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#4447113 - 11/05/18 08:49 PM Russian drydock sinks...  
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... with Kuznetsov in it.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/huge-floating-drydock-sank-and-nearly-took-russia’s-only-aircraft-carrier-it-35117

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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4447120 - 11/05/18 09:08 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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The picture they use doesnt look like the ship in it's current shape.

This is a fairly recent pic.

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#4447122 - 11/05/18 09:15 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Well, you wouldn't expect them to use the photo you posted, biggrin


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4447123 - 11/05/18 09:15 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I’m trying to feel bad about it, but can’t seem to get there.


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#4447124 - 11/05/18 09:15 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I had heard when the dry dock sank, one of the cranes collapsed onto the flight deck damaging it


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#4447245 - 11/06/18 05:35 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
I’m trying to feel bad about it, but can’t seem to get there.

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#4447254 - 11/06/18 06:02 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Is it just me or does it seem like almost everything Russian is substandard and in dis-repair?


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#4447257 - 11/06/18 06:07 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Seems the Russians are victims of their own budgetary shortfalls and constraints. Tragic for the workers and their families, but further evidence of nefarious behavior in the highest echelons of Russia's ruling leadership.

#4447259 - 11/06/18 06:13 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
Is it just me or does it seem like almost everything Russian is substandard and in dis-repair?



Look at it this way,


In 2017 Russia's GDP was slightly more than that of Australia which is a country with only about 15% the population. Russia simply doesn't have the money to support such a huge military infrastructure and force composition.


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#4447269 - 11/06/18 07:06 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Nixer
Is it just me or does it seem like almost everything Russian is substandard and in dis-repair?



Look at it this way,


In 2017 Russia's GDP was slightly more than that of Australia which is a country with only about 15% the population. Russia simply doesn't have the money to support such a huge military infrastructure and force composition.



And yet they still retain a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons and have a leadership desperate to maintain it past status as a world power.... that is a dangerous recipe.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4


And yet they still retain a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons and have a leadership desperate to maintain it past status as a world power.... that is a dangerous recipe.



Only two things are preventing Russia from losing all of its global influence: Nukes and oil. I can certainly see why the Russian leadership is desperate to hold onto them.


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#4447279 - 11/06/18 07:55 PM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Nixer
Is it just me or does it seem like almost everything Russian is substandard and in dis-repair?



Look at it this way,


In 2017 Russia's GDP was slightly more than that of Australia which is a country with only about 15% the population. Russia simply doesn't have the money to support such a huge military infrastructure and force composition.


Their military budget is technically adequate, given their relatively modest military goals, however the problem lies with the notoriously apathetic Russian character.

Lots of things that should be taken for granted simply don't get done in Russia, unless those responsible are given strong motivation.

This was certainly the case even back in Soviet times when they basically wrote a blank cheque as far as military spending.

#4447314 - 11/07/18 12:15 AM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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France has a larger GDP than Russia.


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#4447316 - 11/07/18 12:30 AM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Still can’t seem to get to where I feel bad about it. So I guess that I am just going to accept that I don’t.


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#4447317 - 11/07/18 12:33 AM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: Mad Max]  
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Originally Posted by Mad Max
France has a larger GDP than Russia.


Not in PPP terms, where they're number 6 in the world, just behind Germany.

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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
Still can’t seem to get to where I feel bad about it. So I guess that I am just going to accept that I don’t.


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#4447321 - 11/07/18 01:07 AM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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The Soviet/Russian Navy has never been much to write about (with apologies to Mr. Clancy).

Their military strength lies in lots and lots of people and lots and lots of stuff. It's an old doctrine they have - "Quantity has it's own quality."


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#4447322 - 11/07/18 01:55 AM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Nixer
Is it just me or does it seem like almost everything Russian is substandard and in dis-repair?



Look at it this way,


In 2017 Russia's GDP was slightly more than that of Australia which is a country with only about 15% the population. Russia simply doesn't have the money to support such a huge military infrastructure and force composition.


You’d think they would have learned about being bankrupted by unsustainable military spending back in the 80s.


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#4447327 - 11/07/18 02:20 AM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: NH2112]  
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Originally Posted by NH2112

You’d think they would have learned about being bankrupted by unsustainable military spending back in the 80s.


They weren't really running their own country at that point...

#4447367 - 11/07/18 11:16 AM Re: Russian drydock sinks... [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I thought it was so dilapidated it's more of a liability. Doesn't it go everywhere with support ships,like a sea-borne road-side rescue.

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