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#4318159 - 12/07/16 08:28 PM Re: Two sided coin... [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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7 B-2As at Block-30 level in 1999 (thus could be part of OAF):

AV-2 82-1067 Spirit of Arizona
AV-3 82-1068 Spirit of New York
AV-5 82-1070 Spirit of Ohio
AV-6 82-1071 Spirit of Mississippi
AV-8 88-0329 Spirit of Missouri
AV-20 93-1087 Spirit of Pennsylvania
AV-21 93-1088 Spirit of Louisiana


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#4318262 - 12/08/16 04:00 AM Re: Two sided coin... [Re: piston79]  
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7 km seems too low for the B-2..

Fully agree. 7km is way too low.

The attackers of Yugoslavia was separated into two packages. The North Package attacked Belgrade, and Novi Sad region with stealth bombers only, while the South Package attacked Kosovo and Nis region with ALU (non stealth) bombers.


Austrian radar plots of the NATO armada flying through Slovenia, Hungary and the Adriatic sea.

The North Package attacking Belgrade usually consisted 2 EA-6Bs (ECM), 2 pairs of F-15Cs (CAP), 2 pairs of F-16CJs (SEAD), some F-117A, and 1~2 B-2A (flown independently from the package) but using similar TOT as the package.

To avoid mid-air collisions over enemy territory, each mission type of the north package were flown in its own dedicated altitude band, as the CAP and SEAD planes could not see the bombers on their radars, while the stealth bombers had no air-to-air radar and operated under strict radio silence.

Typical North Package:

4 F-15C
entering Yugoslav airspace from Hungary 2min before the CJs
2x2ship CAP, separated by 25 miles (east - west), north of Belgrade, out of SAM rings
Wingmen 5 miles trail
Mid-high 30s alt
6xAIM-120 or 4xAIM-120 + 2xAIM-7MH
2xAIM-9M
3xFuel tank

4 F-16CJ
entering Yugoslav airspace from Hungary
20s alt
2xHARM
2xAIM120A
2xAIM-9M
2xFuel Tank
AN/ASQ-213 Harm Targeting System (HTS) pod
AN/ALQ-184 ECM pod
4xAN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy

2 EA-6B
circling over Hungary
ECM

10 F-117A
entering Yugoslav airspace from Hungary, flying down south above the Yugoslav-Romanian or Yugoslav-Croatian border, than spider routes towards their targets
below CJs mainly above 15kft
2xLGB

2 B-2A
flying independently from the packages, from south to north all throughout the whole country
way above everyone
16xJDAMS

Cpt Michael "Dozer" Shower about the first night (F15C pilot):
"We were in mid- to high 30s, and the CJs in the 20s. The F117s were below them, and the B-2s came through WAY above everyone. This gave us a concern, having JDAMs coming down through us, but it was big-sky-theory in such a tight airspace. We were really stuck; we didn't know where they would be, we had no way to see or avoid them, and we had to stay close to MiG bases."

He had a close encounter unbeknownst to him with an F-117A, when he descended below his altitude band during a dogfight with a MiG-29.


Capt Mike Shower of the 493FS shoots down a MiG-29 over the outskirts of Belgrade in a night-time interception witnessed by an F-117

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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#4318507 - 12/08/16 09:59 PM Re: Two sided coin... [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Very interesting information! Thank you.

#4318783 - 12/10/16 06:26 AM Re: Two sided coin... [Re: PN79]  
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Originally Posted By: PN79
My thought:
- Do we know what serbian "secondary sources" has said that it was B-2? Because clearly it was not the S-125 operators despite that picture on the cabin.
- Do we know list of B-2 flights through war? How often they flew? Was it each day and with ending on 21st May or they flew like once a month or similar?
- Which SAM battery and when has damaged the second F-117? The second damaged F-117 is confirmed by US sources - when and how it happened?
- What was the air picture that day (20th May) when shooting occurs - other aircrafts, jamming?

- And at what range the P-18 radar operator has seen the target for the first time on 20th May? It was mentioned with the first F-117 case but not in this case.




#4359814 - 05/27/17 10:43 AM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#4359830 - 05/27/17 01:02 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted by Hpasp


Now start adding the other side stories...

https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=110337

Also have a P.Mm from me on another topic!

#4401576 - 01/23/18 08:21 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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#4402364 - 01/29/18 10:09 AM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: piston79]  
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Good map!
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I will add firings to it.
HARM scattering is especially interesting.


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#4402366 - 01/29/18 11:02 AM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted by Hpasp
Good map!
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I will add firings to it.
HARM scattering is especially interesting.



Firings are there.... (at least succesful ones...)

Here zoomable picture..

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3_%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B0_3_%D1%80%D0%B4_%D0%9F%D0%92%D0%9E.jpg

#4405475 - 02/16/18 05:00 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Few days ago, Colonel Tiosav Jankovich was appointed as a commander of the 250th SAM Brigade.
19 years ago, he was a young beginner at the 3rd SAM battalion led by Zoltán Dani and participated in the shooting down of the current US Air Force Chief of Staff David Goldfein's F-16CG.
Congratulation!
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#4458772 - 01/26/19 05:35 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Some info

Attached Files BojkoDotlich.JPGzoltan dani.jpg
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#4459207 - 01/29/19 07:36 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted by Hpasp
Few days ago, Colonel Tiosav Jankovich was appointed as a commander of the 250th SAM Brigade.
19 years ago, he was a young beginner at the 3rd SAM battalion led by Zoltán Dani and participated in the shooting down of the current US Air Force Chief of Staff David Goldfein's F-16CG.
Congratulation!
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Colonel Tiosav Jankovic (now Commander of the 250th Missile Brigade, PVO VS), remembered the shooting of Goldfein's F-16CG:

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- I'm rotating the antenna to the right (clockwise). At the moment when the first target return began to disappear from the screen, somewhat closer, to the right of the vertical marker, a new, smaller one appeared, like as MiG-29 one. I realized that both reflections are at the same course and height, and that the other is closer and I think that the first one is the decoy (AN/ALE-50). I quickly bring the second return into the cross-section of the marker and submit it to tracking. I'm looking at the instruments, the speed is about 250 m /s, Parameter - about 4 km. I was not even finished reporting, when Dotlic shouts "Launch". Pressing PUSK. The distance to the target was 14 to 15 km. The first one takes off, then second one, the first one is in a guidance .... The missile comes close to the target, and explodes at a distance of about 11 km. A large explosion engulfed the target. The Azimuth was is 320 degrees .... According to our estimation, the hit was in the wider area of ​​Brestac village, the plane then continued its flight in the direction of Batajnica. They then inform us the plane turned to Tuzla, losing height. Fearing, however, that he did not cross the border, we are waiting for news with awe. After a while, they reported that the F-16CG plane crashed on Cer...


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#4469516 - 04/08/19 05:09 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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#4470206 - 04/12/19 09:25 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted by piston79

Nice! thumbsup

#4470750 - 04/16/19 07:51 PM Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted by piston79

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Did you see SA-2 in the forest?

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