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#4453685 - 12/18/18 02:12 AM 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight...  
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#4453692 - 12/18/18 03:05 AM Re: 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight... [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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#4453694 - 12/18/18 03:29 AM Re: 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight... [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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i still think the first "flight" was more of a glide with inertia. The wright brothers used a weight and catapult system to launch their wright flyers. so they used weight to launch it along rails, downhill, and then lifted the front and off it glided. If you read up about it, they never turned during those first "flights" at all, it wasn't until later that they did. Indeed everything since (either found, or experimented) has shown that the wright flyer I could only just get into the air, even if all conditions were favourable, and NOT under its own power, it HAD to use the weight and catapult system to even stand a chance, and even then, it was for seconds only.

Not saying they weren't very clever chaps who did actually made the world first controlled powered aeroplane (specially with wright flyer II onwards), i just think those first "flights" were played up a bit!!


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#4453695 - 12/18/18 03:56 AM Re: 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight... [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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The fourth flight was over 850 feet and lasted for almost a minute, under much better control than the first 3 flights.


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#4453801 - 12/18/18 08:29 PM Re: 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight... [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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#4453811 - 12/18/18 09:44 PM Re: 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight... [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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#4453841 - 12/19/18 12:56 AM Re: 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight... [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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#4453855 - 12/19/18 04:05 AM Re: 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight... [Re: Meatsheild]  
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Originally Posted by Meatsheild
i still think the first "flight" was more of a glide with inertia. The wright brothers used a weight and catapult system to launch their wright flyers. so they used weight to launch it along rails, downhill, and then lifted the front and off it glided. If you read up about it, they never turned during those first "flights" at all, it wasn't until later that they did. Indeed everything since (either found, or experimented) has shown that the wright flyer I could only just get into the air, even if all conditions were favourable, and NOT under its own power, it HAD to use the weight and catapult system to even stand a chance, and even then, it was for seconds only.

Not saying they weren't very clever chaps who did actually made the world first controlled powered aeroplane (specially with wright flyer II onwards), i just think those first "flights" were played up a bit!!



Hahahaha...you just repeated everything the French said to discredit the Wright Brothers. But one does not glide for 852 feet from the slight downgrade they launched from. That was powered flight.

Then the brothers went to France with the Wright Flyer (version, um, well, since they crashed every single one of them, it was a rebuild) and flew for forty minutes, including turns. That changed everyone's mind about it.

Remember, please, that the Wright Brothers did NOT invent the heavier-than-air flying machine. There were plenty of them around. What the Wright Brothers figured out was the control systems and how to account for adverse yaw.

Let's think about that for a second - dudes were building and trying to fly airplanes without full control of the six axis of flight until the Wright Brothers. Yikes!

There was a huge fight over the patents, with different legal approaches.

The British just took it at face value and honored them, instituting a patent pool from whence the Wrights would be paid (they refused to permit the Wrights to say who could use it and who couldn't, as they did in the USA).
The French said they were derivative of other's works, and therefore would not be honored fully; they permitted use of them but promised the Wrights would be paid if they won in the courts. Eventually they took the British approach.
The Germans said they didn't do anything really revolutionary and ignored them completely, and refused to issue injunctions against using their systems; in fact, they threw all the Wright Brother's claims out of court.

There is the small matter of a few folks here and there that managed to come up with the same systems as the Wrights either concurrently or slightly before the Wrights, but in each case they failed to properly document to cement their claims. In one case, the Wrights paid a nice out-of-court settlement to a fellow in Alabama who did in fact have some documentation from a year prior but was willing to take the cash and be quiet.


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#4453860 - 12/19/18 04:56 AM Re: 115th Anniversary of man's powered flight... [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
Originally Posted by Meatsheild
i still think the first "flight" was more of a glide with inertia. The wright brothers used a weight and catapult system to launch their wright flyers. so they used weight to launch it along rails, downhill, and then lifted the front and off it glided. If you read up about it, they never turned during those first "flights" at all, it wasn't until later that they did. Indeed everything since (either found, or experimented) has shown that the wright flyer I could only just get into the air, even if all conditions were favourable, and NOT under its own power, it HAD to use the weight and catapult system to even stand a chance, and even then, it was for seconds only.

Not saying they weren't very clever chaps who did actually made the world first controlled powered aeroplane (specially with wright flyer II onwards), i just think those first "flights" were played up a bit!!



Hahahaha...you just repeated everything the French said to discredit the Wright Brothers. But one does not glide for 852 feet from the slight downgrade they launched from. That was powered flight.

Then the brothers went to France with the Wright Flyer (version, um, well, since they crashed every single one of them, it was a rebuild) and flew for forty minutes, including turns. That changed everyone's mind about it.

Remember, please, that the Wright Brothers did NOT invent the heavier-than-air flying machine. There were plenty of them around. What the Wright Brothers figured out was the control systems and how to account for adverse yaw.

Let's think about that for a second - dudes were building and trying to fly airplanes without full control of the six axis of flight until the Wright Brothers. Yikes!

There was a huge fight over the patents, with different legal approaches.

The British just took it at face value and honored them, instituting a patent pool from whence the Wrights would be paid (they refused to permit the Wrights to say who could use it and who couldn't, as they did in the USA).
The French said they were derivative of other's works, and therefore would not be honored fully; they permitted use of them but promised the Wrights would be paid if they won in the courts. Eventually they took the British approach.
The Germans said they didn't do anything really revolutionary and ignored them completely, and refused to issue injunctions against using their systems; in fact, they threw all the Wright Brother's claims out of court.


Originally Posted by Dart
There is the small matter of a few folks here and there that managed to come up with the same systems as the Wrights either concurrently or slightly before the Wrights, but in each case they failed to properly document to cement their claims. In one case, the Wrights paid a nice out-of-court settlement to a fellow in Alabama who did in fact have some documentation from a year prior but was willing to take the cash and be quiet.


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