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#4455150 - 12/28/18 03:18 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: ArgonV]  
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Originally Posted by ArgonV
What's funny with many of the sim listings is most of those "flightsims" would be considered arcade by today's standards. wink


When I think of arcade I think of fast paced action, a running score, X number of lives, unlimited ammo, etc. I don't consider these old sims arcade, just simpler and limited by the the technology they were developed under.

Another way to look at it is....

What's funny with many of the recent sim listings is most of these "flightsims" would be considered sterile by yesterday's standards. wink



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#4455152 - 12/28/18 03:29 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
Originally Posted by ArgonV
What's funny with many of the sim listings is most of those "flightsims" would be considered arcade by today's standards. wink


When I think of arcade I think of fast paced action, a running score, X number of lives, unlimited ammo, etc. I don't consider these old sims arcade, just simpler and limited by the the technology they were developed under.

Another way to look at it is....

What's funny with many of the recent sim listings is most of these "flightsims" would be considered sterile by yesterday's standards. wink



+1

Flight sims from "back in the day" didn't replicate every aircraft system, every switch and knob, every rivet and panel line in excruciating detail but they had something better in some cases: Atmosphere.


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#4455153 - 12/28/18 03:42 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: MarkG]  
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I played the heck out of that game. It had some great missions, the skydive without a parachute and the laser alarm dodging stand out as some of my favourite FPS missions to this day. And the theme music was great!



The music was indeed really well done. In fact, Monolith is one of my all-time favorite developers. I absolutely loved their NOLF games, Tron 2.0, Fear, Alien vs. Predator 2 and the relatively recent Shadow of Mordor/War LOTR games.


I had entirely forgotten that Monolith developed NOLF. I am also a big fan of the LOTR games!


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Originally Posted by ArgonV
What's funny with many of the sim listings is most of those "flightsims" would be considered arcade by today's standards. wink


When I think of arcade I think of fast paced action, a running score, X number of lives, unlimited ammo, etc. I don't consider these old sims arcade, just simpler and limited by the the technology they were developed under.

Another way to look at it is....

What's funny with many of the recent sim listings is most of these "flightsims" would be considered sterile by yesterday's standards. wink


Aye. My main criticism of the IL-2 series as well as the DCS universe is that the rivet-counting has taken over everything, to the detriment of the gameplay.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4455155 - 12/28/18 03:47 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I would much prefer atmosphere over rivet counting, though I do enjoy the compromise that Falcon BMS provides--a bit of atmosphere AND a huge amount of realism. More atmosphere such as Secret Weapons of The Luftwaffe or F-19 Stealth Fighter or European Air War would be a bonus. I've never understood why Russian developers don't get the atmosphere thing--this sterility seemed to start with IL-2 and only grew worse from there.

#4455156 - 12/28/18 03:53 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
. I've never understood why Russian developers don't get the atmosphere thing--this sterility seemed to start with IL-2 and only grew worse from there.



It's too bad that all Western developers dropped the military flight sim genre.

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#4455159 - 12/28/18 03:55 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I would have to agree Mr_Blastman. The complexity for instance of Tornado was just about right for me so I would be happy with just updated graphics as per the topic title.


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#4455279 - 12/29/18 08:47 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
. I've never understood why Russian developers don't get the atmosphere thing--this sterility seemed to start with IL-2 and only grew worse from there.



It's too bad that all Western developers dropped the military flight sim genre.


no it isn't , wouldnt you love to pay season pass to unlock the f-35 :?? or expend 5 bucks to get different squadrons markings ? that is where we would be in order for the game to be profitble, actually rethinking that, it would problably kept the sims alive and suported for years, lots of folks would pay for those......
hhmmmmm googles crowdfunding.

#4455288 - 12/29/18 09:33 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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no it isn't , wouldnt you love to pay season pass to unlock the f-35 :?? or expend 5 bucks to get different squadrons markings ? .



Sounds like DCS, IL2......


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#4455315 - 12/29/18 11:09 PM Re: Question about PC games [Re: F4UDash4]  
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no it isn't , wouldnt you love to pay season pass to unlock the f-35 :?? or expend 5 bucks to get different squadrons markings ? .



Sounds like DCS, IL2......


il2 actually were expansion with new theather and planes. DCS turned into #%&*$#, we were promised integrated battlefield then they started doing eras planes but not eras theather. while charging the price of a game.

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no it isn't , wouldnt you love to pay season pass to unlock the f-35 :?? or expend 5 bucks to get different squadrons markings ? .



Sounds like DCS, IL2......


il2 actually were expansion with new theather and planes.


That you have to pay for, a lot more than $5, which is what your complaint was


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#4455355 - 12/30/18 05:58 AM Re: Question about PC games [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Jane's WWII Fighters -- if only to take one last Sentimental Journey in its virtual sky. JWW2F was one of the first PC games I owned and without a doubt it was the title that hooked me on flight sims. (I'm hoping for great things with the upcoming "IL-2 Battle of Bodenplatte.")


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That’s atmosphere right there.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4455364 - 12/30/18 11:13 AM Re: Question about PC games [Re: Skycat]  
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Originally Posted by Skycat
Jane's WWII Fighters -- if only to take one last Sentimental Journey in its virtual sky. JWW2F was one of the first PC games I owned and without a doubt it was the title that hooked me on flight sims. (I'm hoping for great things with the upcoming "IL-2 Battle of Bodenplatte.")


not my first but the one that grabbed my interest, i was lucky my first sims were f18 korea then janes f-15 and janes ww2 fighter (DEMO) yes, i played the hell out of that demo, since the game was not brough to my country untill years later.

#4455470 - 12/31/18 06:05 AM Re: Question about PC games [Re: semmern]  
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That’s atmosphere right there.

Definitely one of my favorite sims. cool


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#4455471 - 12/31/18 06:22 AM Re: Question about PC games [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Well, I just started playing Mount and Blade today.

DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME.

It's crazy addictive. :P

Kinda like Defender of the Crown meets Sid Meier's "Pirates!"

And keeping with the theme of this thread, I'd love an update to it to bring it up to current graphical standards. The gameplay, however, is solid. But be warned, once you start playing... you can't stop.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Well, I just started playing Mount and Blade today.

DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME.

It's crazy addictive. :P

Kinda like Defender of the Crown meets Sid Meier's "Pirates!"

And keeping with the theme of this thread, I'd love an update to it to bring it up to current graphical standards. The gameplay, however, is solid. But be warned, once you start playing... you can't stop.


Try some mods. I can recommend Anno Domini 1257, which is set in Europe, North Africa, and Outremer.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/anno-domini-1257

I can also recommend The Last Days (of The Third Age) mod, set in J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-last-days

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Originally Posted by James McKenzie-Smith
Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Well, I just started playing Mount and Blade today.

DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME.

It's crazy addictive. :P

Kinda like Defender of the Crown meets Sid Meier's "Pirates!"

And keeping with the theme of this thread, I'd love an update to it to bring it up to current graphical standards. The gameplay, however, is solid. But be warned, once you start playing... you can't stop.


Try some mods. I can recommend Anno Domini 1257, which is set in Europe, North Africa, and Outremer.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/anno-domini-1257

I can also recommend The Last Days (of The Third Age) mod, set in J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-last-days


I'd recommend those mods as well.
I think Mount and Blade is my most played game on steam by a wide margin.
There's just too many ways to play and then you can throw mods on top of it.

I never liked the Fire and Sword or Napoleonic Wars expansions though. Guns just weren't as fun.

Can't wait for Bannerlord to come out.

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1. X-Wing/Tie Fighter
2. European Air War. I've ordered IL-2: Bodenplatte- love my P-47. The "10 Days of Autumn" and "Blazing Steppe" campaigns do add atmosphere but could do more in that department.
3. System Shock- One of the scariest games despite its early graphics. Was too far ahead of its time, miles ahead of Doom2 which was out at the same time.
4. Jedi Knight- Dark Forces II
5. Mechwarrior 2
6. Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear.

Of course, these games would have be released in VR as well.


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