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#4471173 - 04/19/19 03:04 PM NHL Playoffs  
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Who else is watching the madness that is the 2019 NHL Playoffs ?
Tampa Bay only loses 16 of 82 games all season. They did not lose 3 in a row all year. They get swept by Columbus, who had to fight tooth and nail to make the playoffs
Calgary, the number 1 seed in the West is down 3 games to 1 to Colorado, who most wrote off at Christmas.
Islanders sweep the Penguins, Islanders have been crazy good all year.
Leafs are stressing the crap out of me against the Bruins AGAIN.


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#4471177 - 04/19/19 03:08 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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I was shocked to see the Rays and Pens already ousted from the playoffs. can't imagine anyone saw that happening. I try to watch the Bruin's since they're my local team, but they are so up and down and Rask usually ends up killing them by letting in soft goals I just can't bring myself to wasting 2-3 hrs watching them anymore.


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#4471184 - 04/19/19 03:50 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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I love watching a number 8 seed (wild card 2) knock out a number one seed in the first round of the playoffs. The Islanders have look like a team that could go deep all year. Tampa Bay Lightning looked like they were sleep walking. The Vegas vs San Jose series has been great. The late come back of St. Louis last night was insane. Colorado is skating rings around Calgary (Tkachuk is choking on his mouth guard now).Don't look now, but Carolina is challenging the Caps. The Leafs Bruins series is a strange one. Both teams look bipolar. You never know what team will show up each night. I wish Kadri would have kept his wits about him and not got himself suspended. But the best part so far for me, was watching the Pens go down so quickly. I love it. The Sidney Crosby love fest by NBC Sports may be finally coming to an end.


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#4471224 - 04/19/19 08:07 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Who are the Rays?

I was pulling for Calgary. Great Reggie Lemelin connection there, Calgary to Boston, and Reg was a fan favorite.

As a Boston native, it's hard to do but I am a hockey fan first, NHL fan close second and Bruins fan an even closer third. I can tell you about Teeder Kennedy, or Jack Darragh, etc.

Here's the thing about Rask. yes he can be streaky and he can lose focus. But when your team allows the other team to outshoot your team by 12 shots each period...then the art of Defense as a Team activity and goals-against as a team stat come into focus. Bs are simply getting weaknesses in defense exposed. Chara can only do so much. McAvoy is still having some growing pains. Cassidy has some luxury on the offensive side but defense is a concern if you ask me, and what's Butch gonna do? Only so many guys on the blueline.

D and goaltending, hand and hand, and the Bs must get stingy or lose. Simple as that. Rask looked really really good at times in game 4. He let in a couple, but some pucks had eyes and one he had no chance on, screen high and low, forget it.


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#4471230 - 04/19/19 08:34 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: 462cid]  
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Who are the Rays?



Tampa's baseball team. TG got a bit mixed up.

Loved seeing the Lightning swept. Maybe that's what happens when you clinch so early and aren't playing meaningful games for a month. Maybe some overconfidence, and there's no accounting for Bob.

And of course the hated Pens. But my team didn't even make it so I have no room to talk.

One thing I did want to mention and never got around to it was Buffalo's historic collapse. There was a thread here in November or thereabouts when Buffalo had the best record in the league. They stunk the rest of the way. It's mind boggling that team can be that good for two months, and then lousy for the rest of the season. It's interesting to me that it can go like that. Sports yeah, but what's the real story?

I'm following the playoffs, but not watching.


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#4471232 - 04/19/19 08:43 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Well it is sure a happy day here in the "D". The much anticipated announcement of Stevie Yzerman as the new GM. Hopefully the first thing he will do is fire Ken Holland and then fire coach Jeff Blashill. . The Red Wings have become nothing more than "a player development camp" for bad draft choices. We will take Phil Housley for sure. I am still amazed that the Sabres have not seen any success in he last few years.


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#4471237 - 04/19/19 09:14 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Buffalo's hot streak was a bit of a smoke and mirror show. They were winning a lot of 1 goals games.
It's great for hockey to have Steve Yzerman back in Detroit.


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#4471242 - 04/19/19 09:27 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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#4471259 - 04/19/19 11:20 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
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#4471284 - 04/20/19 02:28 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Watch out for the Sens next year as it is their year. winkngrin

Dude, even I feel bad for Sens fans. Horrible ownership. Dodged a bullet at the draft lottery though.

Holy crap what a stressful game. Leafs up 3 game to 2 against Boston. I'm hoping they finish them off Sunday at home. Games 7's in Boston are not friendly to Toronto.


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#4471290 - 04/20/19 03:30 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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You know the Bruins fan base is going to be soar about that goal that was allowed. The call could have gone either way. I am glad the league is deciding to let the "ticky tac" contact slide a little on those calls. They just need to be consistent on them now. You are right, Leafs better win game 6 in Toronto.

I am watching Calgary flounder right now. Could the top seed in the West be going down too? The two top seeds out so quickly is crazy.



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#4471298 - 04/20/19 09:06 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Columbus Blue Jackets sweep Tampa Bay Lightning, 4-0
Toronto Maple Leafs lead Boston Bruins, 3-2
New York Islanders sweep Pittsburgh Penguins, 4-0
Washington Capitals tied with Carolina Hurricanes, 2-2
Colorado Avalanche beat Calgary Flames, 4-1
Vegas Golden Knights lead San Jose Sharks, 3-2
Nashville Predators tied with Dallas Stars, 2-2
St. Louis Blues lead Winnipeg Jets, 3-2

The top 2 teams gone eek and Winnipeg and SJ, on the edge of elimination.

Am sure glad not a Leafs fan...so close. Grudgingly will have to cheer for them, gives me the creeps, as they are the only Canadian team left.

Yes WT Sens owner is a major problem, be sure.


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#4471322 - 04/20/19 03:46 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Sure Bruins fans will be sore about the allowed goal. But the contact was minimal. Deemed not enough to overturn. Bruins did not deserve to win that game. Toronto carried the play the whole game. Bruins were given 2 phantom PP's, their only goal, which was offside, was deemed onside. The right team won that game. ( yes I know, I am a huge Leaf fan, but I honestly believe this)


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#4471324 - 04/20/19 03:58 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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There has been such huge upsets, NHL.com Is allowing a second chance at their fantasy bracket game. Haha, that has never happened.


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#4471354 - 04/21/19 01:56 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Winnipeg is out. Toronto is the only Canadian team left. All of Canada loves Toronto though ? ...right ?


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#4471355 - 04/21/19 02:11 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Or is it that all of Canada hates the Bruins?

The Dallas Stars are one game away from knocking out the Preds. What is going on ?

I guess the old saying that the regular season means nothing once the playoff starts still rings true.


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#4471361 - 04/21/19 03:13 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Has the bubble burst for the 'Canes? 6-0 for the Caps tonight.


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#4471366 - 04/21/19 05:15 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: LB4LB]  
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Originally Posted by LB4LB
Or is it that all of Canada hates the Bruins?

The Dallas Stars are one game away from knocking out the Preds. What is going on ?

I guess the old saying that the regular season means nothing once the playoff starts still rings true.


There are a lot of Bruins fans in Canada. I know quite a few.
I'm not sure this is good for the NHL or not. Top seeds getting knocked out first round. Home ice is clearly no advantage. It make you wonder what the point is of the 82 game grind.


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Boston is an Original Six (Boston, Toronto, Montreal, New York, Detroit, Chicago). Hard to break those first allegiances..


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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Boston is an Original Six (Boston, Toronto, Montreal, New York, Detroit, Chicago). Hard to break those first allegiances..

Yes, and Bobby Orr is still hugely beloved.
As an elementary school kid,mid 70's, I use to take out the Bobby Orr book all the time. He was the first superstar I remember. I remember watching him om black and white TV.


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I wasn't a hockey fan but you had to be living under a rock to have not heard of Bobby Orr in the 1970's.


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I wish today's Leafs/Bruins game wasn't an afternoon game. The early games always seem to lack intensity. Maybe that will work towards the Leafs favor. Boston does seem to be sleepwalking a bit in this series.


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Originally Posted by LB4LB
I wish today's Leafs/Bruins game wasn't an afternoon game. The early games always seem to lack intensity. Maybe that will work towards the Leafs favor. Boston does seem to be sleepwalking a bit in this series.

Game 2 being the only exception.


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#4471445 - 04/22/19 12:19 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Toronto blew it by not ending it today.


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Well stayed up late to watch the VGK/SJ game. What a turd of a game. Both teams looked like they had at too much Easter brunch. It looked like it was played in slow motion. Leafs game was good though. Leaf nation just has to believe they can win game 7. It's possible. Positve vibes man...................


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Originally Posted by LB4LB
I wish today's Leafs/Bruins game wasn't an afternoon game. The early games always seem to lack intensity. Maybe that will work towards the Leafs favor. Boston does seem to be sleepwalking a bit in this series.


well that didn't happen yesterday, Anderson made some incredible saves.


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#4471482 - 04/22/19 03:36 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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The Leafs never make it easy on their fans.


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Isn't this first time since 2004 that that could advance to the next round? And, 52 years since they have won a Stanley Cup.


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I've been a fan for over 40 yrs. Even when they have made the playoffs in the past, they always seem to go 7 games. I was born in 67.


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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Isn't this first time since 2004 that that could advance to the next round? And, 52 years since they have won a Stanley Cup.


2013, the Leafs were up 4-1 in the deciding game and blew it to lose the series. Even the GM Brian Burke left the game because he figured it was wrapped up.

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#4471575 - 04/23/19 05:54 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Another #1 team out > Nashville.

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That was nice to see he Stars win. It's been a while since they have had playoff success.


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Originally Posted by LB4LB
That was nice to see he Stars win. It's been a while since they have had playoff success.




Didn't their owner call Benn and Seguin horse #%&*$# players ? Just might have worked in bonding that dressing room together.

BTW, my mood emoji reflects ANOTHER game 7 in Boston. Still irritated they couldn't get it done in game 6.


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Originally Posted by LB4LB
That was nice to see he Stars win. It's been a while since they have had playoff success.




Didn't their owner call Benn and Seguin horse #%&*$# players ? Just might have worked in bonding that dressing room together.

BTW, my mood emoji reflects ANOTHER game 7 in Boston. Still irritated they couldn't get it done in game 6.


Yeah, and Benn pretty much said he didn't give a sheet what the owner thought. Bet he is all smiles now. Winning does that, you know.

Positive vibes. Go Leafs Go !!!!!!!!


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2 game 7's tonight.

Leafs/Bruins and Vegas/San Jose


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Congratulations to Toronto for a heck of a season.


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The Leafs gave the Bruins a really good series. You can't make mistakes in your own end, and win game seven's.


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Can someone go check on Wango.


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I work for a major hockey company, had a bunch of Canadians down here yesterday hyping up the Leafs as they left yesterday. They were all very quiet when they came in this morning... hahaha

Never expected the B's to play that good, I think Columbus being off for so long could actually hurt them as it has against other teams in the past.

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What a meltdown for Vegas. Up 3-0 in the game and lost in OT.


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That has got to be one of the worst meltdowns in NHL history. Unbelievable. VGK should have taken a timeout after first SJ goal. Total disaster.


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Originally Posted by LB4LB
That has got to be one of the worst meltdowns in NHL history. Unbelievable. VGK should have taken a timeout after first SJ goal. Total disaster.


What is your thought on the penalty? I thought it was a bit harsh.


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Well, IMHO,I think the original cross check right off the face off should have just been a two minute minor. Pavelski's injury seemed to come from when he came into contact with Stasttey. . I don't think Stastney even saw him coming. It was a scary looking play, and I think the ref let that dictate the call instead of the original hit. Still, all in all, VGK coach did not handle the situation well. Major choke.


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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Can someone go check on Wango.

LOL. Thank God Jake Gardner has likely played his last game as a Leaf. Freddie Anderson has been a good goalie, but that first goal should not have squeaked in at the angle. The thing that really bothers me is that the Leafs had no answer for Bostons dirty tactics. Marchand's crosscheck from behind on Matthews at the end of the second period. Chara's sucker punch to the head of Tavares. I miss the Leafs teams with toughness. But the NHL is about speed and skill, hitting is at a minimum even in the playoffs now.
Babcock is obviously one stubborn ass too. Last 2 games he pulled the goalie at terrible moments. It will be interesting to see if they keep Babcock as coach. He has 4 more years at $6.25 mil.They had Boston for the taking in game 6 and blew it.


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Leaf's had a good regular season yes, best in years right? But I doubt any Leafs fan is feeling content today.

I don't see Babcock going anywhere this year. But I don't have my finger on the pulse of Leaf Nation.

The Flyers lack grit too. Not sure how important it is anymore. The best way to deal with dirty tactics in today's NHL is to bang in another goal. But the Flyers can't do that either, so that's why they are home watching the playoffs.


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Originally Posted by LB4LB
Well, IMHO,I think the original cross check right off the face off should have just been a two minute minor. Pavelski's injury seemed to come from when he came into contact with Stasttey. . I don't think Stastney even saw him coming. It was a scary looking play, and I think the ref let that dictate the call instead of the original hit. Still, all in all, VGK coach did not handle the situation well. Major choke.


I agree.
It was ugly looking, terrible injury, but totally accidental.


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Statsny at zero fault.

However the rules do state that in the case of serious injury as a result of the crosscheck, the referee does have the leeway to call the major. Rules say nothing about the stick inflicting injury, just *if* the injury occurs.

If Pav hadn't been injured so badly, 2 mins. But he was and the ref exerted his discretion.

Anybody learn anything about his condition? I can't find any updates.


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Well, Holy Quacamole ! The Canes have ousted the defending champs in double OT game 7.

The only team left that NBC Sports knows their rink location is Boston.

Go Islanders !


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LOL. It looked like the Canes were down and out at the end of the 1st so stopped watching. Should have known better with how the games have been going this year.


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Washington was terrible in OT. They looked exhausted and defeated. Carolina definitely earned the victory.


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I see the Caps are back to their old form. Great regular season, followed by a first playoff round exit.


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NHL apologizes to Golden Knights for controversial penalty call

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nh...ontroversial-penalty-call-203853135.html


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I still can't find any information on what Pavelski's injury ended up being and how he is doing now. Is he expected to play again soon ?

Great comments on that article. The call was bad, but as one guy said:

The VGK's should apologies to their fans for giving up four power play goals in five minutes. LOL !

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The VGK's should apologies to their fans for giving up four power play goals in five minutes. LOL !


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Looks like Carolina Hurricanes are the odds on favourites to be the Stanley Cup winners.

Take the Islanders 4-0. while the other teams are going have to play at least 2 or 3 more games.


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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Looks like Carolina Hurricanes are the odds on favourites to be the Stanley Cup winners.

Take the Islanders 4-0. while the other teams are going have to play at least 2 or 3 more games.

Anyone but the Bruins and that rat #%&*$# Marchand.

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The Cane's do look very impressive. I really didn't notice until recently that they have some bigger dudes on that team. Aho is is finally getting some recognition.

The Sharks are looking pretty darn good too.

Marchand, or "Le Rat", is an embarrassment to the Bruins organization and the NHL itself. I hope he becomes more of a liability than an asset as the playoffs go.


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He does look like a rat, doesn't he.


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I remember when Kenny Linesman from the Edmonton Oiler's was known as "The Rat" (showing my age there). He actually was one of my favorite childhood players. Marchand is just an a$$. All season long, Boston had their PR people trying to clean up his image, only for him to show his real colors in the playoffs. I think the NHL players voted him "the most punch able face in the league" last year. I'm sure he won again this year.


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Marchand's in the wrong. But don't act like other players have not or will not play like that. I don't excuse him one bit of his antics. He's a heck of a hockey player and he has a dirty streak. Lots of players do, and the focus on Marchand is, simply, becasue he's a smallish player with an unusual face and you love to hate him for various reasons. That's just the facts, don't make it more than it is, and don't make his behavior more than it is. The whack to the back of the head? You've all seen it, none of you like it, and that's something that happens in the competitive game. No different from getting an anonymous punch while in a scrum. Hell I've played 'friendly' games where brothers on different teams start high sticking each other throat high.

Marchand's dirty play is not heroic, it's not something to admire, and it's not really that unusual. Guys, stop getting so wrapped around the axle. I read some Canadian coverage that is going bananas over it. Really? It's bad behavior, it was worthy of a minor, maybe a double minor, for unsportsmanlike. And we see minors all the time. And we see minors missed a dozen times a game.

I'll never ask you to defend dirty play and it was a dirty play. But I do expect the hockey conscious among us to categorize it appropriately- poor individual play, selfish play, unnecessary play, and play that could haunt the team later, as well as dirty. But that's all. And don't tell me he's a repeat offender. If he wasn't, it wouldn't even be discussed. This "he looks like a rat" mumbo-jumbo? It's beneath you KanuK. He didn't choose his looks any more than you did. Pick something legit please.

Big game today and I hope one of the elite players on the Bruins gets his head screwed on straight. Frustration isn't a good excuse, he's a pro. Go Bruins.


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Originally Posted by 462cid
Marchand's in the wrong. But don't act like other players have not or will not play like that. I don't excuse him one bit of his antics. He's a heck of a hockey player and he has a dirty streak. Lots of players do, and the focus on Marchand is, simply, becasue he's a smallish player with an unusual face and you love to hate him for various reasons. That's just the facts, don't make it more than it is, and don't make his behavior more than it is. The whack to the back of the head? You've all seen it, none of you like it, and that's something that happens in the competitive game. No different from getting an anonymous punch while in a scrum. Hell I've played 'friendly' games where brothers on different teams start high sticking each other throat high.

Marchand's dirty play is not heroic, it's not something to admire, and it's not really that unusual. Guys, stop getting so wrapped around the axle. I read some Canadian coverage that is going bananas over it. Really? It's bad behavior, it was worthy of a minor, maybe a double minor, for unsportsmanlike. And we see minors all the time. And we see minors missed a dozen times a game.

I'll never ask you to defend dirty play and it was a dirty play. But I do expect the hockey conscious among us to categorize it appropriately- poor individual play, selfish play, unnecessary play, and play that could haunt the team later, as well as dirty. But that's all. And don't tell me he's a repeat offender. If he wasn't, it wouldn't even be discussed. This "he looks like a rat" mumbo-jumbo? It's beneath you KanuK. He didn't choose his looks any more than you did. Pick something legit please.

Big game today and I hope one of the elite players on the Bruins gets his head screwed on straight. Frustration isn't a good excuse, he's a pro. Go Bruins.

Don't try and normalize his behavior. Marchand has a long history of idiotic infractions, fines and suspensions. Name me 5 current players that are comparable to him in that area ? Kadri, who else ? #%&*$# the Bruins.


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Didn't say it was the norm. Or that is was common. Said it happens. You didn't read very far before emotion took over. You're also belligerent for no good reason here.

If this is a player bashing or team bashing thread, then frankly, grow up and #%&*$# t you. Got no time for it. You're supposed to be an adult.


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I can't stand it when people make excuses for that Rat Marchand. I'll bash him all day long if I want 462cid. He's one of the dirtiest players in the league, he did something dirty(and cowardly) AGAIN, so it is very relevant to this playoff thread. I don't care if you don't approve. BTW, you are a Bruins fan, so perhaps you are seeing things through black and gold glasses ?


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Originally Posted by LB4LB
I remember when Kenny Linesman from the Edmonton Oiler's was known as "The Rat" (showing my age there). He actually was one of my favorite childhood players. Marchand is just an a$$. All season long, Boston had their PR people trying to clean up his image, only for him to show his real colors in the playoffs. I think the NHL players voted him "the most punch able face in the league" last year. I'm sure he won again this year.



We had him in Boston for a while, I liked his role better than Marchand who I just can't stand.

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Originally Posted by WangoTango
I can't stand it when people make excuses for that Rat Marchand. I'll bash him all day long if I want 462cid. He's one of the dirtiest players in the league, he did something dirty(and cowardly) AGAIN, so it is very relevant to this playoff thread. I don't care if you don't approve. BTW, you are a Bruins fan, so perhaps you are seeing things through black and gold glasses ?


So WT, do you feel the same about the cheap shot hits to the heads from players? I hated Subban back in his Habs days, he was a cheap shot artist and would never drop the gloves...

Here's a list of more dirty players, I totally agree with Sidney Crosby, that b!tch is protected by the NHL because of his status. I miss the days of Cam Neeley who was a 50 goal scorer and would drop and pummel anyone.


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TG, who is the b!tch, Crosby or Marchand?

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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
TG, who is the b!tch, Crosby or Marchand?


both because I've never seen Marchand drop his gloves either... I hate players that pull that crap.

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Roger that.


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Whenever two guys start pushing and shoving each other, other guys jump right in and start grabbing guys from behind. Even when two guys start to fight, other guys jump in with face wash's from behind. I think the smaller players (and so called "stars") know that they can start something and never have to worry about finishing it. Even the refs jump in an immediately, getting in the middle of it now. Marchand knows darn well he can take all the pot shots he wants to, and he won't have to square up with anybody. It's one of the bad parts of the modern NHL.

Side note:

I just heard that Ken Holland is now the GM of the Edmonton Oilers. His first act will be to sign Milan Lucic to a 10 year $150 million dollar contract extension. LOL. Maybe they will take Blashil too.

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I hate cheap shots, period. Especially from smaller players who know their bigger teammates will jump in and save their butt. I'm a Leaf fan, and I could not stand Darcy Tucker for this reason.
As far as Crosby goes, nobody, I mean nobody, in the league has to endure the physical attention that he does. He is so good down low at protecting the puck, he is constantly cross checked.
Anyone who thinks he's a pussy doesn't watch him play. He gets a bad rap because his first 2 years in the league he was a whiner, bioched too much to the refs, and threw his head back to get penalty calls his way.
He was 18 and 19 years old. He matured and stopped that crap. People that still call him a baby either don't watch him play, or hate him because he is their teams rival.

Even Doug Gilmour, when with the Leafs, pissed me off sometimes with the odd cheapshot. It just rubs me the wrong way, when a smaller player knows his bigger, tougher teammates will jump in. It's like, when we were kids, the mouthy little #%&*$# in the neighborhood who chirped off all the time, because he had a big brother.


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LB4LB, They threw so much money at Holland he couldn't say no IMO ( I mean who wants to live in Edmonton ?). Holland is a very smart GM, he has the Cups to prove it. Detroit was a very competitive team for 20 years straight.
He has the best player in the world in McDavid, and a star in Draisaitl. But beyond that ? Yikes, he has his work cut out for him. Likely he buys out Lucic who just doesn't fit in the new faster NHL.


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Top Gun, I respected Cam Neely greatly. But his type of player was even rare back then, 25 yrs or so ? One of my faves of all time was Owen Nolan, who was only a Leaf briefly. Loved to watch him play in Quebec, Colorado, SJ etc.
There are no Cam Neelys, Owen Nolans anymore. To expect Crosby to be one is unrealistic IMO.


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Originally Posted by WangoTango
Top Gun, I respected Cam Neely greatly. But his type of player was even rare back then, 25 yrs or so ? One of my faves of all time was Owen Nolan, who was only a Leaf briefly. Loved to watch him play in Quebec, Colorado, SJ etc.
There are no Cam Neelys, Owen Nolans anymore. To expect Crosby to be one is unrealistic IMO.


very true about Neeley, I know the coaches didn't want him fighting because he was such a goal scorer and it didn't take much for him and Ulf Samuelson of the Whalers to egg Neeley on and put him in the sin bin. Who wouldn't take that trade off if they get matching penalties...

As far as Marchand, I think the refs watch him so closely now because of his reputation for being a punk he gets calls very quickly. Which I'm fine with because his punk reputation is well deserved, I was hoping they were going to trade him some years back. Yes he's a great goal scorer the last 2 years, but I can't stand him play when he's not scoring.

For me, it's no different than not wanting LeBron coming to the Celts because he's not a team player. If you've ever listened to his after game conferences it's always me, me me...

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So, TopGun, you are a Bruins fan ? and can't stand Marchand's antics ?
Refs may watch him, but he still gets away with a lot of cheap shots.
In a way it's unfair to his teammates, the Bruins should be very respected, but Marchand's takes some of that away.

BTW Ulf Samuelson was one of the dirtiest players of all time. Tie Domi gave him what he deserved though. (yes it was dirty, but not many cried for Ulf)


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It's too bad that all the great play of Patrice Bergeron is over shadowed by the whole Marchand thing. Bergeron is one of the best, and classiest players in the league.

As far as Holland, he WAS a great GM at one time, but the long list of grossly overpaid bad players in the last ten years was just getting too big. He never adjusted well to the new salary cap NHL.

I do respect Crosby's game. His whining and the over hyping by the the media just didn't sit well with most NHL fans. Marchand has had a chance to be known for his great play, but he seems to revel in the whole "bad guy of the league" persona.


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Sorry, Crosby doesn't "whine" to the refs anymore than any Captain in the league. He is hyped because he has been one of the greatest players in this modern era. I'm no Penguins fan, but I know what I see when I watch him play. Hate can dictate perception.

I think Marchand just can't help himself. He had over a 100 points this season, he is an elite player, but that's not what he will be remembered for. It will be the slew foots, cheap shots, and especially licking the faces of Komorov and Callahan.

And yes Bergeron is an amazing, classy player.


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What happened when Crosby hacked Methot? 10 stiches required to the finger.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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Not completely related, but sort of. Seeing as there are some passionate hockey fans here.

I am going to be starting a NHL Yahoo Fantasy keeper league in the Fall. I am recently retired and will have the time to commit to it.
I played last year and had a great time. But it was a one and done season.
Teams will be compiled via draft. A keeper league means that your roster will carry over to the next year, so trades/waivers etc have a bigger impact.

Just throwing it out there. Draft will be sometime in September, I will start a thread around that time.
Looking to have 12 or so teams involved.
Let me know if you are interested.

No money required, just for fun and bragging rights. Although Yahoo does give out "virtual" trophies.


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#4473202 - 05/06/19 05:19 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
What happened when Crosby hacked Methot? 10 stiches required to the finger.


I'm not saying Crosby is perfect. Yeah, he got away with one there. That was nasty. I thought he lost the tip of his finger.
The NHL did however focus a lot more on slashes to hand after that. Way more slashing calls starting last season. Not always a good thing.

Also, sure Crosby can guilty of "whining". But IMO he endures a ton of abuse, mostly stick work, because of his style of play. He protects the pucks so well.


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Be something if it is the Wild Cards that end up playing for the Cup.

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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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The Bruins are absolutely "locking it down" in their own end. If any shots did get thru to Rask, there were no secondary rebound shots. The Canes have their work cut out for them.

The McAvoy hit sure looked nasty.Even if it wasn't intentional, he sure made contact with the head. Should have been a 5 minute match major, but after the VGK debacle I think the refs were hesitant to call one. Didn't matter in the end. At he hand shake at the end, MacAvoy looked to apologize to Anderson, and Anderson seemed to be okay with it. I bet there is a one game suspension though.


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Would this be good for the league ? I think it demeans the regular season.


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Is this the result of the "parity" that the league has pushed so hard for, or just a fluke ?

Or do they need to go back to the older playoff set up, and get rid of the whole wild card thing ?


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Originally Posted by LB4LB
Is this the result of the "parity" that the league has pushed so hard for, or just a fluke ?

Or do they need to go back to the older playoff set up, and get rid of the whole wild card thing ?


Apparently over half of NHL players do not like the current Wild Card set up. Personally I preferred the old 1 vs 8 format. Bettman wanted to create division rivalries.


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Should know but does every team play every other team the same number of times?


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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Not sure exactly what you mean KK, but this may hold the answer.
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Originally Posted by WangoTango
Sorry, Crosby doesn't "whine" to the refs anymore than any Captain in the league. He is hyped because he has been one of the greatest players in this modern era. I'm no Penguins fan, but I know what I see when I watch him play. Hate can dictate perception.

I think Marchand just can't help himself. He had over a 100 points this season, he is an elite player, but that's not what he will be remembered for. It will be the slew foots, cheap shots, and especially licking the faces of Komorov and Callahan.

And yes Bergeron is an amazing, classy player.


Marchand didn't have a penalty in the playoffs till the Columbus series, then he just turned back into Mr Hyde...

And yes I'm a Bruin's fan and hate Marchand. wink

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Originally Posted by LB4LB
The Bruins are absolutely "locking it down" in their own end. If any shots did get thru to Rask, there were no secondary rebound shots. The Canes have their work cut out for them.

The McAvoy hit sure looked nasty.Even if it wasn't intentional, he sure made contact with the head. Should have been a 5 minute match major, but after the VGK debacle I think the refs were hesitant to call one. Didn't matter in the end. At he hand shake at the end, MacAvoy looked to apologize to Anderson, and Anderson seemed to be okay with it. I bet there is a one game suspension though.



I was shocked he wasn't tossed, no way that wasn't on purpose. If you want to stop the knocking of players out of the sport like the NFL is trying to do, then you need to heavily penalize players who continue to target up high. He didn't try for the body at all, should have at least been a 5 min major at the least. The NHL is never consistent which is what makes it so frustrating to watch.

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Originally Posted by WangoTango
Sorry, Crosby doesn't "whine" to the refs anymore than any Captain in the league. He is hyped because he has been one of the greatest players in this modern era. I'm no Penguins fan, but I know what I see when I watch him play. Hate can dictate perception.

I think Marchand just can't help himself. He had over a 100 points this season, he is an elite player, but that's not what he will be remembered for. It will be the slew foots, cheap shots, and especially licking the faces of Komorov and Callahan.

And yes Bergeron is an amazing, classy player.


Marchand didn't have a penalty in the playoffs till the Columbus series, then he just turned back into Mr Hyde...

And yes I'm a Bruin's fan and hate Marchand. wink

He didn't have any penalties called. There was a blant crosscheck to the back of Matthews at the end of the 2nd period, game 7. The same scrum Chara was allowed to sucker punch Tavares. It really pissed me off how soft this Leafs team is. They had no answer for that, and the refs were turning the other way.



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Originally Posted by WangoTango
Not sure exactly what you mean KK, but this may hold the answer.
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That helps, thanks WT.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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No, the guy isn't a jerk.



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Apparently this is why Marchand was mad with Kyle Babushkas .



And if you are not aware, this is why Babushkas joked about Marchand needing his skates sharpened.



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Okay, makes a little bit more sense now.


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Okay, makes a little bit more sense now.


It all starts with Marchand's unsportsmanlike play. Stomping on a players stick blade. I've never seen an NHL player do that before.

He did keep the act going though with other media.


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Congrats to the St. Louis Blues. That was a heavy weight 12 round fight of a series.

One of the CBC intermission studio hosts called Marchand "a spoiled brat" tonight. Thought that was hilarious. Hey, television loves to have a villain. He is creating a lot of buzz.


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Glad to see St Louis win, they earned it, 52 shots to 30. Bishop stood on his head.


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Originally Posted by LB4LB

One of the CBC intermission studio hosts called Marchand "a spoiled brat" tonight. Thought that was hilarious. Hey, television loves to have a villain. He is creating a lot of buzz.


That was Kelly Hrudey, the ex goalie.


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Saw this on Twitter. Haha.


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That's hysterical. Should be a great series. I wonder if the Canes will be flat from the long delay.


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I hope not. I'm all in board with Carolina.


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I'm rooting for Rod Brind'amour. Great hockey player, but mostly because he played for the MSU Spartans ! LOL.

A St. Louis vs. Carolina series would be cool. I know the NHL, NBC, and Bettman wouldn't like it very much, But who cares.


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My stance has become anyone but Marchand.
Unfortunately Boston looks tough to beat.


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Originally Posted by WangoTango
My stance has become anyone but Marchand.
Unfortunately Boston looks tough to beat.


they didn't look good in the 2nd and the Canes did, they were flying. Then in the 3rd Boston got some marginal calls on Hamilton and made both PP hurt.

going to be a good series

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I really hate to see the outcome of any game be affected by the referee's. I would say the first Hamilton penalty was marginal, the second was just bad. Ticky - tac at best. It had a major influence on the outcome. Both teams were playing well, and momentum was changing back and forth like any good game. Then those calls came, and the game was decided.

I know it sounds like I am blaming the loss on the refs, but the game could have gone either way if that crew had not made those calls.

I hope the series will be decided by the better team. Nothing else.

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I had the TV on in a different room listening to SJ/STL and from what I heard the hand pass not being called and non reviewable was a joke....

Hopefully the Bruin's can sweep the Canes tonight and rest up.

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St. Louis better change goalies if the what to have a shred of hope of winning this series. San Jose doesn't belong in the final. They have been a lucky team the whole way.

That being said, Boston will sweep either team. I have always liked any original six team, so I will have to just let my dislike of Marchant go. I cannot root for California hockey. biggrin


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Tuuka looked so strong last night, it was crazy how well he played

#4474599 - 05/18/19 06:45 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: Top Gun]  
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Originally Posted by Top Gun
Tuuka looked so strong last night, it was crazy how well he played

He only started 45 games this year. It looks like The Bruins were wise to get Halak as very competent backup. The Bruins did not over work Rask the past season. Now it is paying off.
I've kind of lost interest in the playoffs, I've discovered pole vaulting to be a great spectator sport.





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#4474624 - 05/18/19 10:28 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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The playoffs seem a little boring this year (except the first round). Iv'e been watching a little of the IIHF tournament. It's cool to see some different teams in there (Italy, Great Britain, France. etc.) I may just have to get me an Italy jersey. Of course, there are lots of first round blowouts.

This is the time of year I start preparing for hockey "withdrawal". biggrin

Maybe some wholesome women's pole vaulting will help. Thank's for idea WT. cheers

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#4474625 - 05/18/19 11:08 PM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Glad to help. biggrin


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#4474635 - Yesterday at 01:11 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Pretty good vaulters there...
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#4474652 - Yesterday at 04:02 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
Pretty good vaulters there...
partything

Very good form.


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#4474653 - Yesterday at 04:15 AM Re: NHL Playoffs [Re: WangoTango]  
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Don't let the wife catch you all with the vaulter using your pole. neaner


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