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#4437308 - 09/05/18 12:26 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: No105_Archie]  
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Originally Posted by No105_Archie
as a side note: this sort of thing is why us British Commonwealth types were so upset about U-571



The U-571 case had a different intent though. The main protagonists were changed from British to American strictly for financial reasons. This was a big US theatrical release so the studio was strictly thinking along the lines of maximum financial return and profit.


This Armstrong movie had factual changes made for political/ideological reasons.


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#4437373 - 09/05/18 07:13 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: semmern]  
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Originally Posted by semmern
I was excited about this movie. From the trailer it looks like it has all the great moments of X-15 suborbital flights, the lunar landing trainer ejection, Gemini 8 tumble, and of course the landing. But then, WHY do they have to act like revisionists and not include such a moment as the planting of the flag? That day the US flag represented the whole of mankind. The US spent all the dollars, manpower and even lives that won the Moon race in the end, so why shouldn’t they plant the flag?

There is a movie being made about the race to the South Pole in 1911. Maybe they should omit Amundsen and the other Norwegians planting the Norwegian flag? I despise the sort of revisionism for the sake of revisionism that is found in movies today, and not just in movies portraying historical events. Star Wars: The Last Jedi was just as bad in taking an entire beloved movie universe and pooping on it, for the sake of satisfying some director’s and producer’s agenda.


That was my point when I had this link in one of my earlier posts. Scroll through that and tell me what is quite prominent.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...rst+to+South+Pole+pictures&FORM=IGRE


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#4437573 - 09/06/18 10:18 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard

That was my point when I had this link in one of my earlier posts. Scroll through that and tell me what is quite prominent.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...rst+to+South+Pole+pictures&FORM=IGRE


I missed that the first time around. I absolutely HATE the fact that anyone remotely proud of his or her country is immediately labelled a right-wing nut.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4437575 - 09/06/18 10:29 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
It has now come to my attention that they left the US flag off the spacesuits as well. That is an intentional slight.

Explain that away.



Whoa, source?

That can't be true. And if so, a huge campaign to boycott the film should be started right away.


Edit: Not so sure...

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#4437576 - 09/06/18 10:43 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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I already posted this.


“It was in the comments in the link Tom_Weiss posted. I hope it’s not true.

Looks like that was a manipulated piece of information by someone photoshopping . I’m sorry that they hooked me with that.

Last edited by oldgrognard; 04/09/18 05:30 PM.”


Somebody photoshopped out the flags and posted in the Tom_Weiss link comments. They made a false claim using that fake photoshop.



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#4437588 - 09/07/18 12:11 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Still not going to watch the film. If they want to change history, they can do it with someone else's funding. But the war has only begun, and the winner hasn't been decided. History tells us the winners write the history books. Are we going to lay down and let this nonsense win?

#4437647 - 09/07/18 12:01 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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The U-571 case had a different intent though. The main protagonists were changed from British to American strictly for financial reasons. This was a big US theatrical release so the studio was strictly thinking along the lines of maximum financial return and profit.


This Armstrong movie had factual changes made for political/ideological reasons.


The intent of EVERY Hollywood movie is to make as much money as possible. Deliberate changes to history are abhorrent period. A Brit might say that the US film maker changed the U-571 story to diminish the British role in WW2 for ideological reasons. Not the case I'm sure ....and I agree it was done to make money. The flag scene was most likely cut out so as "not to offend" and therefore make more money .......end result.......incorrect portrayal of a historical event to make more money.


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#4437654 - 09/07/18 01:38 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Not sure how alienating half your audience is a good way to make more money...

#4437659 - 09/07/18 02:36 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Not sure how alienating half your audience is a good way to make more money...



They're counting on consumer ignorance/acquiescence. A shockingly sizable segment of the US population who will actually go see the movie will enter the theater with little to zero knowledge who Neil Armstrong was, what the Apollo program was or what nation created it.


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#4437660 - 09/07/18 02:40 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Not sure how alienating half your audience is a good way to make more money...



They're counting on consumer ignorance/acquiescence. A shockingly sizable segment of the US population who will actually go see the movie will enter the theater with little to zero knowledge who Neil Armstrong was, what the Apollo program was or what nation created it.



Bingo. And a shockingly large segment of the population accepts at face value how historical events are portrayed in movies.


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#4437662 - 09/07/18 03:20 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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So true PM. One only has to listen to the comments people make while walking out of the theatre after the movie.


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#4437663 - 09/07/18 03:24 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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How much of getting facts wrong is intentional or ignorance? For some of those folks out Hollywood way, I don't think they know enough about history to begin with.

#4437664 - 09/07/18 03:25 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Not sure how alienating half your audience is a good way to make more money...



They're counting on consumer ignorance/acquiescence. A shockingly sizable segment of the US population who will actually go see the movie will enter the theater with little to zero knowledge who Neil Armstrong was, what the Apollo program was or what nation created it.



Bingo. And a shockingly large segment of the population accepts at face value how historical events are portrayed in movies.


That's how I know U-571, apart from being a most excellent movie, was also completely true and factual.
Now if you'll excuse me i'm going to hide in secure bunker in an undisclosed location.

#4437670 - 09/07/18 03:51 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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There’s a line from U-571 that cracks me up every time I think about it. When the USN personnel seize the U-boat and are hurrying to submerge before the German destroyer arrives, Harvey Keitel’s character shouts “the controls are all in German!!”


Yeah, well no shi* Sherlock!


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#4443387 - 10/12/18 04:04 AM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Just came out of the theater. Well...that was interesting!

Main problems I found with the movie boils down to:

Extreme close up = emotion!
Shaky cam = realism!
Long awkward pauses = introspective....and please consider us for an Oscar

Seriously though, don't watch this movie in IMAX...I got motion sickness from the extreme closeups (close enough to see the actor's pores) with shaky cam.

The shaky cam becomes ridiculous in the flight/action scenes. I've flown in a 900lb LSA through turbulence and have been on an airliner where the turbulence threw the plane so bad a stewardess broke her ankle...but this is something else. I feel like I'm taking part in an exorcism!

The movie itself was okay; the ending partially (spoiler: they land on the moon) partially makes up for the slow pacing in the beginning. Suppressing your urge to walk out in the first 30 minutes will yield rewards...kind of. Without giving anything away, I just felt that the movie lacks a heart: The excitement of the space race, the camaraderie between the astronauts, the teamwork that going to the moon was this monumental undertaking....just isn't there.

With this I feel like that The Right Stuff, Apollo 13, and the series From the Earth to the Moon were superior in every way. In the last one, when Apollo 1 happened, you mourned Grissom, White, and Chaffee with the rest of the cast. Here you really only get to know Ed White, and there just isn't any sentiment beyond "well, that sucks!" and "this is dangerous!"

PS: On the subject of flags, Old Glory is literally plastered everywhere. There is a scene of a kid literally hoisting up the Stars and Stripes on a flagpole on his porch...which made me chuckle after reading this thread. Leaving out planting the flag on the moon doesn't feel out of place. That and neither does leaving out a scene where Eagle's exhaust blows the flag down when she leaves. There is also a brief shot on the moon with the flag already planted.

#4443619 - 10/13/18 06:51 PM Re: Speaking of Neil Armstrong...First Man trailer [Re: radicaldude1234]  
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Originally Posted by radicaldude1234


With this I feel like that The Right Stuff, Apollo 13, and the series From the Earth to the Moon were superior in every way. In the last one, when Apollo 1 happened, you mourned Grissom, White, and Chaffee with the rest of the cast. Here you really only get to know Ed White, and there just isn't any sentiment beyond "well, that sucks!" and "this is dangerous!"


This is an issue I have foreseen when I go see this movie. I will compare everything to FTETTM and Apollo 13, which stand as shining beacons of moviemaking based on true events. Like you say, the Apollo 1 episode of From The Earth.. gets me every time. It is a superb example of how to induce emotions in the viewer without containing a single gung-ho, guns-blazing sort of moment, just superb, understated acting. David Andrews really was Frank Borman in that series.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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Originally Posted by semmern
Originally Posted by radicaldude1234


With this I feel like that The Right Stuff, Apollo 13, and the series From the Earth to the Moon were superior in every way. In the last one, when Apollo 1 happened, you mourned Grissom, White, and Chaffee with the rest of the cast. Here you really only get to know Ed White, and there just isn't any sentiment beyond "well, that sucks!" and "this is dangerous!"


This is an issue I have foreseen when I go see this movie. I will compare everything to FTETTM and Apollo 13, which stand as shining beacons of moviemaking based on true events. Like you say, the Apollo 1 episode of From The Earth.. gets me every time. It is a superb example of how to induce emotions in the viewer without containing a single gung-ho, guns-blazing sort of moment, just superb, understated acting. David Andrews really was Frank Borman in that series.



Yea, I think a lot of people will be going in with that same kind of expectation. But this isn't really a movie about the adventure of space travel - it is a biopic of Armstrong. He was not the sort of person to wear his emotions on his sleeve. The movie depicts that quite accurately. I think it is a very good biopic. If I wanted to learn more about the space race or the technical challenges of putting a man on the moon I'd watch the other movies listed here.


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So I watched First Man on Saturday... or tried to. Only made it about an hour in before I started skipping to the highlights, Gemini IV and the Moon landing. I don’t quite know how it’s possible to take such interesting subject matter, both when it comes to Neil Armstrong and the space race, and turn it into such a dull and uninteresting movie. Armstrong was an accomplished test pilot and became a great astronaut. He was quiet and reserved, but he was still portrayed almost as if he was just letting events control him, rather than the other way around. As a pilot this bugs me, as that manner of conduct simply doesn’t cut it in aviation, and especially not in test piloting and spaceflight.

The «action» scenes were okay, but other movies and series have done them much better. I never got any sort of feeling of involvement in Armstrong’s life or the events portrayed, and nothing about the characters evoked any interest. It was just a bland movie, for lack of a better way to describe it. If I was introducing someone I know to the space race and Moon landings, this movie would I am sure bore that person half to death. Oh well, FTETTM, The Right Stuff and Apollo 13 it is going forward as well, I guess.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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