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#4470813 - 04/17/19 04:34 AM 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo  
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Andrea Norton, 20, was on a trip for her environmental science major when she fell to her death

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#4470815 - 04/17/19 05:41 AM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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so, did she get the shot ?

#4470826 - 04/17/19 10:13 AM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
so, did she get the shot ?


Wow.

Her family thanks you for your concern.


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#4470829 - 04/17/19 10:28 AM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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#4470836 - 04/17/19 12:32 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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Selfie deaths are on the increase every year and I don't expect that trend to change. Can't fix stupid.

#4470837 - 04/17/19 12:35 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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I just can't wrap my head around someone thinking that getting the perfect selfie photo is worth risking your life.

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#4470842 - 04/17/19 12:51 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted by Chucky
Selfie deaths are on the increase every year and I don't expect that trend to change. Can't fix stupid.



True, but could a generation raised with little consequence for their actions play a part?

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I just can't wrap my head around someone thinking that getting the perfect selfie photo is worth risking your life.


I wonder if she even considered that was a possible consequence.


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#4470844 - 04/17/19 12:55 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: DBond]  
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Originally Posted by DBond

I wonder if she even considered that was a possible consequence.




Surely a 20 year old college student would be smart enough to realize that?


Actually...never mind.


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#4470849 - 04/17/19 01:04 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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This is a sad thing, and by discussing it dispassionately I don't mean to downplay the tragedy.

I don't think it's a matter of 'smarts', but of a mindset that is insulated from danger, as her life may have been up to then. It's all speculation, but I base it on what I see, what I observe in young folks. We did stupid things when we were younger, and I am sure people of my parent's age thought WE were fools too. There have been times when I have known I was lucky to still be alive. Maybe it just takes experience? Sadly, some do not make it that far.


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#4470852 - 04/17/19 01:08 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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In the case above she wasn't taking a selfie but was standing near the edge in a group of students - either way, the all too often tragic conclusion


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#4470862 - 04/17/19 01:35 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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The area is within my local news range. A followup report said that she was attempting to jump from one rock to another. So it's probably a lot closer to things that we've all done. She just missed. Which we all could have done.


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#4470868 - 04/17/19 02:21 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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The only reason my generation didn't kill themselves taking selfies is because we lacked the technology to make the process viable.


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#4470869 - 04/17/19 02:25 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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Originally Posted by Haggart
In the case above she wasn't taking a selfie but was standing near the edge in a group of students - either way, the all too often tragic conclusion



Ok, correction noted. However, those students shouldn't have been that far out on the ledge in the first place. You leave very little margin for error when you go out that far.

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#4470871 - 04/17/19 02:34 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
The only reason my generation didn't kill themselves taking selfies is because we lacked the technology to make the process viable.


Yeah, every generation of teenagers and twenty-somethings (and older) does a lot of stupid things. It’s a shame when someone doesn’t survive it to learn better like everyone here did.


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#4470873 - 04/17/19 02:48 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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The difference is that what would have been a very local story back then is now worldwide news.

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Perhaps a sign is needed ?

DANGER ! STAY 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE EDGE OF CLIFFS OR OVERLOOK - IF YOU DON'T AND YOU SLIP OR TRIP THERE IS A 95% CHANCE THAT TODAY WILL BE YOUR LAST !


Because signs always stopped young people from performing dangerous things.

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There was an abandoned quarry near where I went to High School that had a sign that said "No jumping from sides of the quarry into the water!"

We took it as an invitation.

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#4470877 - 04/17/19 03:18 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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LOL Dart we had a place like that when I was a kid,,an old collapsed bridge with some cement and re-bar under water,,Similar sign and we reacted the same but some one always called the Police and we catch h**l A few days later we were back at it again For us it was just a question of knowing where to aim when you jumped


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#4470878 - 04/17/19 03:21 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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I went to high school with a kid who became paralyzed from jumping into the water from the side of a quarry. There were signs everywhere to stay out.

The death by selfie "thing" just seems to touch a nerve on the thinking that all this self absorption we see today is a really bad thing.


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#4470901 - 04/17/19 06:34 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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Originally Posted by Haggart
Perhaps a sign is needed ?

DANGER ! STAY 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE EDGE OF CLIFFS OR OVERLOOK - IF YOU DON'T AND YOU SLIP OR TRIP THERE IS A 95% CHANCE THAT TODAY WILL BE YOUR LAST !


Nope, this tower at Fordham College was locked so kids wouldn't go up to take pictures, it didn't stop this girl who fell to her death...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fordha...tower-apparently-trying-to-snap-picture/


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#4470914 - 04/17/19 07:50 PM Re: 20 Yr Old University Student Gets Too Close To Cliff Edge While Taking Her Photo [Re: Haggart]  
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No disrespect to Haggart intended, but signs won't work, for reasons already illustrated. I imagine that some folks take heed, and others choose to ignore. Wasn't it last year that a woman was killed by jetwash in the Caribbean while hanging on to a fence with a sign hung on it saying don't do this?


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It was two years ago and the sign wasn't hung on the fence. But it wouldn't have matter where it was displayed.

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Originally Posted by DBond
It was two years ago and the sign wasn't hung on the fence. But it wouldn't have matter where it was displayed.

Of course the sign wasn't on the fence. That would have taken up valuable handhold space which keeps the tourists coming back.


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Originally Posted by DBond
No disrespect to Haggart intended, but signs won't work, for reasons already illustrated. I imagine that some folks take heed, and others choose to ignore.


I actually work in a tourist attraction, i can confirm that the general public take absolutely no notice of signs, that's why if company's want to block and area off, its with physical barriers that give you no option and not just a sign.


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Originally Posted by Dart
The only reason my generation didn't kill themselves taking selfies is because we lacked the technology to make the process viable.

Yes. I think our generation ( I'm 51) was more reality based, if that makes sense.

We did have a kid jump out of a tree, into a swimming hole we had. He broke his neck hitting bottom, and died immediately. To make the story worse, the swimming hole was at the bottom of a very steep hill. One of the Ambulance attendants died of a heart attack during the rescue attempt. Sad day for out small community.


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That is sad WT.

Am almost a gen ahead of you WT and of the 5-600 kids I grew up with can't remember any fatalities from doing something stupid. We did some really stupid stuff. An example tho rather tame; tip a canoe deliberately in the middle of Mooney's Bay (almost 200 m to ether shore) and not wearing a life jacket (very early teens).


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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
That is sad WT.

Am almost a gen ahead of you WT and of the 5-600 kids I grew up with can't remember any fatalities from doing something stupid. We did some really stupid stuff. An example tho rather tame; tip a canoe deliberately in the middle of Mooney's Bay (almost 200 m to ether shore) and not wearing a life jacket (very early teens).

Wow, that is crazy. 200 meters. I grew upon on Military bases, so our community size was very similar to yours.

My kids have had to deal with classmate suicides. It is so sad. 2 recent ones, both were only 14 yrs old.


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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
so, did she get the shot ?



Wow. Way too soon to even think that one man. Everything she knew thought felt or could know or do is gone forever. bad enough it happens at 80.


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Did a lot of stupid things in my teens but by 20 I was already working 80 to 100 hours a week. You work that many hours you tend to be too tired to do just about anything.
I do feel bad for her parents and the loss they are feeling at this time. You never expect for a child to pass away before you.


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