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#4455365 - 12/30/18 11:22 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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I mention Nvidia over and over because its the GPU Competition (and AMD news is slow). Competition is good smile

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 pricing and performance leaked

Today we present the full, confirmed specs of GeForce RTX 2060.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 to cost 349 USD

will be available in stores starting from January 15th.

The full article gives substantial detail showing FPS in many games and comparative specifications of the 2000 series cards.

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Now, we need AMD to "compete" with a 7nm GPU that out performs it for less cash. Rumored that AMD will provide 7nm GPU info at CES next week.


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Could easily be a fake leak. But, interesting to an AMD fan. This should be confirmed/denied next week at the CES event.

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AMD Zen 2 Based Ryzen 3000 Series Desktop CPUs Listed Online – Ryzen 9 3800X Flagship With 16 Cores, 32 Threads, Up To 4.7 GHz Boost With 125W TDP

Listed by a Russian retailer, the site lists down AMD’s new Ryzen 9, Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 processors along with their key specifications.

there’s no way of confirming whether these specifications are real or just placeholders based on the recent leaks but AMD definitely has announcements planned for CES 2019

The Ryzen 7 3700X will feature 12 cores and 24 threads which is 4 more cores and 8 more threads compared to the Ryzen 7 2700X. The CPU will clock in at 4.2 GHz base and 5 GHz boost clocks, matching the highest speed of Intel’s fastest 8 core chip in a 105W TDP package.

If true, I'll be in the market for one. But, truth is "to be determined".


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#4456392 - 01/07/19 11:27 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Nvidia sued over data mining crash

A law firm in Los Angeles, California is encouraging investors who lost more than $100,000 by pouring money into Nvidia shares to contact the agency for participation in a possible class-action lawsuit.

The company is currently trading at $133.50, which is down from over $200 in mid-November, and much lower than its high of nearly $300 in early October.


Back in the day when I traded stocks, I saw the entire market as a "gamble" -- not an "investment". Since markets started in the early 1700s, its been "buyer better beware". Losses, some huge, are part of the "game". There are no guarantees for the average stock trader/investor. It will be interesting to see if this lawsuit has any traction.


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NVIDIA Officially Supporting VESA Adaptive Sync [AMD Freesync] Through G-Sync Compatible Monitors Program – 12 Freesync Monitors Passed, Drivers Launching 15th January

NVIDIA at CES 2019 acknowledged that [AMD supported] A-Sync monitors are also built for gaming and that they are very popular. As such, they are officially enabling support for A-sync / Freesync monitors with their upcoming GeForce drivers on 15th January 2019. This is huge news for gamers who want to get hands-on great gaming displays that are cheaper than the G-Sync models while still retaining variable refresh rate and tear-free gaming.

NVIDIA states that they will be starting a program that would certify through various test stages if A-Sync / Freesync monitors pass the G-Sync certification test. So far, 400 models have been tested and 12 have passed.


Note that Nvidia support for Freesync does not always work according to Nvidia's tests. Nonetheless, a win for those advanced gamers who buy Nvidia products. Of course, AMD has had this all along. Competition is good smile


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#4456546 - 01/08/19 04:45 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Presumably, the actual announcements are coming tomorrow (January 9).

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Exclusive: Follow Up On AMD’s Agenda For CES 2019

AMD CES 2019: 7nm products (soft) launch with availability sometime in Q2 2019, planning to be first-to-market with 7nm

AMD will be soft launching (read: announcing) at least two 7nm product lineups. The first one is the 7nm Ryzen 3000 next-generation series (yeah that’s different from the 12nm variants) and the other is the consumer variant of their 7nm Vega GPU.

it’s clear that they are incredibly confident they can beat everyone (including Intel and NV) to market with 7nm products. Stay tuned for coverage of the actual keynote tomorrow!


Summary: AMD is expected to announce 7nm CPUs (for gamers) and 7nm GPUs (for gamers) tomorrow. They will be available by end of June (it is speculated).


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A question, probably hypothetical as a quick internet search seems to indicate that the answer is no,
I'm still waiting for an AMD based equivalent of the Intel NUC/Mac Mini in the high performace per cubic inch category.

Is there an AMD APU that can compete with the i7.8559U (Integrated Iris 655 GPU) that would allow the creation of such a unit?

There is an Intel NUC with Vega GPU, but I'm sure a APU would be cheaper, and maybe better?

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Originally Posted by mikew
A question, probably hypothetical


I'm not an expert at what AMD plans. But, I think you are correct.

AMD has limited resources. So, they cannot "do it all at once". They seem to have been following a "one thing at a time" approach for the last few years.

First, compete by making custom APUs for gaming consoles -- a win. They make the APUs for current and next generation X-Box and Playstation.

Second, catch up to Intel in CPUs -- particularly for data center use. They're mostly there. Current AMD CPUs for business and pleasure are very competitive in performance and win price/performance. As part of that, they combine the new CPUs with the current AMD GPU technology to make a high performing APU for the Laptop market -- that's underway -- products are being made.

Third, catch up to current Nvidia performance in expensive GPUs is next (AMD performance/price has been competitive in mainstream GPUs -- and the non-gaming "compute" aspects of GPUs). The presumed 7nm GPU announcements may be the beginning. But, they have work to do. In that connection, AMDs philosophy is to compete in Mainstream (under $300) first, then high end when they have freed resources to do it.

They don't seem to be players in smaller markets -- from my reading. But, I read mostly gamer/hobby sites.


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Equivalent FPS to RTX2080 for less cash. Good compute performance. Have to see independent reviews when they finally release. They did show one in action.

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AMD Launches The Radeon VII Graphics Card – The World’s First 7nm Gaming GPU for $699 MSRP

AMD’s Radeon VII Is Faster Than NVIDIA’s RTX 2080 – 60 Compute Units and 16 GB of HBM (memory) for 13.8 TFLOPs of Compute

AMD’s Radeon VII graphics card is the first consumer AMD GPU to net a solid 60 fps in maxed out 4k settings in Battlefield V and Farcry 5 and if these titles are any indication of the larger set, the company finally has a competitive 4K graphics card.

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Thanks! I appreciate your updates, which is why I asked the question here.

It's not easy working out the numbering system, but it looks like the most powerful released APU is the Ryzen 7 2800H, but I don't see any laptops using it yet, never mind a mini PC.
Looks like it's Intel again for now...

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AMD Ryzen 3rd Generation ‘Mattise’ AM4 Desktop CPUs Based on Zen 2 Launching in Mid of 2019 – X570 Platform, 8 Core Desktop SKUs and PCIe Gen 4.0 Support

The Zen 2 core architecture is built around the next-gen 7nm process node from TSMC which allows for higher power efficiency, faster clock speeds and the CPU architecture itself provides a huge big leap in IPC compared to Zen+

The processor has also compared in Cinebench R15 versus the Core i9-9900K at stock frequency and the 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen scored 2057 points at 133.4W (max) while the Core i9-9900K with the same 8 core and 16 thread configuration scored 2040 points at179.9W (max).

AMD X570 Chipset – A New House For AMD’s Next-Gen Ryzen 3000 Series CPUs


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Originally Posted by mikew
..I don't see any laptops using it yet, never mind a mini PC.


I've read some Laptops are under construction at the Laptop manufacturers and to be on the market soon. Also, today's press conference indicated AMD henceforth intends to compete strongly in the thin laptop market. Makes sense. The APU is the cost effective solution. Normally, graphics is the weak part of a laptop. With advanced AMD graphics in the chip, that problem is solved. But, this is in the process of making it to market. They may not sell the one a given person wants until later in the year (I don't actually know when).


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AMD had few words about commercial server CPUs. Not for gaming -- but they show where CPUs are headed. Cores and threads. GPUs used to have 1 or 2 "shaders" and now have thousands because that was the only way to make them a thousand times better. We'll see in a decade or so how far desktop CPUs get. .

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Epyc Performance

Su then talked about the company's Epyc processors for the data center. The 7nm Epyc Rome server chips come bearing the Zen 2 microarchitecture and come with 64 physical cores, which equates to 128 threads per processor, double that of the first-gen Naples chips. In a two-socket server, that equates to 128 physical cores and 256 threads in a single box.

Rome is also the first PCIe 4.0 CPU, which offers double the bandwidth per channel. AMD has also made the processors backward compatible with its existing server ecosystem


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Dubbed the Radeon Instinct MI60 and Radeon Instinct MI50, the two cards are aimed squarely at the enterprise accelerator market, with AMD looking to significantly improve their performance competitiveness in everything from HPC to machine learning.


Just my own unsupported observation/speculation...

The new Radeon Vega VII 7nm GPU seems to be the gaming version of the 7nm Radeon Instinct MI50 enterprise accelerator -- which was also supposed to release in the 1st quarter of 2019. As such, the Vega VII would be the RX Vega 64 14nm architecture shrunk to 7nm.

Based on my reading, merely shrinking the Radeon Vega 64 14nm down to 7nm would be a sensible way to build the first 7nm GPU -- as it lowers risk of failure. Basing it to an extent on the overall MI50 package lowers risk/cost further. From my reading, the expected improvement in gaming performance would be approximately what AMD is claiming for Radeon Vega VII -- competitive with RTX2080.

The next step would be to redesign the GPU to make the best use of 7nm. No doubt the redesign has been underway -- maybe that's the Navi that is rumored for roughly mid 2019, or later.


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Article with AMD supplied slides/details including frame rates in many games:

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AMD shares more details on Radeon VII


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AMD CTO Mark Papermaster promises more Radeon products this year

Mark Papermaster confirmed that AMD is not abandoning the mid-range market with their 7nm architecture. The company will unveil more Radeon products over the year.

We are really excited to start on the high end with our 7nm Radeon VII […] and you will see the announcements over the course of the year as we refresh across our Radeon program.
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At CES, the Nvidia CEO badmouthed the AMD 7nm Radeon VII GPU. I say "badmouthed" because his word choices were not "classy" -- unexpected from a CEO. His point was there was no comparison between Radeon VII and the RTX2080 it competes with. Why? Because of Nvidia Ray Tracing mainly. AMD CEO was interviewed and asked to respond:

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AMD CEO: Ray Tracing Is an Important Technology We’re Working on; NVIDIA Embracing FreeSync Says We Made the Right Choice

[AMD CEO partial response] "I’m not going to get into a tit for tat, that’s just not my style. So I’ll tell you that. What I will say is ray tracing is an important technology. It’s one of the important technologies; there are lots of other important technologies..

..what is the consumer going to see? The consumer doesn’t see a lot of [ray tracing] benefit today because the other parts of the ecosystem are not ready. I think by the time we talk more about ray tracing, the consumers will see that.


AMD provided data says Radeon VII FPS competes with RTX2080 in Gaming. Moreover, AMD data indicates the Professional/Compute aspect of Radeon VII is much stronger than RTX2080. As always, wait for the third party reviews.


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Intel possibly trying to compete (or at least give that impression):

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Intel Possibly Readying Core i9-9990XE Processor – Rocks 14 Cores, Up To 5.0 GHz Frequency at 255W TDP

The Core i9-9990XE is said to rock a base clock of 4.0 GHz (+ 1.0 GHz over the Core i9-9980XE) and a 5.0 GHz boost clock (+ 0.5 GHz over the Core i9-9980XE). This would allow for much better work load and gaming performance than the existing flagship.


However, all they are doing is pumping up the voltage/power on chips not designed for that -- resulting in very few being manufactured.

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..the processors will not be sold at retail; rather they will only be sold to system integrators, and then only through a closed online auction. .they likely can only build a few hundred a quarter, hence the one auction per quarter..


The new AMD Ryzen 7nm 8core/16thread gaming CPU planned for Summer release is also 4GHz base and 5GHz boost. Intel will be claiming the same with nearly double the core count (according to rumor).

They are rumored very high priced (pundits estimate $2000) and we can't buy them (closed auction only). However, Intel can "advertise" that "they have the best". And, "Intel friendly" reviewers will have something to tout. Competition is good smile


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As I speculated above (in this thread):

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...The new Radeon Vega VII 7nm GPU seems to be the gaming version of the 7nm Radeon Instinct MI50 enterprise accelerator -- which was also supposed to release in the 1st quarter of 2019. As such, the Vega VII would be the RX Vega 64 14nm architecture shrunk to 7nm...


Now some pundits are noticing the same thing. As such, Radeon VII is actually under priced (compared to the MI50 price tag). It is speculated to do better than MI50 for gaming FPS (at up to 8K resolution). Because of the low price, AMD reduced MI50 compute when they turned MI50 into Radeon VII (but Radeon VII is better at compute than Vega 64 and much better than RTX2080 -- according to AMD).

Obviously, 7nm Radeon VII is primarily a "place holder" to keep attention on AMD GPUs while they produce the first truly gaming 7nm GPUs due this summer.


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A depiction of the difference between 14nm Vega 64 and 7nm Radeon VII chips. Note room in 7nm version for 16GB HBM2 that is included (RTX2080Ti has 11GB memory). For what its worth, the AMD HBM2 setup is said to transfer data twice as fast as RTX2080Ti DDR6. That helps compute, but is "overkill" for current games.

From what I read, the compute aspects of GPUs will become more used in games as time passes. For example, Nvidia uses Ray Tracing. AMD has indicated they will eventually use Ray Tracing (when well supported by games). However, in the shorter term, there is are methods to give similar results using (what I call) a compute function based on a new feature of Microsoft gaming drivers. Compute functions can make use of extra and extra fast memory. Just me rambling as these things are only hinted at in my reading.

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More than one article with this sort of headline:

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AMD Radeon VII Won’t Offer Full-Speed Double Precision [Compute function]


These sorts of headline make it seem like a "fault". Thing is, double precision compute is not used in games -- and Radeon VII is for games.

Games that use compute will use single precision Compute -- Radion VII is blazingly fast at single precision:

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Radeon VII — ... 13.8TFLOPs [single precision]..

the recent focus on AI and ML, .. tend to prioritize lower types of mathematical precision [i.e. single precision compute]


Radeon VII "gaming relevant" FP32 (float) performance is 13.8TFLOPs.

Nvidia RTX 2080 Ti is 13.5TFLOPs.

Nvidia RTX 2080 (what Radeon VII competes with pricewise) is only 10.0TFLOPs.

Then, the article above continues:

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the Radeon VII will offer 862GFLOPS [of FP64 double precision]


RTX 2080 Ti only offers 420GFLOPs and RTX 2080 only offers 315GFLOPs. But the article doesn't mention that.

Compute is not yet a big deal in games. However, AMD has traditionally lead in "compute" (why it was favored for cryptocurrency mining) and it continues to lead gaming GPUs in that function.


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