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#4443256 - 10/11/18 10:13 AM Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts  
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First time this has happened in 40+ years.

US, Russia space crew aborts mission after booster failure


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#4443257 - 10/11/18 10:19 AM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Good to see the emergency procedure worked out.


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#4443261 - 10/11/18 10:57 AM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: F4UDash4]  
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According to the below an engine exploded. This incident along with the purposefully drilled hole recently discovered in an on orbit Soyuz capsule is not good news for the Russian space program, nor the US program that depends on it as a taxi service. NASA needs to get the funds flowing that insures SpaceX Dragon 2 flies with crew SOON.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...onauts-return-Earth-ballistic-entry.html


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#4443270 - 10/11/18 01:47 PM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Glad they are OK.


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#4443277 - 10/11/18 02:24 PM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I miss the space shuttle. frown Hubble lost another gyro and we've no way to repair it.

I'm glad I got to see a launch in person, though. Coolest thing ever.

Agree on Space X, or something. We can't rely on our enemy any longer for travel to space.

#4443279 - 10/11/18 02:34 PM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Let's be honest here. The space shuttle was little more than a glorified supply truck. It was not space exploration by any means.

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#4443282 - 10/11/18 02:49 PM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Let's be honest here. The space shuttle was little more than a glorified supply truck. It was not space exploration by any means.



A very expensive supply truck. But NASA is doing it's best with SLS / Orion to make Shuttle look cheap by comparison. Meanwhile SpaceX and Blue Origin are slashing the cost of space access.


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#4443362 - 10/11/18 11:03 PM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: F4UDash4]  
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#4443364 - 10/11/18 11:22 PM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Let's be honest here. The space shuttle was little more than a glorified supply truck. It was not space exploration by any means.


The shuttle was never intended to be used for space exploration. It was strictly a LEO vehicle and nothing more--and space truck was absolutely in its job description, along with extravehicular activities such as servicing satellites, conducting research and eventually construction of the ISS(which it was quite instrumental in helping us complete). While expensive, the machine had definite utility and helped to get us to where we are now in space.

I know the latest, trendy thing is to kick the old bird while she's down, but she was pretty inspirational for her time, and inspiration is what leads our youth to pursue science instead of the easiest, quickest path towards money.

#4443366 - 10/11/18 11:40 PM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I find it somewhat amazing that the old R7 Booster is still so reliable. There have been very few failures from this design. Hard to remember that it was the first ICBM and was the mainstay of the Vostoks, Soyuzes etc for over 60 years whilst other, sexier systems came and went.

What could NASA have achieved if the Saturn V have been continued in service, not for the Apollo missions necessarily, but as a workhorse.


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#4443523 - 10/13/18 01:02 AM Re: Soyuz on its way to ISS Aborts [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Let's be honest here. The space shuttle was little more than a glorified supply truck. It was not space exploration by any means.


Nonsense - PLENTY of science was done on the shuttle, and also it was space survival exploration, space operations exploration, and yes on top of that it was a supply truck too.

If we get a manned mission to Mars going the experiences gained through the shuttle will be playing a HUGE part in it.

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Counter-intutively, this might actually delay SpaceX getting manned missions going. If the Russians keep manned launches grounded long enough while trying to figure this problem out and addressing it, the current inhabitants of the ISS may have to come back down (Soyuz capsule that is there as a lifeboat has a limited time that it can stay in space). The Russians can extend that somewhat by launching an unmanned Soyuz to swap out, but that can only buy so much of an extension.

NASA says it wants the ISS already manned for observation of any manned tests of SpaceX or Boeing capsules.

I can understand NASA wanting to be extra careful about the ISS as it is a large investment... but SpaceX has successfully docked unmanned Dragon capsules already, so it seems unwise to possibly put that obstacle in the way.


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