I have graduated in this field and know that this has been the case for decades if not longer:

So this essentially means that a very high percentage of today's Western population will be afflicted by this.

Well that explains the Zombies I see walking along with their cell phone stuck to their ear and ignoring the person they are walking with..

Thank you, my day at the office just became less boring

You might die from this, in 20...50 years, yes.

20 years is a problem. 50 years is ok with me since that means I'll live to be 96.

For all these sensationalist science stories, I usually check out what potholer54 has to say about it.

Of course, he might be wrong but at least he digs into the underlying sources that the 'news' outlets latch on to.

Years ago drugs fried kids brains now at least they aren't drugging just using a different tool

Meh... if they want something to be concerned about, they should probably consider what walking around with that 'always on' transceiver in their pockets might be doing to their reproductive systems. Rapidly dividing cells are more vulnerable to low level radiation than brain cells are.

Nevermind the fact that I smoke and drink - take those two out of the equation I'll still "worry" more about being around vehicle exhaust, air quality in general, chemicals at work, and food safety.

I ride motorcycles. I know they can kill me. I do a LOT of things that can shorten or end my life.

I call this LIVING. I don't worry about death, it's going to happen anyway. I focus on LIVING.

To TRUE, LIfe , nobody in the way.

Taking great care of body + good finances = long time in nursing home.

A perfectly good dead body forced by "virtue" and law to become a long term instrument of torture and agony.

Okay it's not always that outcome, but I've sure seen a lot of that.

I live right across the street from the nursing home I work at. I am right now listening to a woman scream repeatedly. She started doing that around 18 months ago.

I remember her before she "cracked", she was demented, but still remembered how to eat, still remembered how to say if she was cold, hungry, etc...

She was maybe 70 years old. Now she looks like an unwrapped mummy.

She convulses, twitches, screams and screams and screams. Unlike days of old you can't just "give them morphine".

Naturally she'd have been dead long ago, but law forces us to keep her alive - at way beyond the $9000 per month rent.

That was not a typo - approximately $9000 per month rent.

Reminds me of that saying "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees" - these patients don't even get the dignity of living on their knees.....

So bring on the EM via phones. Bring on the "risky life". The other pasture is not greener, it is black, and blacker than most people can imagine.

But where do you draw the line? I turned things around at age 41. At what age should I start letting myself go again?

I don't think I could ever go back to the unhealthy lifestyle I had through my 40's. At 51 I often feel like I'm 21 (not now because I'm suffering from a head cold ), not like when I felt old and used up at 40. Going from an unhealthy lifestyle and dead love life to a healthy lifestyle and constant cloud 9 bliss (not just on Friday evenings, that's only the scheduled guarantee ), there's no going back. I'll take my chances of a few final years in a nursing home.

What about EMR from high tension wires? Or from the lines that come off off them to street poles, then the lines from the street poles to homes? Any EMR issues there?

If I have my celphone on me I have it on a belt holster so I guess it's not as close to my naughty bits to affect them as much...

But there is some kind of EMR going on there. One time in the cockpit, I put my celphone right by the magnetic compass and it started spinning. But I had to be right up to it. I still fly the plane with the phone on airplane mode though.

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According to that video, I'm at a disadvantage with living in the rurals with very low signal (apparently the phone emits more to compensate).

On the other hand, my 3G flip phone hardly gets used. If I'm ever forced to upgrade to a smart phone (more temptation to play on it), I'll keep this in mind.

As with almost everything in life, there's a healthy balance that needs to be struck. I don't think anyone would seriously suggest that you live your life on the edge like some rock star from the 70's but you also shouldn't live in a closet and live in constant fear of trying new things.

It works for some lucky people...

But not for the unlucky ones. Phil is also 8 years younger than Keith.

PM, I was thinking more about this comment from Zamzow...

"Taking great care of body + good finances = long time in nursing home."

So, how do you find that "healthy balance that needs to be struck"?

It's easy to come off as gung-ho about it but I think it's necessary today (not so much in the 1960's/70's) because now we're constantly bombarded with unhealthiness, from fast food ads and convenience to forced lifestyle changes (like Disney discouraging walking vs. tram riding which happened to us on our last trip several years back, it was never a problem before and neither was the excessive mobility scooter traffic).

And if you've already let yourself go in the past, the fight is even that much harder because you've likely damaged your body in multiple ways (personal experience).

I think balance is dam near impossible these days, and I refuse to develop a politically correct acceptance mentality.

I simply don't pay too much attention to "breaking health news". You will always find a study that tells you that something that you regularly eat is a deadly poison, immoral (because, exploiting the poor), secretly disgusting (once you learn how it's made), or otherwise ruins the planet. I have seen so many diet fads come and go over the last 40 years, chances are the newest one will be gone in a few years as well. At the end of the day doctors' dietary recommendations aren't much more advanced than an old medieval saying in German,

Den Kopf halt kühl,
die Füße warm,
und bläh' nicht allzusehr den Darm

(keep your head cool, the feet warm, and don't eat too much).

I'm trying to limit my sugar intake. I pay attention to not eat something for 14...16 hours every day. I walk, ride a bike to buy my groceries, I go swimming once a week. I have maintained my weight for the last 20 years (okay, I wish I was 20 kg lighter, but I can live with where I currently am). Three months a year I don't drink any alcohol. That's it. It works for me. Don't know if it would work for you, I'm not here to proselytize.

WRT to EMR, literally thousands of studies about the subject have yielded pretty much nothing except that when it frys birds in mid-air, better keep your distance.
Other than that I can but notice that some people get all worked up about extremely abstract and, at best, very rare consequences that might manifest after decades (but probably never) without acknowledging the benefits of cellphone technology - the lives of people that could not have been rescued after accidents or in deserted locations, had it not been for mobile phones. That's a very tangible benefit that would certainly outweigh a probably non-existant threat; but even if you choose to believe in it, it'd be a highly indirect threat. Unless of course you're a tinfoil hat nutter like Saul Goodman's brother, in which case you have a psychological condition rather than radiation sickness.

We're breathing cleaner air than since the early medieval times, drinking cleaner water. We're enjoying the best medical treatment in all history of mankind, our food is well-controlled, car traffic has never been safer, air traffic and railway traffic are very safe, we have the lowest rate of terrorism-related mortality since the last 50, 60 years, and the likelihood to die in a war is close to an all-time low. The situation on our planet may not be perfect, but if you're willing to open your eyes and make historical comparisons there are very few indicators that show a worsening trend (biodiversity being one of them, but again, we have begun to recognize the issue and hopefully we'll start doing something meaningful about it).

In summary, historically speaking we're living in the safest environment ever for the average person.so I allow myself a somewhat relaxed attitude whenever a headline screams at me about the mortal danger coming from something innocuous in my household (more about it after the commercial break). If our political and business leaders and Hollyweird celebs actually start changing their lavish lifestyles I might start listening to their recommendations that we must change our ways of living. But as long as you have two or three pools in each of your houses with multiple cars in your garage, I really don't need your advice that my carbon footprint is unsustainable. If an activist tells me that we're too many people on this planet, and if he's making a compelling argument, I might look the other way if he wants to lead by example.

One thing I love about this place is learning how Europeans, in some ways, live so differently.

But then NYC is like a different world as well, at least to what I'm used to. One day I'd like to visit Europe.

Our first microwave oven was an Artica and was so heavy it took 6 men to lift it, it used a cavity magnetron to generate the frequency of the EM radiation to cook the food, it was roughly 6kW input with about half that in the cooking chamber. We also had a spare magnetron which sat in a box in the cupboard.

When I started work at Decca Radar in 1973 I started to learn about magnetrons as they were used in radars which made me go and dig out the spare magnetron and have a look at it and written on the side of it on a label was 6kW input power and a resonant frequency of 932MHz. Many years later when the UK got it's CB bands allocated at 27MHz and 934MHz I thought the higher one was close to the frequency of the magnetron, then the UK had to give up the 934MHz CB band as it was being allocated for cell phones. While the frequencies are close and the magnetron for the microwave oven is within the cellphone band the power levels are vastly different but still gives me thought about using a cellphone.

Opa keeps saying it's about time we had another war there are too many people around. But then again he does talk a lot of bull.

Well, that's kinda the point.The power output is three to four orders of magnitude lower. It CAN and DOES heat up the surrounding tissue, but so does taking a warm shower or rolling up under a blanket, and again the amount of heat transferred (or "not lost" in the blanket case) is orders of magnitude bigger. And yes, you should't take a bath in excess of 40°C for an extended time, it's not like this is one of the health hazards that the bathing industry tries to hide from you.

The thing about orders of magnitude, with kinetic energy: If I hit you with all my force with a ping-pong ball, it's not going to hurt much. If I hit you with a baseball bat, the amount of kinetic energy is about three orders of magnitude higher, and it becomes a potentially deadly attack. If I run you over with a car at "ping-pong ball max velocity" (another increase by three more orders of magnitude), it will rip you apart - and possibly get me killed in the car, too.

A few more OOMs, and we're talking about an asteroid impact on this planet, then a planet-on-planet impact. It gets quickly out of hand.

It's never stopped me using a cell phone, just gave me thought about it, it's mW Vs kW phone to microwave oven in this case.

This microwave oven was from the late 1960s and was in our home later when my parents bought the hotel we moved it there too but it was a big brute of a machine and not very precise, for somethings you could not set the timer to a small enough increment of time. we ditched it and got a Sharp combination oven, while it had a smaller capacity it was much more useful in day to day use compared with the Artica, Artica was a commercial brand/model made by Raytheon in the 1960s and was about 8 times the power of a modern microwave oven.


Edit: While working with radars we had to wear a lead lined apron to protect our little swimmers and we also had leaded glass inserts to put in place of hatches and covers on the radar transmitters so we could work on them while they were running.

Myself being involved with the telco side of broadcasting I am reminded that the cautious choice was always to leave the router in a place where you did not spend too much time. As a former Aircraftman in the RDAF I am aware of studies linking increased ocurrence of cancer in former radar operators to long term exposure to unsafe levels of microwave emissions. Just one such example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19035449


Equipment can be shielded to negate side effects caused by microwave emissions, living creatures cannot.

With 5G arriving, Internet of Things will more and more become reality and this means that not only are there many more cellualar base stations to handle the traffic, the traffic will also increase hundredfold, as the chips in fridges, heaters, cars, TV's eventually implants in our bodies are nattering constantly, all in very close proximity. This, I feel is what makes the situation different to today where we are still, a lot of the time a fairly long distance away from emitters.

I don't know if there is cause for alarm but would it not be sensible to look for any potential cause-effect, for example the IQ of young Danish people being screened for possible military service has fallen for the first time in many years and no one knows why. If Bees are getting rarer, is it because they have been messed up, or their habitats messed up by radiowave emissions?

There´s plenty of things that we should NOT know about, it´s always been like that and always will be...



As the saying, "when chaos comes to order".

*sigh*