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#4458112 - 01/20/19 11:01 PM Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore  
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1) I was flying Albi with about 15 of my 'Green Tailed' squad mates and two insane SPAD VII aircraft dived down to 'play'! I don't mind being the recipient of attention from time to time but why is it 'always'? I was flying with the formation. I wasn't a 'straggler'. I wasn't on the end. Can someone explain to me why this always occurs? I'd like to be the guy who comes to the aid of a squad mate instead of the other way around.

2) I was by myself being chased by a Nieuport 23 aircraft and some 'friendlies' flew past the opposite direction just a few meters above and kept going. I hit the 'attack' key and got the 'okay' response but... nada, nuthin, no dice, nothing! What gives!?

FWIW: the N23 and SPAD were knocked down by me!

#4458122 - 01/21/19 01:44 AM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: ARUP]  
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They must've know it was the mighty ARUP, world famous ace, and trying to "help" would be a waste of fuel! Pretty smart AI, eh?! wink

Sorry I can't be of much help there, except for a left-handed complement! That must've been some good flying on your part. Perhaps Pol will be along to have a look.


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#4458131 - 01/21/19 04:46 AM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: ARUP]  
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what are you workshop settings for the AI? if you've got them selected as "AI never gives up" this part sounds pretty normal.

I've spent more hours of my life playing flight sims than I probably should have... but this sounds pretty typical. it's also why the first thing I changed was to put the AI on the historical mode. sometimes the AI will dive down and attack superior forces... but they usually give up and leave you alone a lot faster!

#4458139 - 01/21/19 10:16 AM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: ARUP]  
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Maybe you have enhanced AI on, or some other option.

Regarding enemies ignoreing you sometimes. Many possibilities, sometimes aircraft are bugging out going home, or scared running, fatigued, maybe novices, or out of ammo, damaged, or on a mission of their own, or low morale and will not engage you,and so on.


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#4458151 - 01/21/19 01:52 PM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: ARUP]  
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Not to pile on, but my experience over the years is I'm always targeted. I've watched several or even a single fighter attack my entire Staffel, fly right past several disadvantaged wingmen between he and I that could have flamed easily, to laser-focus and attack me. I've been told the AI doesn't do that, or at least they aren't coded to do that, but in my OBD sim(s), they do do it. Sometimes I don't mind, but mostly I don't want to fight the entire enemy air force single-handed.

#4458158 - 01/21/19 03:27 PM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: ARUP]  
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ARUP and JFM;

This probably is of no comfort, but I too have had the same experiences, however, I also often am not the object of attack when in formation.
I think there may be some advantage to being the squad leader, as you can then regulate to some degree how your squad acts to an incoming attack. It seems that if you initiate an attack response, the squad is more likely to join in and relieve some of the pressure. The down side is that they also have no qualms about stealing your kill.

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#4458220 - 01/21/19 11:18 PM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Explain it all away as much as you want to but the truth is out there. The AI JUST DON'T LIKE US! Why should they. We walk into their world and act like it's ALL ABOUT US. then we leave, without even a thank you or Kiss my Hand. "Oh yeah" sorry I got you all killed again this time, hope the fire didn't hurt too much." I have them fly past me all the time when they could help me out. They are obviously just saying, to quote the great Cartman: "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home. neaner

Naw, seriously, I get a little frustrated with some of the AI strange behavior. For instance, when flight A and B are in close proximity and we get attacked and they just continue patrolling within a mile and a half of us or less. But they're doing the best they can with the logic they are given and they're still the best game in town.

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#4458259 - 01/22/19 12:51 PM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: ARUP]  
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Yeah, I realize there are limitations to everything. When I get sick of this one, I just fly something else, until I get sick of their limitations, etc. I don't have a stringent one-sim-adherence. Although one of the earlier OFF phases gave me one of the best kills I've had in a flight sim. Saw an FE2 waaaaay down below me, over the trees, alone, and screamed down after him. When I got close I could see he was very damaged from some prior altercation with someone, flak, whatever, and was struggling/limping back across the lines. There was no return fire from him, and although I'm not daft enough to approach an FE2 from anything other than a blind spot, I think the obs was KiA. And, no, of course I didn't let him go! I flamed him down into the trenches.

#4458450 - 01/23/19 11:09 PM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: ARUP]  
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Thanks for the input, everyone! I have settings on 'normal' and 'historical'. I have limited fuel and ammo, sun glare and 'blood to splatter on goggles' setting. I still have 'head shake' though I'd get rid of it if I could figure the buttons to push (there is a tutorial but I just can't figure it out... I'm analog... that's why I love WWI airplanes!) The AI runs away after a while when they get tired of chasing or fighting me, too, but if possible, I always chase them until the 'end'! This SIM is still the best! I would be really bummed if I couldn't play it!

#4459177 - 01/29/19 04:55 PM Re: Enemy Targets Me and Friendlies Ignore [Re: ARUP]  
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The AI know nothing of who is the player - no code at all for that.

They will usually target the first closest (highest threat) craft they spot. So in QC you are often at the front and will be targetted with other nearest AI. So circle around some don't go direct to the enemy in QC.
If you are flight leader and head to the attack (in QC / Campaign) you may be the first in line.

We can look at adding options to obey the workshop settings for always lead / not etc for QC so you don't lead the flight and therefore don't more often get targetted.


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