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#4448752 - 11/14/18 09:37 PM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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#4448758 - 11/14/18 10:12 PM Re: California fires [Re: Alicatt]  
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If and when the Cali rainy season starts more devastation will occur as there is no vegetation to hold the land in place.

In Juan's 2nd video in the series I posted above he was saying that exact thing, the ground is so dry the water just runs off it and doesn't soak in, he was demonstrating that from about 2 days before and not too far from where the fire started. He lives about 40 miles south of where the fire is, and was saying he has his bug-out plan in place just in case.


That may be the case on the surface, in some areas, but we had so much rain last winter it ended the multi-year drought. The ground here overall isn't dry by any means. Usually around this time of year you'd see a lot of yellow patches on lawns (except for the rich people of course). Haven't been seeing nearly as much this year.

#4448815 - 11/15/18 03:44 AM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Another set of fires devastating California.

California is a large land mass with many clement zones. The arid zones have always had an issue with fire. "Some" other zones have issues with forestry miss-management. There are many regions of California that have not seen fire for years. Please look at geography before using such broad statements.

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#4448818 - 11/15/18 04:08 AM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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So I just figured there must have been loaded guns inside the safe....

Please educate yourself. A gun and ammunition are separate entities. A gun can not expel a projectile without ammunition. Ammunition can release it's energy if exposed to excessive heat.

Sorry if I offend you.


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#4448822 - 11/15/18 04:22 AM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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as for ammo going off. No, they can go off with quite a bit of force. They are normally stored stacked in plastic tubed. As they heat up the plastic starts to melt and they get packed in there pretty tight. Then they go off and the casing plus what is next to them act as a makeshift barrel. The primer goes off first and the round shoots out at maybe 1/4th the force it would come out if fired from a gun. As more rounds go off the subsequent rounds lose force as they are no longer packed tightly in.


The ammo propellant expels at the same force if it is in a gun or not. The barrel of the gun directs the force as forward momentum. Plastic is soft at the heat ranges required to ignite the propellant charge and can not direct the force of the propellant. Thus, the packaging of ammo as no affect on the force of the bullet. The primer "cooks off" at the same heat range as the propellant. Shells in the center of the packaging will go off last as they are shielded by the heat because of the outer shells.

I stand ready to be educated.

ok, depending upon how it is packed, the outer shells can increase the 'punch' of the inner shells.

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The barrel of the gun directs the force as forward momentum.

This is only true if the round is "in the chamber". Rounds "cooking off" in the mag are impeded by the frame of the gun.

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#4448831 - 11/15/18 05:32 AM Re: California fires [Re: Brit44 'Aldo']  
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So I just figured there must have been loaded guns inside the safe....

Please educate yourself. A gun and ammunition are separate entities. A gun can not expel a projectile without ammunition. Ammunition can release it's energy if exposed to excessive heat.

Sorry if I offend you.


None taken. This wasn't a gun sub-conversation anyway, it's just crazy that whether from an actual "barrel" or storage box that a bullet could go through...

That safe had to be near molten....

#4448838 - 11/15/18 10:20 AM Re: California fires [Re: Zamzow]  
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Originally Posted by Zamzow
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So I just figured there must have been loaded guns inside the safe....

Please educate yourself. A gun and ammunition are separate entities. A gun can not expel a projectile without ammunition. Ammunition can release it's energy if exposed to excessive heat.

Sorry if I offend you.


None taken. This wasn't a gun sub-conversation anyway, it's just crazy that whether from an actual "barrel" or storage box that a bullet could go through...

That safe had to be near molten....

Hickock cooking off a 9mm round



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#4448860 - 11/15/18 01:14 PM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Behind the scenes at McClellan Field with Juan and the Air Super Tankers that are dropping retardant on the fires



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#4448962 - 11/15/18 10:39 PM Re: California fires [Re: Alicatt]  
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Originally Posted by Alicatt
Behind the scenes at McClellan Field with Juan and the Air Super Tankers that are dropping retardant on the fires



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0XQI525UE


There are no clouds in that sky. Smoke got twice as bad today. 80 miles from the fire. That tanker had to do an IFR departure at the end - 2 miles visibility.

#4449019 - 11/16/18 10:32 AM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I can't (and don't want to) imagine how terrifying it must have been to be caught up in this conflagration, especially after seeing the footage from cars driving with fire on both sides of the road. I see the 'missing' has risen dramatically of late.
I can't understand why British media is focussing on the 'plight' of celebs, surely it would be better to emphasise those who have lost their one and only house without a fortune to fall back on.

I couldn't care less if Kim Kardashian has suffered loss. Perhaps she could smother the fire with her massive arse.



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Originally Posted by BD-123

I can't understand why British media is focussing on the 'plight' of celebs, .



The sad truth is that it sells better (ie higher viewer ratings, more mouse clicks, more readers, etc.)


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#4449066 - 11/16/18 06:40 PM Re: California fires [Re: BD-123]  
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Originally Posted by BD-123
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I couldn't care less if Kim Kardashian has suffered loss. Perhaps she could smother the fire with her massive arse.


In light of the potentially flamable emissions from it... is it worth the risk for her to try?

#4449068 - 11/16/18 07:11 PM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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#4449092 - 11/16/18 10:53 PM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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About the ammo cooking off in the gun safe. In my younger days it was common practice when out camping to surreptitiously chuck a handful of 22 cartridges in the fire and retire to watch the fun. They would just go bang, rupturing the cases, no bullets zinging about.


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#4449104 - 11/17/18 12:15 AM Re: California fires [Re: CyBerkut]  
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Originally Posted by CyBerkut
Originally Posted by BD-123
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I couldn't care less if Kim Kardashian has suffered loss. Perhaps she could smother the fire with her massive arse.


In light of the potentially flamable emissions from it... is it worth the risk for her to try?


From what I read, Kardashian and what's his name hired their own firefighters to spare their house.

It's good to be rich, eh?

#4449117 - 11/17/18 05:32 AM Re: California fires [Re: Mad Max]  
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In my younger days it was common practice when out camping to surreptitiously chuck a handful of 22 cartridges in the fire and retire to watch the fun.

wink I have a small scar from using a hammer to set of the primer of some 25 cal shells. Friend hit the casing (after taking turns with half a dozen or so that we had removed the bullets from for the powder) and "stuff" happened. The primer took a small chunk out of my Levi's and a bit of fleash. smile It burned like heck and I thought I had been shot. I have not used a hammer upon a casing since.


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#4449131 - 11/17/18 07:11 AM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Seems to me there must have been loaded guns inside the safe then. Which I don't see a problem with - I have no idea of the legalities, but what good is an unloaded gun (that's in a safe!)?

I'd hate to derail this thread, but speaking WITHIN THE CONFINES of the subject of these fires, how the hell does a gun safe get riddled with holes without loaded guns in it? It's already been convincingly demonstrated here in this thread that ammo alone isn't going to do it. It's irrelevant if someone had loaded guns inside a gun safe where they belong (mostly).

The point was that fire must have been insanely hot to make this happen.

And for all I know it could be 'fake news'....

I'm still trying to get my head around the concept of bullets piercing a GUN SAFE in any circumstance...

#4449138 - 11/17/18 09:24 AM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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you also have to factor in what type of safe it was, how thick the metal was, had the metal warped due to heat etc etc etc. Sometimes freak things just happen, like blowing up a house with a bomb and still finding all the good china intact.


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#4450071 - 11/22/18 11:20 PM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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This video really shows the destruction - been in California near 50 years and I've never seen it this bad - and this was posted November 14th!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=193&v=UkVdrTMZMEY

#4450073 - 11/22/18 11:21 PM Re: California fires [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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This video really shows the destruction - been in California near 50 years and I've never seen it this bad - and this was posted November 14th!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=193&v=UkVdrTMZMEY

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