#4401723 - 01/24/18 10:33 PM
Re: Wait, don`t forget about Star Trek Discovery
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As I understand it, Voq was transformed into Tyler in two ways. First, his body was physically morphed into a human form. This was irreversible. Second, he was psychologically transformed into Tyler, on top of his Voq persona, which was supposed to be repressed until the female Klingon unlocked it with an implanted trigger (the Klingon prayer). Unfortunately, this did not work the way it was supposed to, hence Tyler's tortured state. Thus, the female Klingon eventually "killed" the Voq persona. Tyler is now full Tyler, although undoubtedly messed up. He will never attain his former position as a member of the crew I would guess.
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#4401731 - 01/24/18 11:29 PM
Re: Wait, don`t forget about Star Trek Discovery
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Seems to be the case, but that could mean the real one is still alive somewhere. I doubt she would really kill off the Klingon she was tight with. She’s sneaky!
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#4409568 - 03/08/18 05:40 AM
Re: Wait, don`t forget about Star Trek Discovery
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Noticed a free 7 day trial of CBS All Access via Amazon Prime a few days ago so I signed up and we've watched all but two episodes of STD so far.
Can't say that I'm all that impressed. First the nit picky stuff: worst opening credits of any Trek series ever, much worse that the hated (not by me though) opening credits of "Enterprise".
The "spore drive" thing seems more science fantasy than science fiction to me, Star Wars territory. I suppose there has to be an explanation at some point why "spore drives" aren't on every ship by TNG.
I hope there is eventually an explanation why these Klingons look so different from ENT/TNG/DS9/Voy Klingons, thus far it just makes no sense to me.
I really don't care for the mirror universe, it's been over done already (especially by DS9) and it doesn't make any logical sense to me.
I'll finish this season and if I get a chance to see further episodes for free later on I probably will but I can't see myself paying to watch this.
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#4409601 - 03/08/18 01:57 PM
Re: Wait, don`t forget about Star Trek Discovery
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A lot of critics have said rather ironically and comically that they think "The Orville" with Seth McFarlane is more like the real Star Trek than Discovery is. In some ways it is but there are also some big differences, IE no Trek series was ever crewed by a bunch of morons. I hope some of the "comedy" on The Orville is toned down in season 2.
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#4409611 - 03/08/18 02:33 PM
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Star Trek shows ended and we went years without any on tv. I’m happy to have both shows and I’m glad they’re different. On the Kingon look, it was done before on STTMP and on TNG. The “explanation” was just for comic effect IIRC, an afterthought. It makes sense to me for them to look more alien. I’m fine with it or if they had left them alone, no big deal. ST has always been too human looking, but with a bit of “something” on the firehead or bridge of the nose. They tried to explain that on TNG, but it fell a bit flat. I think it will be 2019 before the show returns. Maybe they will have given up on the CBS subscription thing by then.
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#4409613 - 03/08/18 02:38 PM
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On the Kingon look, it was done before on STTMP and on TNG. The “explanation” was just for comic effect IIRC, an afterthought. It makes sense to me for them to look more alien. I’m fine with it or if they had left them alone, no big deal. ST has always been too human looking, but with a bit of “something” on the firehead or bridge of the nose. They tried to explain that on TNG, but it fell a bit flat. .
Of course what caused this issue is the fact that ST: TOS had a barebones budget (even for the 1960's) and so the Klingons looked human with just some dark makeup thrown on and some facial hair and long eyebrows. Even on ST: TNG and DS 9, the producers did not have enough of a budget to go all-out on creating alien species that looked non-human.
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#4409621 - 03/08/18 03:07 PM
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I understand the first change in Klingon appearance for TNG, they wanted a more alien look, a more fierce look. And they got that. And that look served well on TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and various movies. Once that new TNG Klingon look was established over ~20 years of Trek over various series and movies and the change of appearance from TOS to TNG explained on ENT I just think it was pure arrogance on the part of Bryan Fuller to insist on changing that appearance in STD. He didn't change Andorians or Vulcans, why change Klingons?
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#4409630 - 03/08/18 03:39 PM
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TNG was following the improved look from the movies. Then they gave Worf more headcrab later. I suspect they wanted to make them much more alien in Discovery, just like they amped up their aggresiveness and made then even more unreasonable. The shows evolve. On Enterprise they made the Vulcans and Andorians much better. They want to progress in making the shows better. Doesn’t mean they get it right all the time. Personally I think the spore drive business is a little thin, but as long as it serves the overall story I’m ok with it.
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#4409636 - 03/08/18 04:12 PM
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"Evolving" through better makeup is one thing, changing appearance to the point that there appears to be a different species is another entirely. Shran on ENT has much better makeup than an Andorian on TOS but you can see that he and the TOS Andorian are the same species. The green Orion chicks on ENT had better, more realistic makeup than Susan Oliver did in "The Cage" but they were both identifiable as Orions.
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#4431251 - 07/21/18 12:31 PM
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Well, the trailer for the second series is out. https://metro.co.uk/video/star-trek-discovery-season-2-trailer-1731064/?ito=vjs-linkHas the same blue and pink theme filmed under 15W lights as the first. Most sci-fi films do that these days though. It's relying on Spock again, so we can rule out an imaginative plot. No doubt the personal issues of the 'self-help group' crew will overshadow any actual sci-fi. I'll still watch it, but I'm sure I'm not going to like it.
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#4431367 - 07/22/18 10:03 AM
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TOS didn't really have much 'canon', so it annoys me to see attempts to apply meaning where there wasn't any. What it did have is mini-skirts and the vaseline-on-the-lens effect to make the actresses look prettier. I doubt we'll be seeing much of that in ST:D. It's nice that they are introducing 'The Orville' style visual jokes though.
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#4459198 - 01/29/19 06:30 PM
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Well, the trailer for the second series is out. https://metro.co.uk/video/star-trek-discovery-season-2-trailer-1731064/?ito=vjs-linkHas the same blue and pink theme filmed under 15W lights as the first. Most sci-fi films do that these days though. It's relying on Spock again, so we can rule out an imaginative plot. No doubt the personal issues of the 'self-help group' crew will overshadow any actual sci-fi. I'll still watch it, but I'm sure I'm not going to like it. OK, I was wrong... We've only had two episodes over here but this series is looking far more promising than the first. They just need to turn down Tilly a notch. Was there a subtle dig at the 'The Orville' with that wise-cracking character that didn't last very long in episode 1?
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