolln.

Unfortunately the thing I want to do is get everything migrated over to an SSD and this may be a difficult thing to do. Just plopping windows 10 onto the HD is straightforward enough but when you try to migrate the OS to a different drive entirely...it doesn't seem like they ever expected or wanted people to do that without a full reinstall from scratch. I haven't started the process yet but I'm expecting it's going to require a lot of work to make it function properly.

#4472023 - 04/26/19 09:21 PM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I tried Linux for gaming once. For the games that I actually played back then it was worse than useless. I had a large Steam library and less that 5% of the games I owned had a native Linux version. That may have changed now but I'm unwilling to try it again when Win 10 runs everything I play perfectly.


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#4472048 - 04/27/19 12:29 AM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Screw Windows 10.


Shame they don't have a 'like' button here. I'd be pressing it.

Win7 at home, but I have to endure win10 at work..interface just sucks.
Thank God I can VM into a very sane linux install there.


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#4472057 - 04/27/19 01:57 AM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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#4472059 - 04/27/19 02:07 AM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Support for Windows 7 is nearing the end


Typing this on a Win7 machine. I don't want to "upgrade" it. Sigh.


i had to because of my usb3 new mobo. windows 10 is not so bad....but it hides a lott from stupid users
well at least now its easier to get input on search from your pc instead of the internet, so i dont know how infuriating this was when it launched, so i'm glad i held untill the last time

#4472065 - 04/27/19 04:35 AM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by me

Although I've used Windows 7 I never ran Windows 7 as I milked my old PCs along on XP until it expired security updates. Once I realized the endless amount of counter measures I would have to take to turn off just the tracking and extra crap on Win8 I realized my time was soon coming to go to Linux.

I had dabbled in Linux, BSD variants and VM's for many years on occasion between 1999-2009 and so I was not completey unfamiliar with its benefits.
But also I was reluctant to try switching over since really Linux took a lot of work back then and game support was slim and hardware issues abounded.
Also just to set up Linux with a useful Desktop Enviroment / GUI was a hassle, fairly technical and buggy. Also just knowing the proper installer, partition method, etc could get very complex.

Now its really not for the most part. Complete Linux Distributions have matured which contain all the needed stuff and install very easy.
Mint and so many other like its base Ubuntu install relatively painlessly (in most cases) and are complete in GUI / Desktop Enviroment, meaning the user can perform any action without using a console (aka terminal, command prompt, shell).

That said it still makes it a whole lot easier for technical issues, customizations, and power-users if you read up a bit and get familiar with Linux and some of the vast power of the terminal commands available, etc.
Also its much faster to do many things and has powerful and fast search and similar functions from the 'shell'. But then again now does Windows if you use Powershell, etc.

As far as Gaming its been pointed out here Linux support has massively increased mostly due to demand and products like Steam. etc.

As far as actually replacing Windows 7 for Windows games if you have a bunch of them and custom setups (of course you do - this is SimHQ!) I wouldn't give up your Windows 7. Nor would I guarantee migrating to later Windows will not make you have to compromise.

Better you get used to having more than 1 machine for that favorite game until eventually you stop playing it or are willing to pay the price of migration.

Personally I echo this:
Originally Posted by McGonigle

I'll be going to Linux directly from my gallant Windows 7, rather than have anything to do with Microsoft ever again.


Thats the main reason I switched completely to Linux originally.
But now I actually like it a lot.
I get a lot more done, am more secure and less tracked, etc. I advance in my technical scope and have no lack of freely available tools and software. I don't ever have to search for 'cracks', downloads, etc.
i don't have to really ever 'pay' for any software again, although I can. There are paid software, games, even whole Linux Distros if needed. Heck I can even run Windows in a VM if I ever wanted (no reason to becaause anything you can do with Windows software you can do with Linux, with very few exceptions.

For instance the LibreOffice already installed with Mint is actually superior to MS Office for my uses and I love the Writer which I feel is better than M$ Word.

However I would say although I really think some Linux Distros like Mint are better than Windows and technically superior its not without its trevails. And in all reality these mature systems are somewhat similar in most ways and indeed some of the annoyances.
So for instance if you get 'bugged' by updates on Windows you might be bugged by upadtes on Linux because they occur constainly although you can control and limit them basically better.
And you can use a fixed system also that does not 'upgrade' but is static and either gets security updates or does not and may even be strickly designed for offine use.

Basically a Linux system is not exposed to the countless Windows attacks.

That said any internet facing software like Browsers etc. are the number one targets of exploits and they are vulnerable on Linux also. Just less of the time since many exploits just don't work on Linux.
Same with tracking now. Most tracking comes from your browser, or socail media or apps and Android, your phone, etc. Ultimately since people data is now currency of business we are scr*wd! l..

That said its real nice to fire up my Laptop and know without a single shred of unwanted data connections to the M$ empire.
I don't use ggogle, facebook, twitter, instagram, etc. and I don't miss nor need them.
Those companies can bite the dust and I really won't miss a beat.

Anyway personally my recommend has changed. I'm now in favor of using various machines for various purposes.
If you want a Window 7 machine or other for some reason now is the time.

See my post here at SimHQ about my new $20 Laptop:
Loving Linux Mint Toshiba Laptops

Craigslist or flea market, online you can buy loads of nice ones for dirt cheap since most people will just get another machine. Or rather they are forced to.
And frankly even on Linux you will be forced to upgrade eventually, as that is how the computer market works. Especially if you are a "got to have the lastest' type gamer. I'm not.

Anyhew...



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#4472068 - 04/27/19 05:05 AM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Wow...some of you guys just can't let go, can you? Progress is good, boys. 10 is, for me, the smoothest and most trouble free Windows that has yet to be.


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#4472076 - 04/27/19 06:57 AM Re: Windows 7, the End is Near [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Ending support just means you won't get any more security updates. Just be careful where you browse online and you should be fine. smile

I'm not sure if that's meant to be a joke, but it's pretty irresponsible either way. Unless your browser of choice is Lynx, which can't do anything by design. Every day new exploits are detected, if those that don't get fixed simply make your exposure to the internet risky. It's not a matter of if, only of when. An unpatched Windows XP machine connecting to the internet will probably join a bot network in under ten minutes of browsing ad-heavy websites. Windows 7 is better off, but that will quickly change over the next months.

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