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#4455252 - 12/29/18 04:09 PM Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP - COMPLETE, PICS ADDED  
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Hi All,
This is the beginning of a work in progress for my build of Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A. This is basically Kinetic's Mirage IIIE plastic, with a load of resin to enhance and correct some detail. There's also an excellent decal sheet and some etched metal parts.

I'm almost certain I am going to build C-407 which Teniente Jorge Senn used to attack the landing British forces at San Carlos Water on 21st May 1982. The entire flight of three were intercepted and shot down before they could make their attack, Steve Thomas claiming two kills, and Nigel 'Sharkey' Ward C-407. EDIT: Some sources say Thomas shot down C-407, but most refer to Ward so I'm going with the weight of numbers.

The combat was at extremely low level, but, remarkably all three pilots were able to eject safely. Grupo 6 De Caza lost five Daggers on the 21st, four in the space of 20 minutes.

Just some of my Falklands references.
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The Box
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And the great big bag of resin parts.
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No progress yet, still making notes and deciding what paint I need, but more soon.
Gareth

Last edited by goon; 05/01/19 06:35 PM. Reason: Correction

cheers
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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

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#4455263 - 12/29/18 06:12 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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I haven’t built a model in probably 30 years and don’t have the patience or steady hands for it now (my cats are another reason), but I really like the variety of kits available now. It’s nice to see more than the same old kits in differing levels of detail.

It’s also good to hear that Teniente Senn survived ejection, do you know if he was captured? All the pages I’ve found are in Spanish, and I can’t do much more than order a beer or insult someone’s mother in Español LOL


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#4455325 - 12/29/18 11:31 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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I had a newspaper clipping of the Dagger cut out and taped to my mirror when i was 12 and the Falklands was front page news. It got me excited enough to build a Victor K2 that they had at the local toy shop. I remember thinking it was a monster of a plane compared to my hurricane and 109. That mission the Vulcan did with the Victors was amazing, and typically British! Great looking old school box Goon, is it something you have had hoarded and sat on for a while? She looks a special one.


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#4456814 - 01/10/19 09:35 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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Hi Ajay,
I was just a couple of months short of 12 in the summer of 1982, and the Falklands conflict has captured my interest ever since. It's a fascinating bridge between the old WWII technologies, and the dawn of the digital battlefield. There were no beyond visual range air to air missiles, only dumb bombs, analogue communications and old fashioned foot slogging, hand to hand battles. I can only imagine what it must have been like.

I've had this kit for 3 or 4 years I guess, so not too long.

Some progress at last.

As usual, I've started with the cockpit.

Here's the seat, showing my customary blocking in, refining and then shading. I've tried something a little different on this, going for a higher contrast look, blending some oil paints in to the acrylics after the matt was applied. I sitll have to touch in Eduard's ejection handles and paint the buckles.

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The tub for it to sit in is all but done. I might add some scuffing to the floor around the rudder pedals yet.

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And the instrument panel. Wingman provide a replacement and some very nicely done decals that line up beautifully on the instruments.

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I appear to be struggling with my photography, I'll try harder!

Thanks for looking in,
Gareth


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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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^That last pic reminds us all of you were a watchmaker in a previous life...

Seriouisly, if that clothes peg is a standard size I can't fathom how you do this...

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I'm pretty sure Goon shrinks himself to about the size of the peg. He's basically a model painting hacker.


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#4457962 - 01/19/19 04:58 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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Hi Everyone,
If my painting skills were that good I wouldn't need to go to work every day. smile The fact is the IP is just four decals carefully placed, and zapped with DACO strong decal solution. Ten minutes work tops.

NH2112 - As this was the first day of the landings Senn came down way behind Argentinian lines, and returned to Argentina. By the sound of it he can count himself very lucky that a British made seat saved his life. wink

Talking of seats, I've finished this one. I've added a couple of buckles from a Reheat Models set that must have been in my spares box for about 30 years. I've seen those on the shoulder straps anodised in blue, so I went for that to add a little colour. (Once again the close up reveals a dog hair. These still haunt me despite the fact Ted died last month. He's still present in the shed, even in death!)

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Here are all the gear doors. Like the seat I've gone for a bit more contrast than my usual style. I quite like it, but I'd be interested to know what others think.

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More soon,
Gareth


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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
#4458096 - 01/20/19 07:29 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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Sorry to hear about your dog, Goon.

I like the "haptic" quality of the doors. It's "larger than life" but I think very suited for a model.

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Doors look good, the detail really pops without looking too grungy Goon.


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#4459162 - 01/29/19 03:02 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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Thanks for the feedback. I've been ploughing on with the Dagger. There've been some very challenging joins around the nose and cockpit area. It's very engineered and complex and fit hasn't been great. This could well be my own fault as I really had to clamp the forward part of the fuselage around the replacement cockpit tub. Pretty much every join is made with superglue.

Here's the troublesome nose, with a mix of Milliput and very fine lead beads to act as a nose weight. The distortions to the nose also made the windshield unnecessarily hard to fit but it's on.

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And now with the replacement nose. Again, this would have been a much neater fit if I hadn't been so hamfisted.

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There's some neat tabs and slots at the wing roots, but fit was still not great. Again, I think as a result of the distortions around the nose area. There was quite a bot of sanding that removed the distinctive fasteners or rivets along the roots, but they were easily reinstated with Rosie the Riveter.

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Kinetic have provided posable control surfaces, which are a pain the arse! They rarely fit well, and as usual in those shaped like this don't even meet correctly. Out with the plastic card and a fix is done.

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The nose leg is done, which didn't need anything adding other than some lead wire the the light cabling.

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I've also started the payload. These are third party EXPAL bombs. Frustratingly there are no pylons for the stations the Argentinian Daggers often carried bombs on. I've found a couple of pictures and these are modified from some existing pylons, to get 'close enough for jazz'.

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Back to reinstating panel lines. (A dreadful chore of a job!), more soon,
Gareth


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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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That gear leg looks fantastic.


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The airframe is complete. I've managed to fix the mess I made of the nose and cockpit area. Here I am reinstating panel lines, a job I absolutely hate. I've never been any good at it, and am very envious of the the skills I've seen others display.

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As well as the pylons under the wing I've had to make a centre line pylon. This is from two parts out of the spares box, and at best is 'inspired by reality' rather than perfectly to scale. The parts even had a cutaway in the right places to match the scoops and fairing the real one conforms to, with only a little modification needed. I'll be adding sway braces when the model is complete enough to stand on its gear.

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A quick snap of it with the pre-shade on.

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And here with the yellow ID bands on the wings. I hate spraying yellow! The only way to do it is over white, so I masked them off, sprayed Tamiya white primer, then Tamiya yellow. They are now masked off ready for the camouflage to be painted. (There are several different versions of these stripes, varying in width, and sometimes on the fin, depending on the individual aircraft. Steve Thomas reported that the yellow bands were what alerted him to the aircraft below him and Ward, leading to Raton flight being wiped out. The stripes on remaining aircraft were subsequently over painted, but as the aircraft were deployed at remote bases this could only be accomplished with cheap green paint from local shops. The stripes on several machines therefore became a lovely shade of tourquoise as the yellow showed through the green! (I'll be building an example of this from another kit.))

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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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Yellow paint and rescribing, lucky you biggrin


Nice little tale about the id and quick change of colour. I need to do some more research on The Falklands, i really only know the edge of the whole conflict.


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#4460743 - 02/10/19 03:58 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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The Falklands war is a 'passion' of mine. I vividly remember the coverage on the TV when I was a boy, and it's stayed with me ever since. (I remember hearing Brian Hanrahan's "I'm not allowed to say how many planes joined the raid, but I counted them all out and I counted them all back." line being on the news, a comment that still gives me goose bumps today.) I know it's a bit of a trek, but if you're ever in the UK drop in for a thumb through these smile

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There's another dozen and a half down the shed that I'm constantly referring to so they never make it back on the shelf, and many Kindle only publications too. I've even got a single player board game based on the conflict.


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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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I'm still trying to come to grips with adding rivet marks that small onto plastic in the right places.

Yikes!


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Well ruddy 'ell Goon! What is the must have Falklands book, i'll settle for that at this stage lol.


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It's hard to pick an overall book, but for excellent reads I'd go for any of these: 'Sharkey' Ward's 'Sea Harrier Over The Falklands' (Get a later edition, as there have been some updates.) Rick Jolley's 'Doctor To Friend And Foe' is a superb account of the medical work at Ajax Bay. Price and Etthell's 'Air War South Atlantic' is very good, despite it's age and some inaccuracies. Hayne's also do a very good 'overall' guide 'Falklands War Operations Manual'.


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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
#4463416 - 02/28/19 09:07 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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Hi All,
I've just realised I haven't updated for a while, trying to make progress as quick as I can to be able to take it to East of England Model show in Peterborough to show on Sunday. There's been significant progress. The model is painted and unmasked, and I've got most of the way through the decals.

Phone photos - sorry!
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The serials on C-407 are on two parts of the camouflage and painted in 'negative' with the opposite colours. The Wingman decals don't match the colours I'm using so I had to paint them. I've had a Silhouette Studio plotter cutter for years, and never mastered it. I found a really good guide that had me with masks cut in vinyl in about half an hour, rather than the usual four hours of enraged swearing which stopped me using it unless desperate. They aren't perfect but now I know what I'm doing (at last) I'll use it a lot more now! (The other side is much more complex but needs a significant touch up so I'll show that when it's complete wink )

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Back to the decalling!

Gareth

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cheers
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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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#4463685 - 03/02/19 02:59 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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Can i place an order for a bunch of Luftwaffe spirals please biggrin


Looking good man, how do you get rid of the imperfections in the paint, sanding before you seal it?


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#4463882 - 03/03/19 10:58 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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I won't bother Ajay, once it's flatted it won't be particularly noticeable. It's nice to get a flawless finish, but not essential unless a polished gloss finish is required.


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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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Ok, cool. Next question, how many coats of gloss before you get that nice finish so you can decal and weather? I'm making mine a 50/50 mix and spraying at 20 psi, second day and second coat and it still looks like it is soaking it up. I'm worried if i go too heavy it will run, so maybe i'm going to light on..but it is definitely getting that nice wet look when i spray. Once dry it still doesn't look glossy enough to weather though. I know it should be obvious, gloss is gloss, and should look..glossy smile


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Sometimes you need several coats of gloss to get a good finish. I like Alclad Aqua Gloss, as it sprays nicely and gives a good finish. I do skip this as my preferred paint, Xtracolour, is gloss finish anyway. Unfortunately it's only available mail order from Hannants.

Here's the under side of the Dagger, where I'm working on the gear. I need to weather the wells a bit, but they won't be seen so I won't spend too much time.

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Hoping to be finished by the weekend, then I'll move on to the Chinook you can see in the background and start my next project.


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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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Looks awesome Goon, lovely weathering/wash.


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Yes, that detail on the underside, as usual, is amazing.

Not so hard to guess which Chinook this is going to be, right... wink

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Yup, Bravo November. I hope to do an Argentine machine as well.

Getting close to the finish with the Dagger now. The tanks and bombs are on. As far as I can tell the last flight of this machine was with three tanks, but at sixteen quid a pair, and no legitimate use for one, I'll leave it until decide if I need four. Just some touch ups and probes / sensors to add, then mount the canopy.

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UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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Did the Argies also have Chinooks? That's curious, not so often two warring parties fly the same equipment...

That inverted tail number is a real highlight. Curious why they did it that way, but it looks definitly great on the model.

Also, curious what the yellow high-vis stripe was for. Seems to defeat the camo purpose quite dearly.

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Hi vis on camo has always had me a bit perplexed but it generally makes for cool paint schemes. You are right about that number Col, definitely a nice subtle highlight.


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#4465745 - 03/15/19 10:31 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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Hi Kids,
Bar some glue drying in the canopy joins the Dagger is complete. Here's a view from the other side, including clothes peg jig, and, my friends inform me, Gepetto from Pinocchio.

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The hi-viz stripes are very curious, and the camo colour serial certainly inconsistent. The stripes were added for the Falklands operations, but why bother with camo serials when you've got whacking great sky blue and white insignia and a full colour 'badge' on the fin? The yellow stripes appeared on all sorts of Argentinian aircraft during the war, but on the Daggers were hastily (and ineffectively) deleted after multiple losses.

Colonel - Argentinian forces operated two Chinooks over the islands during the war, more details when Bravo November is finished. wink

Thanks for following everyone, some proper photos when I get the camera out.

Gareth


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#4465761 - 03/16/19 12:40 AM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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I read yesterday that the yellow was meant to avoid friendly fire. Seems the camo worked too well.

#4466784 - 03/21/19 06:42 AM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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#4467849 - 03/28/19 10:06 AM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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I’ve been called a lot of things but this is a first for “wise”!

I think the stripes were added to aid the largely conscripted forces on the islands in identifying their own aircraft. The side effect was making them stand out to the British (as in this episode) and they didn’t really work for their intended purpose. I’m away from my references at the moment but at least one aircraft was a victim of ‘fratrcide’. If I remember correctly a Skyhawk was shot down while trying to make an emergency landing at Port Stanley.


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Gareth

UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
#4472594 - 05/01/19 06:35 PM Re: Wingman Models 1/48 Dagger A - Fuerza Area Argentina WIP [Re: goon]  
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Here's some pictures of the finished model.

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Cheers,
Gareth


cheers
Gareth

UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing.
OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing.
HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you.

Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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