Disclaimer: Yes, I know the BMS version is awesome and I should “upgrade” to playing that instead of Allied Force. However, I do not have “years of married-life” available to commit myself to learning this sim all over again. All I want to do right now is just fire it up and play for an hour or two on weekends…go ahead and flame me…I can take it…I’m married remember! 😉
That said, I have had great success so far in installing F4AF and getting it to run on my laptop:
ASUS ROG G752VT Nvidia 970M (driver version 418.91) Samsung 960Pro NVM SSD AOC 24” 144Hz-GSync Monitor CH Products Fightersitck, Throttle & Pedals Windows 10 Home
If anyone is interested, here are the steps I took to get it to work (the old posts in this forum were the key to working out the graphics->hat tip to “Comet”):
1. Copied original Falcon4AF disk’s contents and saved to laptop's hard drive 2. Install Falcon4AF 3. Update to last official Lead Pursuit patch 1.0.13 4. Install Aeyes F4AF widescreen cockpits (www.cockpits.nl) 4a. F16AM v1.1 4b. F16CG v1.1 4c. F16CJ v1.4 4d. Run updater again and patch to F16CJ v1.5 5. Install Aeyes 1680 wide splash screen (www.cockpits.nl) 6. Install HiTitles (www.hitiles.com) 7. Add/Create BFops.cfg file with “set g_bForceSoftwareGUI 1“ 7a. Save a copy of VERSION.CFG file 7b. Rename file to BFops.cfg 7c. Save file in FalconAF.exe root drive (prevents display issues with Mission Ordnance and Tactical Reference screens) From <http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3830127/allied-force-debriefing-screen-problem> 8. (Optional) Replace game menu music -> see "Comet" posted comments below 8.a Copy Music files with original Falcon 4.0 install folder 8.b Edit SOUNDRC.IRC file (notepad works fine to do this) 9. (Optional) Replace Korea Campaign videos -> see "MarkG" posted comments below 9.a Copy Movie files from original Falcon 4.0 install folder 9.b Rename OF.AVI, OR.AVI and OT.AVI to IF.AVI, RF.AVI and TS.AVI respectively 10. Edit the game shortcut and check the box to "Disable fullscreen optimizations" -> this will allow you to print the debriefing screen to your local printer (Windows 10 Home) 11. (GeForce video cards) In the Nvidia Control Panel 11a. Set the Anisotropic Filtering to “16x” 11b. Set the Antialiasing-FXAA to “Off” (enabling this will blur the main menu screens) 11c. Set the Antialiasing-Mode to “Override application settings” 11d. Set the Antialiasing-Setting to “8x”
With all that done, I’m getting a smooth 200 FPS with zero jagged edges…so far, no CTD or BSD issues with playing Instant Action and I was able to do my first full on “ramp start and takeoff” this past weekend. That of itself was a major accomplishment for me.
On a side note, I did try the Skunkworks 1.2 mod but couldn’t really tell if it was worth it or not. I can’t find the 2.0 version anywhere online. In addition, I haven’t been able to find any of the additional F4AF theaters that were known to work. I did find some older versions of the Israeli, Desert Storm and Panama theaters from the www.pmctactical.org website, but thought it best not to try them for now as I don’t have the time to do all out reinstall.
Questions: 1. Any thoughts from the “old folks” on using the old 1.2 Skunkworks mod or if anyone has the 2.0 version laying around somewhere…? 2. Any other old Allied Force files/mods that are worth having or passing along? The old file links are now all dead.
Maybe this helps those weekend warriors like me who just want a few “simplified” flight hours in their logbooks! Check Six!!!
Last edited by Slick; 03/03/1903:27 PM.
"Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
AF rocks. While I think BMS is better all things considered, AF is still the best version of Falcon for campaign players in my opinion.
Not only do you have more control, and better feedback as to the state of affairs, the three X three, dual theater setup is fantastic, and frankly I miss it. Being able to choose from essentially three levels of challenge based purely on Blue and Red OOBs is great.
It would be difficult for someone to argue that BMS doesn't have the superior jet. But equally, it would be hard to argue that BMS has better campaigns.
As to the mod questions... I've never modded my installs, aside from the fact that versions like BMS, Red Viper, OF et all are indeed mods in themselves, I've never bothered to mess with it. Maybe some cockpits years ago but that's it. So I am not much help with those questions.
No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
Personally, I loved AF. I had not tried to get it to work on a newer machine, but I think it is all still there on an older XP setup that I had borrowed a few parts out of. It will be a while before I will have the chance to play that old box, but if you had not found anyone else by then, Maybe i may find some of what you are looking for.
@WharfRat: Any and all help is greatly appreciated and I'll even give you a dust mask and gloves to handle that old machine of yours!
@DBond: Thanks for the feedback! Nice to know the single player sentiment of AF is still out there.
@schnidrman: Your reply was warmly received…
This is why my real life sucks...after all my hard work this past weekend to get it installed, I have warehouse inventory duty the next two weeks...no foreseeable AF seat time until mid-March.
"Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
Isn't it AF that allows you to direct wingman or section to target a specific runway when on OCA? Very nice feature for us singeplayer dudes. Only wish they'd redirect AI to use Durandal to "saw off" the runway sections with a burst across it over the drop-one-each-700ft-apart that we've done in Falcon since Rommel left north africa. As I came to understand lately that's how Durandal style bombs are to be deployed.
All I've ever added to my F4:AF is Hi-Tiles (Tom's payware seasonal terrain). Love the variety but the wintery look most of all.
There was an improved 3D for AF I think (Superpit?), or was that for SP3?
One thing I remember about playing F4:AF on my old 1280x1024 LCD (which I still use) is that the 2D pit had some minor anomalies (or was that 1024x768 on my CRT)?
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So, what ever happened to Aeyes(?) and his competitor Dr. Pit? Or was it Dr. Stop? Whichever, I liked them both, the well-worn look of Aeyes and the showroom-fresh look of the other guy's pit.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
Crap, NyQuil posting sucks...you already have what I listed and much more. I need to look into this.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
Hello Slick, I was a big fan of F4:AF, then life happened, but Falcon never left my heart -- I'm looking forward to read your exploits!
Earlier in the thread you listed your setup along with the modifications you've made to your install... ... may I humbly suggest the use of the old F4's music instead of the (somewhat uninspired) F4:AF's music?
I got the package to do just that. Let me know if you're interested and I'll upload it somewhere.
My general mood is very susceptible to whatever playlist I'm currently listening to. The above is my flight sim playlist, gets my mindset into all things flight sims (a bit too modern though, missing those excellent Jane's WWII Fighters Big Band tracks).
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
... may I humbly suggest the use of the old F4's music instead of the (somewhat uninspired) F4:AF's music?
I got the package to do just that. Let me know if you're interested and I'll upload it somewhere.
Thanks Comet! I do have replacing the music on the to-do list. I actually have an install of the original Microprose Falcon 4.0 that I can access and pull the music from. What did you prefer to change...just the main menu music or more?
Is it just a basic copy->paste kind of thing?
Last edited by Slick; 03/01/1904:28 PM.
"Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
IIRC, the original videos are a direct copy replacement for the Korean theater.
EDIT: You may have to rename them to the AF names (don't remember), but they trigger properly for each campaign.
Last edited by MarkG; 03/01/1904:03 PM.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
The campaign videos might be more trouble than I remember. Looking over my F4:AF Support Archive, I copied this from somewhere (probably Frugal's), it might help...
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To get the "progress movies" and victory/defest movies working in the campaign:
Copy movies off the original Falcon 4.0 CD (the one released back in 1998), and put them in the "movies" directory and the "movies/korea" directories. You should get video clips when successful, and dire news resports (via 'news video') when the DPRK are rolling across the DMZ.
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There are 17 different movies for Falcon 4.0 which are supposed to be working. My guess is that F4Af was not shipped with these film components dur to the space requirements on the CD. IN any case, you can get these movies off the original Falcon 4.0 CD that was realeased in 1998, and put them in your movie file (I put it in 3 plac3es to be sure, MOVIES, COMMON and KOREA2005). Im sure only one of these was necessary but I put it in all 3 because I did not want to guess where they really needed to go.
If you cannot obtain these movies and want to make your own, I think you could do it. These are *.AVI movies at 320X240 (yes, small) in a 4:3 aspect ratio. In order for the movies to make sense, you need to know what each one is called and the "event" that triggers it. So here in the rundown:
FILENAME RELEVANT EVENT
E1A.AVI The DPRK is now launching an all out attack on Seoul E1B.AVI The DPRK has taken Seoul E2B.AVI Pyongyang falls to combined forces (but war not over yet) E3.AVI DPRK retreats from South of teh DMZ / heavy resistance E4.AVI The US retreats from North of the DMZ / heavy resisistance E5.AVI Fresh troops, materials/reinforcements arrrive. Major offensive planned against DPRK E6.AVI Combined Forces Campaign is unraveling/early setbacks E8.AVI CHINA ENTERS THE WAR against the US E9.AVI RUSSIAN ENTERS WAR against US Intro.AVI INtro for teh whole game OF.AVI Intro for Iron Fortress OR.AVI Intro for Rolling Fire OT.AVI Intro for Tiger Spirit XL.AVI DEFEAT. US PULLS OUT. XS.AVI GRINDING, BOODY STALEMATE XT.AVI UN brokers Cease Fire, pyhrric victory, like a stalemate XW.AVI COALITION VICTORY / CAMPAIGN WON
Most of tehse now work. For whatever reason, I still get teh Lead Pursuit INtro videos to teh campaigns rather than the originals (the originals had lots of video and narration). However, all teh campaign-specific event movies do work. These range from 6-24 MB in size each, and run for 12-30 seconds each or thereabouts. Now I cant wiat to see custom movies. That said, I doubt anything will be as polished as teh originals. I heard 3rd hand that Lead Pursuit may not have had teh space on teh CD to ship the movies, but hopefully someon can host them. This is not hacking the exe or the game, this is adding back movies which belong in the campaign and give it life.
ps. I figured out why the Intro movies for Iron Fortress, Rolling Fire, and Toger SPirit didnt run. These files are renamed IF.AVI, RF.AVI, and TS.AVI in Falcon4 AF. I just reneamed the original files to these and I got the original movies back. Its really cool. You get a lot more.
Falcon 4 Allied Force is really great, but these movies just make it better and the intros are better than the 10 second clips provided with F4AF.
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The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
Wow, I apparently had also purchased the Aeyes' Superpit for AF!
I remember now! I wanted to purchase something from Aeyes for being such a cool guy and backing off an issue he had with some Jane's USAF Superpro cockpit graphics or something. Oh man, when I get back from vacation I'm going to get my full AF installed again, maybe even take my X-52 out of storage (been using a simple Wingman Extreme, all I've needed).
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
Well, BMS isn't even an option for me as my main/gaming PC specs are:
2.66GHz 2GB RAM Radeon X1300 Windows XP (finally upgraded from my favorite Win2000 but only to SP2, SP3 won't work with my production software).
I have several PCs in storage just like it, in case this one dies in my lifetime (doubtful).
I'll just keep replacing cheap toy laptops with Linux for going online. My cheap Andriod tablet just died, my Kindle Touch is dead. Crap today is disposable junk, seems that only my old stuff can go the distance (still using Colorado tape backup with my DOS6.22 PC).
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
... may I humbly suggest the use of the old F4's music instead of the (somewhat uninspired) F4:AF's music?
I got the package to do just that. Let me know if you're interested and I'll upload it somewhere.
Thanks Comet! I do have replacing the music on the to-do list. I actually have an install of the original Microprose Falcon 4.0 that I can access and pull the music from. What did you prefer to change...just the main menu music or more?
Is it just a basic copy->paste kind of thing?
Yep They're 6 files and 3 folders, arranged like this...
Weekend Update: I added steps in my list to edit the music and movie files (hat tip to Comet and MarkG)!
Also, I discovered that in Windows 10 (Home) if you check the box to "disable fullscreen optimizations" - shortcut Compatibility Tab - I was then able to print the mission briefing lists to my local printer.
Last edited by Slick; 03/03/1903:54 PM.
"Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
there is a trick to be able to fly every plane - namely by simply renaming the validac.bin file in the folder of the campaign where you want to enable this for. Just give it some random name.
However, I have encountered the problem that none of the other planes' radar works then... Anybody knows this / has a fix???
This is not hacking the exe or the game, this is adding back movies which belong in the campaign and give it life.
And if it was, do you think I'd care? Worry about the one thing that brought Falcon 4 into a playable state for me first time in ~2005, seven years after I bought it and was never able to play the campaign for more than 1 mission, because it would CTD in the second? The singular thing that is the reasons why people are even still talking about F4 today? Am I supposed to care about that now, because someone, after all these years, went to a lawyer and claimed something belongs to him even though it doesn't?
Nope, don't care.
Nothing against you btw., just my thoughts on that part. And thanks for the heads-up on the videos. Very pertinent to me as I'm flying F4AF again myself right now. Has the best AI of all in my opinion.
Fun note: Just yesterday jumped into stock F4 with patch 1.08 again, and yep, CTD on the second campaign mission. Was a great mission though. Low altitude BDA of an enemy AD site located at Miram Airbase (sp?), met up with the Strikers from a different squadron, fought our way in against MiG-29s (me and my wingman played escort for the strikers in lieu of a dedicated one), then went low alt over the target when getting low on fuel and with the whole thing ending up in a huge air battle, couldn't see any damage though, not sure if the Strikers ever hit anything, then went out full AB at low alt with GMT engaged to avoid troop concentrations, with MiGs pursuing, and just when I got clear and regained altitude over friendly territory to save fuel on my way home, CTD.
Hello Slick, I was a big fan of F4:AF, then life happened, but Falcon never left my heart -- I'm looking forward to read your exploits!
Earlier in the thread you listed your setup along with the modifications you've made to your install... ... may I humbly suggest the use of the old F4's music instead of the (somewhat uninspired) F4:AF's music?
I got the package to do just that. Let me know if you're interested and I'll upload it somewhere.
Ciao ciao
Uninspired it might have been, but when Trent Reznor's publishers wanted to charge $50,000 for a single track's use in AF, it was time to break out the guitars and Cubase
Disclaimer: Yes, I know the BMS version is awesome and I should “upgrade” to playing that instead of Allied Force. However, I do not have “years of married-life” available to commit myself to learning this sim all over again. All I want to do right now is just fire it up and play for an hour or two on weekends…go ahead and flame me…I can take it…I’m married remember! 😉
That said, I have had great success so far in installing F4AF and getting it to run on my laptop:
ASUS ROG G752VT Nvidia 970M (driver version 418.91) Samsung 960Pro NVM SSD AOC 24” 144Hz-GSync Monitor CH Products Fightersitck, Throttle & Pedals Windows 10 Home
If anyone is interested, here are the steps I took to get it to work (the old posts in this forum were the key to working out the graphics->hat tip to “Comet”):
1. Copied original Falcon4AF disk’s contents and saved to laptop's hard drive 2. Install Falcon4AF 3. Update to last official Lead Pursuit patch 1.0.13 4. Install Aeyes F4AF widescreen cockpits (www.cockpits.nl) 4a. F16AM v1.1 4b. F16CG v1.1 4c. F16CJ v1.4 4d. Run updater again and patch to F16CJ v1.5 5. Install Aeyes 1680 wide splash screen (www.cockpits.nl) 6. Install HiTitles (www.hitiles.com) 7. Add/Create BFops.cfg file with “set g_bForceSoftwareGUI 1“ 7a. Save a copy of VERSION.CFG file 7b. Rename file to BFops.cfg 7c. Save file in FalconAF.exe root drive (prevents display issues with Mission Ordnance and Tactical Reference screens) From <http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3830127/allied-force-debriefing-screen-problem> 8. (Optional) Replace game menu music -> see "Comet" posted comments below 8.a Copy Music files with original Falcon 4.0 install folder 8.b Edit SOUNDRC.IRC file (notepad works fine to do this) 9. (Optional) Replace Korea Campaign videos -> see "MarkG" posted comments below 9.a Copy Movie files from original Falcon 4.0 install folder 9.b Rename OF.AVI, OR.AVI and OT.AVI to IF.AVI, RF.AVI and TS.AVI respectively 10. Edit the game shortcut and check the box to "Disable fullscreen optimizations" -> this will allow you to print the debriefing screen to your local printer (Windows 10 Home) 11. (GeForce video cards) In the Nvidia Control Panel 11a. Set the Anisotropic Filtering to “16x” 11b. Set the Antialiasing-FXAA to “Off” (enabling this will blur the main menu screens) 11c. Set the Antialiasing-Mode to “Override application settings” 11d. Set the Antialiasing-Setting to “8x”
With all that done, I’m getting a smooth 200 FPS with zero jagged edges…so far, no CTD or BSD issues with playing Instant Action and I was able to do my first full on “ramp start and takeoff” this past weekend. That of itself was a major accomplishment for me.
On a side note, I did try the Skunkworks 1.2 mod but couldn’t really tell if it was worth it or not. I can’t find the 2.0 version anywhere online. In addition, I haven’t been able to find any of the additional F4AF theaters that were known to work. I did find some older versions of the Israeli, Desert Storm and Panama theaters from the www.pmctactical.org website, but thought it best not to try them for now as I don’t have the time to do all out reinstall.
Questions: 1. Any thoughts from the “old folks” on using the old 1.2 Skunkworks mod or if anyone has the 2.0 version laying around somewhere…? 2. Any other old Allied Force files/mods that are worth having or passing along? The old file links are now all dead.
Maybe this helps those weekend warriors like me who just want a few “simplified” flight hours in their logbooks! Check Six!!!
I must try this too soon. F4:AF was a big part of my life with LP 20 years ago and less. We were particularly proud of the stability of the product after what had been before. We had an internal automatic scenario that could run the game in full in an auto mode accelerated - to catch the CTDs. Great to see the genre continuing with BMS and their fabulous updates.
Disclaimer: Yes, I know the BMS version is awesome and I should “upgrade” to playing that instead of Allied Force. However, I do not have “years of married-life” available to commit myself to learning this sim all over again. All I want to do right now is just fire it up and play for an hour or two on weekends…go ahead and flame me…I can take it…I’m married remember! 😉
That said, I have had great success so far in installing F4AF and getting it to run on my laptop:
ASUS ROG G752VT Nvidia 970M (driver version 418.91) Samsung 960Pro NVM SSD AOC 24” 144Hz-GSync Monitor CH Products Fightersitck, Throttle & Pedals Windows 10 Home
If anyone is interested, here are the steps I took to get it to work (the old posts in this forum were the key to working out the graphics->hat tip to “Comet”):
1. Copied original Falcon4AF disk’s contents and saved to laptop's hard drive 2. Install Falcon4AF 3. Update to last official Lead Pursuit patch 1.0.13 4. Install Aeyes F4AF widescreen cockpits (www.cockpits.nl) 4a. F16AM v1.1 4b. F16CG v1.1 4c. F16CJ v1.4 4d. Run updater again and patch to F16CJ v1.5 5. Install Aeyes 1680 wide splash screen (www.cockpits.nl) 6. Install HiTitles (www.hitiles.com) 7. Add/Create BFops.cfg file with “set g_bForceSoftwareGUI 1“ 7a. Save a copy of VERSION.CFG file 7b. Rename file to BFops.cfg 7c. Save file in FalconAF.exe root drive (prevents display issues with Mission Ordnance and Tactical Reference screens) From <http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3830127/allied-force-debriefing-screen-problem> 8. (Optional) Replace game menu music -> see "Comet" posted comments below 8.a Copy Music files with original Falcon 4.0 install folder 8.b Edit SOUNDRC.IRC file (notepad works fine to do this) 9. (Optional) Replace Korea Campaign videos -> see "MarkG" posted comments below 9.a Copy Movie files from original Falcon 4.0 install folder 9.b Rename OF.AVI, OR.AVI and OT.AVI to IF.AVI, RF.AVI and TS.AVI respectively 10. Edit the game shortcut and check the box to "Disable fullscreen optimizations" -> this will allow you to print the debriefing screen to your local printer (Windows 10 Home) 11. (GeForce video cards) In the Nvidia Control Panel 11a. Set the Anisotropic Filtering to “16x” 11b. Set the Antialiasing-FXAA to “Off” (enabling this will blur the main menu screens) 11c. Set the Antialiasing-Mode to “Override application settings” 11d. Set the Antialiasing-Setting to “8x”
With all that done, I’m getting a smooth 200 FPS with zero jagged edges…so far, no CTD or BSD issues with playing Instant Action and I was able to do my first full on “ramp start and takeoff” this past weekend. That of itself was a major accomplishment for me.
On a side note, I did try the Skunkworks 1.2 mod but couldn’t really tell if it was worth it or not. I can’t find the 2.0 version anywhere online. In addition, I haven’t been able to find any of the additional F4AF theaters that were known to work. I did find some older versions of the Israeli, Desert Storm and Panama theaters from the www.pmctactical.org website, but thought it best not to try them for now as I don’t have the time to do all out reinstall.
Questions: 1. Any thoughts from the “old folks” on using the old 1.2 Skunkworks mod or if anyone has the 2.0 version laying around somewhere…? 2. Any other old Allied Force files/mods that are worth having or passing along? The old file links are now all dead.
Maybe this helps those weekend warriors like me who just want a few “simplified” flight hours in their logbooks! Check Six!!!
I must try this too soon. F4:AF was a big part of my life with LP 20 years ago and less. We were particularly proud of the stability of the product after what had been before. We had an internal automatic scenario that could run the game in full in an auto mode accelerated - to catch the CTDs. Great to see the genre continuing with BMS and their fabulous updates.
Compared with Open Falcon, F4 AF was really stable.
What was lacking was some possibility to use some switch or configuration like the real F-16 but it was not bad at all.
I'm a big fan of BMS, but of AF too. I defend it on their boards, if someone has the nerve to disparage it.
As much as I like BMS, for me AF still has the better campaigns. Some of the details change in BMS, like SAM behavior for example, which are improvements in my view. But the campaign templates in AF are still the best for me. Having the different 'eras' is great for getting the sort of challenge you want. Iron Fortress 2010 is a much different prospect than the vanilla version in AF. All that changes is the OoB, but it's great to be able to shift from one to the next, as Blue more or less stands still while Red sees their tech ramped up in a big way.
And BMS campaigns made challenge rating mean little, with force ratios unaffected. AF does it right, in my view, giving me the possibility to stack the deck against Blue, which I always liked. Ace is the way to go. There's a switch edit you can make in BMS to restore traditional challenge rating, but at default settings I prefer how AF approached it.
We had a lot of fun here at SimHQ with Allied Force, running some persistent servers and playing co-op campaigns. I'll never forget one particularly memorable attack on Banja Luka airfield that turned in to chaos at the target. Good stuff!
I've moved on to BMS, haven't played AF in many years, but that's down to the jet. BMS just provides a much better jet than AF did. I'd like to combine BMS with AFs campaigns, and that would be perfect.
No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
AF was miles ahead when it came to a POLISHED product. Simply put it did what it says on the tin and a very fairly priced software when we look at the prices of todays sims?
LP team rebuilt the whole F4 database from the ground up, and AF had its moments.
My 19yo son flies AF all the time on my old pentium and wont touch bms with a bargepole lol.
That said after flying the viper in bms i could never go back to AF.
AF was miles ahead when it came to a POLISHED product. Simply put it did what it says on the tin and a very fairly priced software when we look at the prices of todays sims?
LP team rebuilt the whole F4 database from the ground up, and AF had its moments.
My 19yo son flies AF all the time on my old pentium and wont touch bms with a bargepole lol.
That said after flying the viper in bms i could never go back to AF.
Allied Force 2 would be nice to see some day.
SAM in AF are more friendly, I have this same opinion.
In BMS some SAM are very wild dangerous beast. Complicate to fool and avoid. Even more, fuze distance in BMS is quite effective and they can kill you quite quickly.
AF are more human as well as the war ships: very simple to sink
Yeah, I think BMS has improved on everything aside the the broad strokes of the campaigns. That's not a knock on AF. AF did the same thing to the Superpak era as well.
No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
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