#4443013 - 10/09/18 04:31 PM
Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Hello gents (and ladies, if any),
I currently have a moderately-powered rig with an Intel® Core i3-8100 Processor (6M Cache, 3.60 GHz), with a GeForce 1060 (6GB RAM) and 16GB of RAM.
I haven't messed with DCS for a year or so, but have been tempted by the new F-18 and Persian Gulf map (and the forthcoming F-14...due out sometime before 2045).
Should I even bother? I've heard that the sim is all but unplayable unless you have 32GB of RAM. Can that possibly be true?
If so, does DCS have any plans on optimizing their code to run better on a regular ol' computer?
Also, I only have 110GB of free HD space. How much does DCS World and just the F-18 and Persian Gulf map take up?
Thanks in advance for your thoughtful responses guys, I appreciate your input.
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#4443028 - 10/09/18 05:52 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Hello gents (and ladies, if any),
I currently have a moderately-powered rig with an Intel® Core i3-8100 Processor (6M Cache, 3.60 GHz), with a GeForce 1060 (6GB RAM) and 16GB of RAM.
I haven't messed with DCS for a year or so, but have been tempted by the new F-18 and Persian Gulf map (and the forthcoming F-14...due out sometime before 2045).
Should I even bother? I've heard that the sim is all but unplayable unless you have 32GB of RAM. Can that possibly be true? [Un]fortunately, I decided to build my PC with 32 GB of RAM because I got a pretty good deal on it. I haven't tried to install on my other computer, but it's a laptop anyway. All I can really say on this is that I don't recall seeing DCS using over half of my RAM, but obviously take the word of someone with a 16GB machine over mine. Your graphics card is newer mine (970) so assuming you don't get bogged down on RAM you should be able to run on medium-high settings depending on your resolution and preferences. I've had good performance with 2.5 since launch, my biggest gripe would be a bit more slow down than I'd like on larger missions with lots of planes in the air, although I did this primarily in earlier patches. I haven't done a stress test on the current release, but it feels a little better. If so, does DCS have any plans on optimizing their code to run better on a regular ol' computer? There has been some talk about optimization, most recently upgrading to Vulkan API, which should improve performance in general. I don't know if this will result in lowered recommended settings though. I don't really know much about the current status of this work. Also, I only have 110GB of free HD space. How much does DCS World and just the F-18 and Persian Gulf map take up? I can't check on my machine right now, but from some other users, it sounds like over 25 GB: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=208789https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=206340I say over because the map was recently updated and is probably larger than it was when those posts were made. 110 should be enough for a map and a module. I believe you can also download them both before buying, you just won't be able to use them.
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#4443112 - 10/10/18 03:54 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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DCS runs great for me, including the Hornet. Specs in my sig (in other words, no you don't need 32GB of RAM).
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#4443121 - 10/10/18 06:08 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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DCS runs great for me, including the Hornet. Specs in my sig (in other words, no you don't need 32GB of RAM). On what settings though...
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#4443214 - 10/10/18 08:52 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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DCS runs great for me, including the Hornet. Specs in my sig (in other words, no you don't need 32GB of RAM). On what settings though... Medium or high mostly. I don't have it all in front of me. Whatever the settings, they are good enough to make the sim look amazing and run smoothly (or smooth enough for me). I should add that I do have DCS installed on a SSD. Helped a lot with some stutters.
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#4443233 - 10/11/18 12:13 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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The base install of 2.5.3 plus only the Hornet module is 83 GB in space. I second the recommendation for a SSD, even better a M.2 Nvme drive. Having flown in IL2 1946, IL2 BOS , ROF and MS FS X, I would say that DCS 2.5.3 is coming along very nicely. The VR experience is now about the same as IL2 BOS (which means it is excellent) and the sim is compatible with the Oculus Rift, HTC Vive and Vive Pro, Samsung Odyssey and others headsets. (But you will need a good system to take advantage of VR)
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#4446376 - 10/31/18 06:52 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Another vote for SSD. If nothing else, DCS often has some VERY long load times, especially after an update is run, so an SSD is a huge help here. As other have said, bench mark using the free version first.
Also, as a hornet owner, I'd say it's a must have (even in it's current state) if you're a huge fan of the aircraft and naval aviation in general. There's still a lot of stuff coming, but enough to keep one busy (even just learning the finer points of carrier based aviation), and basic A2A and A2G operations. I'll simply say that I'm having fun with it, and feel my money is well spent.
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#4446560 - 11/02/18 01:32 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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I just upgraded from 8Gb of ram to 16Gb. Rest of specs core I5 2.8Ghz, GtX970, ssd.
Game moved from very unpleasant to play (eternal load times, hiccups during play) to playable with good graphics. Optimization is still vastly inferior to any other game/sim I play (46,BoX,BMS,arma3, elite, ..... ), and after 2/3 games I need to restart to avoid freezes. However loadtimes are now bearable, no hiccups during 1/2 flights and correct fps. I still have delays when pressing f2 for externals on loading the scenery (therés water where there should be mountains, until they finally load). Some 3D models are ugly (su34, B52), most are ranging from nice to gorgeous.
They deleted the ability to magnify distant planes so you feel totally blind in visual combat unless your radar has locked or you've been lucky enough to spot the aircraft at the right time (that is well in killing range from aim9s).
Right now mig29 is my ride, PFM still needs some work imo (autostability reacts somewhat strangely at times) but it's going the su25T way which was very enjoyable.
Solo campaign works so far, hope that the dynamic 3rd party engine will too.
To wrap it up, yes it's worth a revisit, but 16Gb ram and a SSD are necessary due to abysmal optimization.
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#4446748 - 11/03/18 05:24 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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I look forward to upgrading to 16 Gbs ram and an SSD I can play basic missions with little or no performance issues Load times are a pain, I recall after one of the updates load times had significantly improved. Not so much after the next update
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#4447329 - 11/07/18 02:39 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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I look forward to upgrading to 16 Gbs ram and an SSD I can play basic missions with little or no performance issues Load times are a pain, I recall after one of the updates load times had significantly improved. Not so much after the next update My sentiments exactly. And the same upgrading needs. When it takes longer to load then get shot down, well...
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#4447511 - 11/08/18 02:28 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Ikes Blade_M sounds like you have had a bad experience It is what it is. No hard feelings. I just want people to know to steer clear of VEAO in any way shape or form or on any platform as you may never get what you pay for. Of course the main excuses I have received in the last almost 4 years on the ED Forums is, well ED keeps changing DCS and, VEAO is comprised of producers who do this in their spare time so you should expect long development cycles. Really, common that is just stupid. Almost 4 years and nothing has been produced for the 40$ I spent with them. That speaks for itself. ED allowing this also speaks for itself. My only recourse is to re post the above statement about once a month on key DCS Forums so others can avoid what I have experienced. I have it saved on my Desk top as a a text file titled " SCAM" so I won't forget. I have a memory like an elephant. S!Blade<><
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#4447527 - 11/08/18 07:17 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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I have to agree , VEAO with its #%&*$# hawk show is something that makes any other my modules feel awesome even with bugs Only module that was uber #%&*$# is VEAO HAWK , its uber messy pile of crap even today. And VEAO still just gives #%&*$# exuces.. But DCS is getting better, progress is slow but its fun sim now. And it would be least 20% better if ED just kick VEAO's ass out of door. SHORT GUIDE TO DCS : DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM VEAO. Remember that and you are good
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#4447534 - 11/08/18 09:14 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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worth coming back to? nope, give it a miss. Even the crappy hornet release has not convinced me to dust off the HOTAS warthog. maybe when the tomcat comes out after alpha\beta I might consider plugging the stick\throttles back into the usb ports....
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#4447535 - 11/08/18 09:15 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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I have to agree , VEAO with its #%&*$# hawk show is something that makes any other my modules feel awesome even with bugs Only module that was uber #%&*$# is VEAO HAWK , its uber messy pile of crap even today. And VEAO still just gives #%&*$# exuces.. But DCS is getting better, progress is slow but its fun sim now. And it would be least 20% better if ED just kick VEAO's ass out of door. SHORT GUIDE TO DCS : DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM VEAO. Remember that and you are good I'm quite sure you have trolled my posts regarding the hawk over the years during and after my scathing review....I saved this post for future reference.
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#4447536 - 11/08/18 09:16 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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I look forward to upgrading to 16 Gbs ram and an SSD I can play basic missions with little or no performance issues Load times are a pain, I recall after one of the updates load times had significantly improved. Not so much after the next update ^^ one of the very few actually productive posts you have made bisher....keep up the good work.
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#4447583 - 11/08/18 03:27 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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What you mean ? I have to agree , VEAO with its #%&*$# hawk show is something that makes any other my modules feel awesome even with bugs Only module that was uber #%&*$# is VEAO HAWK , its uber messy pile of crap even today. And VEAO still just gives #%&*$# exuces.. But DCS is getting better, progress is slow but its fun sim now. And it would be least 20% better if ED just kick VEAO's ass out of door. SHORT GUIDE TO DCS : DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM VEAO. Remember that and you are good I'm quite sure you have trolled my posts regarding the hawk over the years during and after my scathing review....I saved this post for future reference. ?? Im not sure what you mean. When i first got hawk i was quite optimistic , but not anymore. Other modules = hornet , viggen , and mirage are great. Get updates etc.. You sound like ICE2 ..
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#4447656 - 11/08/18 10:16 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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I look forward to upgrading to 16 Gbs ram and an SSD I can play basic missions with little or no performance issues Load times are a pain, I recall after one of the updates load times had significantly improved. Not so much after the next update ^^ one of the very few actually productive posts you have made bisher....keep up the good work. lol Winfield you're a real sweetheart I like to think my screenshot posts are a little more productive than the post you are referring to
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#4447742 - 11/09/18 07:59 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Strait of hornuz runs fine, only dubai is bit heavy but your system will be just fine.
Even my medicore system runs it great.
Its quite nice map.
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#4447775 - 11/09/18 03:42 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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How is the new map of the Strait of Hornuz in terms of performance: does it perform more like the Georgia/Nevada maps or like Normandy? I don't fly non VR anymore, so anything that performs like the Normandy is useless to me. Just for reference, SoH was renamed to the Persian Gulf map. It runs well for me, I'm currently making a campaign (slowly) on the map with a fair amount of units and I'm not having any issues with performance. The only exception being setting clouds to 10, which destroyed my FPS. On the other hand I don't have any issues with Normandy, but I've only really used it for free flights given the state of the WWII AI.
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#4448419 - 11/13/18 06:29 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Persian gulf runs even better than caucasus (less trees etc.. , lots of sand ) , only dubai is bit heavy to fps.
Least in my potato rig.
I fly only VR.
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#4455433 - 12/30/18 10:02 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Persian gulf is a clear favourite until Razbam release The faulklands then we will see.
Is that happening?
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#4455434 - 12/30/18 10:08 PM
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#4455441 - 12/30/18 11:35 PM
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Persian gulf is a clear favourite until Razbam release The faulklands then we will see.
Is that happening? a map that included the southern half of Chile and the whole of Argentina as well as the Falklands and South Georgia perhaps ? maybe extending north to RAF Ascension Island so that we could have a Vulcan bomber for Black Buck missions and maybe a Sea King helicopter as well for the SAS Commando Raid that crashed in Chile. that would be epic. I have to admit. In the recent weeks since VEAO shut up shop, I downloaded DCS again and purchased Persian Gulf. Razbams harrier is on sale and I thought Id give it a go. I've actually been enjoying both modules. Harrier has a couple of sound bugs here and there but overall it has been quite entertaining. Persian gulf is a clear favourite until Razbam release The faulklands then we will see.
Razbam like Carenado is based in Latin America, but I have no idea where.
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#4455474 - 12/31/18 08:28 AM
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Persian gulf is a clear favourite until Razbam release The faulklands then we will see.
Is that happening? a map that included the southern half of Chile and the whole of Argentina as well as the Falklands and South Georgia perhaps ? maybe extending north to RAF Ascension Island so that we could have a Vulcan bomber for Black Buck missions and maybe a Sea King helicopter as well for the SAS Commando Raid that crashed in Chile. that would be epic. I would love to see that kind of terrain implemented into DCS by a 3rd party. If Nichole Birkett puts as much effort into modelling terrain as she does modelling in her instagram photos, we can be assured what ever Razbam release will be of high quality.:) I have to admit. In the recent weeks since VEAO shut up shop, I downloaded DCS again and purchased Persian Gulf. Razbams harrier is on sale and I thought Id give it a go. I've actually been enjoying both modules. Harrier has a couple of sound bugs here and there but overall it has been quite entertaining. Persian gulf is a clear favourite until Razbam release The faulklands then we will see.
Razbam like Carenado is based in Latin America, but I have no idea where. Neither do I, however so far the quality of the releases have been exceptional. I have spent a few more hours in the harrier the last couple of days, yes it has it's short comings in terms of bugs but overall it really is a joy to fly. Anyone else here enjoy it?
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#4455481 - 12/31/18 10:16 AM
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Neither do I, however so far the quality of the releases have been exceptional. I have spent a few more hours in the harrier the last couple of days, yes it has it's short comings in terms of bugs but overall it really is a joy to fly. Anyone else here enjoy it?
oddly enough, I never bought anything from them either for FSX, P3D or DCS. That's a fair enough assessment. FSX I tested the Intruder and Corsair "unofficially' of course. X-plane and P3d are a different story, I haven't bought Razbam products for those. I didn't mind the Intruder and corsair....I just didn't get the later updates to them
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#4455614 - 01/01/19 06:53 AM
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If Nichole Birkett puts as much effort into modelling terrain as she does modelling in her instagram photos, we can be assured what ever Razbam release will be of high quality.:)
Link? By the way, RAZBAM is from Uruguay. Personally, i'm mostly waiting for the MiG's 19 and 23 from them. I skipped the Mirage because people say it is basically a clickable FC 3, with subsystems like hydraulics and for failures not modelled. And I doubt DCS can simulate VTOL aircraft accurately. Thankfully the MiG-19 is just around the corner, and I really hope it will be as excellent and fun as the MiG-15
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#4455749 - 01/02/19 08:29 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Iran has F-5's, the straight of homuz was a main part of the persian gulf map.....one would think they would have got the countries right on what aircraft belonged to what nation. In the editor, set Iran as redfor, then try and assign them an F-5, They may not have them around today but I am certain they had them back in the Iraq\Iran conflict. Interesting though is you can assign the F-5 to Russia.....in the only default american livery of course.
You have to choose the F-5E-3. This one has all the iranian skins.
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#4455750 - 01/02/19 10:04 AM
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Iran has F-5's, the straight of homuz was a main part of the persian gulf map.....one would think they would have got the countries right on what aircraft belonged to what nation. In the editor, set Iran as redfor, then try and assign them an F-5, They may not have them around today but I am certain they had them back in the Iraq\Iran conflict. Interesting though is you can assign the F-5 to Russia.....in the only default american livery of course.
You have to choose the F-5E-3. This one has all the iranian skins. Cheers mate, I'll have another look. Edit: Righto....here is how it looks. when placing the F5 it looks like this I'm left clicking to place the unit and nothing is happening. so I crank up the next F5..... left click....it won't place in the editor on either aircraft. The Red one in both pics is the Russian F5 that will place. I do not want to fly it, I want it to be an AI controlled enemy aircraft. The problem is, the aircraft just won't place at any airport with Iran selected as the country. Now before someone says it's because I have it set as CAP in the task, I have tried the task on 'nothing' and same problem. Any ideas? Because the Russian one works.
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#4455777 - 01/02/19 02:39 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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@Winfield,
The map is still WIP. Start them in the air for now, it's what I had to do. Having said that, IIRC Bandar-e-Jask is also a bit of a short runway for F-5's.
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#4455798 - 01/02/19 06:44 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Hi Winfield,
I just tried it in the editor - works fine for me -
PG map Iran selected on red side Add new group, select Iran and F-5E3 Place Select start on ramp, parking, runway etc Change skins (several Iranian ones)
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#4455844 - 01/02/19 10:24 PM
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Hi Winfield,
I just tried it in the editor - works fine for me -
PG map Iran selected on red side Add new group, select Iran and F-5E3 Place Select start on ramp, parking, runway etc Change skins (several Iranian ones) Thanks mdwa, I restarted the game, created a new mission and it works.
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#4455879 - 01/03/19 02:26 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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I have to admit. In the recent weeks since VEAO shut up shop, I downloaded DCS again and purchased Persian Gulf. Razbams harrier is on sale and I thought Id give it a go. I've actually been enjoying both modules. Harrier has a couple of sound bugs here and there but overall it has been quite entertaining. Persian gulf is a clear favourite until Razbam release The faulklands then we will see.
Have you tried any of these training missions for the Harrier? I might try them tonight. I've had the HArrier since last sale but haven't had the time yet... https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zR6sSzWgYRCmsClKrfUTAg7nt145_-xD
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#4455899 - 01/03/19 09:14 AM
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I have to admit. In the recent weeks since VEAO shut up shop, I downloaded DCS again and purchased Persian Gulf. Razbams harrier is on sale and I thought Id give it a go. I've actually been enjoying both modules. Harrier has a couple of sound bugs here and there but overall it has been quite entertaining. Persian gulf is a clear favourite until Razbam release The faulklands then we will see.
Have you tried any of these training missions for the Harrier? I might try them tonight. I've had the HArrier since last sale but haven't had the time yet... https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zR6sSzWgYRCmsClKrfUTAg7nt145_-xD I just downloaded them, haven't had a crack yet. Let me know how you go. I heard Baltic Dragon was making the official training missions for the harrier. I am not able to confirm that though. Edit: looks like I heard correctly Harrier training No idea if they are the same missions you posted mdwa
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#4455900 - 01/03/19 10:06 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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Hi mate, I just found them here: https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=598Not sure if the first post or second is the most up to date, but will try some of them tonight. Tried a quick flight last night, loaded 1/2 fuel no stores and took off vertically somewhere in Nevada, did some bog laps and then attempted a vertical landing, landed ok but it probably didn't look too good... I've mapped the nozzle to the grey "friction lever" axis which I normally use for zoom and remapped zoom to my china hat switch (I'm not on VR yet). Seen some others use the left throttle for nozzle, but the slider felt easier for me... Which do you use? I might get these printed up at the local 3D place - looks like a cool idea: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=217091
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#4455902 - 01/03/19 10:25 AM
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Hi mate, I just found them here: https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=598Not sure if the first post or second is the most up to date, but will try some of them tonight. Tried a quick flight last night, loaded 1/2 fuel no stores and took off vertically somewhere in Nevada, did some bog laps and then attempted a vertical landing, landed ok but it probably didn't look too good... I've mapped the nozzle to the grey "friction lever" axis which I normally use for zoom and remapped zoom to my china hat switch (I'm not on VR yet). Seen some others use the left throttle for nozzle, but the slider felt easier for me... Which do you use? I might get these printed up at the local 3D place - looks like a cool idea: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=217091Same as you, I don't use VR, graphics in DCS are just not yet up to scratch on the vids that have been posted to youtube as recently as in the F-18. Probably still 2 years away before I invest in a headset. I use the friction slider as well for the nozzle's. I find it a waste using the throttle levers as the nozzle setting. The friction extension link you posted seems a worthy investment, I'm in central QLD, not many 3d printing places here, let me know how you get on if you get one made up from the link you posted. Side note: VR has been out on DCS for some time, to see what I mean about latest youtube vids on in game, just look for that E.D Lemon bloke who was a former F-18 pilot but feels the need to satisfy the hoards on the difference between 'real' and 'make believe' Look for my comment on one of E.D Lemons vids having a crack at the other side of the hills forum fanboi offering zero advice to 'Lemon'
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#4456027 - 01/04/19 06:15 AM
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Well, I didn't do any flights, but spent the time to map all my controls in Target last night... I downloaded all the missions from https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=197787 and they seem ok from a quick look, also downloaded this Kneeboard docs: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3267915/I've ordered the nozzle lever setup from a local 3d printer - it was AU$28 for all black or AU$33 for yellow lever and black brackets. So I got the yellow... Will post some pics and a report when I get it... I looked up Lemon DCS on youtube and at first all I got was lemon tarts and something about Sasquatch... but then I found it under C.W. Lemoine...
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#4456029 - 01/04/19 07:32 AM
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Linked Haha, I thought you meant 3D Modelling! obviously the 'official testers' have spent too much time in the F-18 and not enough time testing the persian gulf map for errors.
Iran has F-5's, the straight of homuz was a main part of the persian gulf map.....one would think they would have got the countries right on what aircraft belonged to what nation. In the editor, set Iran as redfor, then try and assign them an F-5, They may not have them around today but I am certain they had them back in the Iraq\Iran conflict. Interesting though is you can assign the F-5 to Russia.....in the only default american livery of course.
Not enough of a reason to uninstall DCS....just stating the obvious of what should have been fixed before release.
Seriously, if ED are going to release a map and spent a few thousand hours modelling it, least they could do is add aircraft skins to countries of origin and assign them to be used in the ME
Oh, they did the same in Caucasus. It took me a while to figure out that the MiG-15 isn't bugged, but that ED doesn't recognise it as a USSR aircraft so no USSR liveries for the Soviet airforce but a North Korean livery instead! These are just the lack of effort things we need to accept I suppose, with the blatant aircraft and map inaccuracies being the real problem.
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#4456036 - 01/04/19 11:43 AM
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Happy New Year! From all of us at Eagle Dynamics, we want to wish you a happy new year and every success and happiness for 2019! We look forward to sharing it with you, and we have many exciting projects during 2019! What follows is a listing of aircraft projects that we and our valued-partners will be working on in 2019. We do not expect for all these projects to be released in 2019, but this is where our focus will be this year.
In next week’s newsletter we’ll talk about the non-aircraft projects that we’ll be working on during 2019.
DCS: MiG-19P by RAZBAM Simulations
The DCS: MiG-19P by RAZBAM will be coming later this month! This early, Russian supersonic fighter further completes the line of MiG fighters in DCS World. MiG-15bis, MiG-19P, MiG-21bis, and MiG-29. Named “Farmer” by NATO, the MiG-19 was the first production, Russian fighter capable of supersonic flight and comparable with American “Century Series” fighters like the F-100, F-105, F-106 and others.
The MiG-19 is a great addition to the stable of 1950s fighters, with more to come.
DCS: F-14 by Heatblur Simulations
Before the end of winter will see the release of the eagerly-awaited Tomcat! Brought to you by the same team the developed the extraordinary AJS-37 Viggen, the Tomcat will set new benchmarks in PC flight simulations. Following the initial release with the F-14B, the Heatblur team will follow that up with the F-14A version and a free USS Forrestal-class aircraft carrier!
Featuring front-seat and back-seat play for single and multiplayer, the Tomcat is a dominate fighter with the capability to also devastate ground targets.
Sharing the deck with Hornet’s DCS, World naval combat operations will take off in 2019.
DCS: F-16C Viper
Our next marquee title from the Eagle Dynamics studio will be the famous F-16C multi-role fighter! An aircraft we’ve long wanted to simulate, we are excited to bring this legendary aircraft to the skies of DCS World. The F-16C is already well into development alongside the F/A-18C, and both aircraft share significant technology that will benefit both.
Specifically, we will be offering the F-16CJ Block 50 variant that includes the HARM anti-radar missile and HARM Target System (HTS) pod, laser- and GPS-guided munitions, advanced air-to-air systems like the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) and AIM-9X and AIM-120 air-to-air missiles, data link systems, Sniper targeting pod, AN/APG-68 radar, and other systems.
DCS: Mi-24P Hind
We have certainly not forgotten about all the rotor-heads! Work continues the deadly Mi-24P HIND. Using many of the same systems as the Mi-8MTV2, this project is well underway and will be a great addition to the stable of DCS World helicopters.
With the advancements in our terrain technology and the ability to create much more detailed low-altitude environments, the HIND will be a joy to fly. Combining both gunship and troop-carry abilities, the Mi-24P will certainly result in outstanding missions and campaigns.
Being a two-seat aircraft, the HIND will be a particularly interesting aircraft to fly with a friend online.
DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, DCS: de Havilland Mosquito FB Mk.VI, and DCS: Fw 190 A-8 Shrike
These three of these aircraft are well underway and we plan to release or more in 2019. With the addition of the new damage model, dynamic campaign, new World War II maps, and more units added to the World War II Assets Pack like the Ju-88, Bf 109G, C-47, A-20G, and others, DCS World War II will continue to grow and bring great new gameplay!
Other Aircraft
Other new aircraft in development for 2019 are the DCS: JF-17 by Deka Ironworks and the DCS: I-16 by OctopusG.
DCS: F/A-18C Hornet
Although not a new aircraft for 2019, the Hornet will certainly be a huge focus for us with the addition of the AGM-88 HARM, ATFLIR targeting pod, datalink and IFF systems, GPS- and INS-guided weapons, standoff weapons like Harpoon, SLAM, SLAM-ER, and Walleye, as well as continued work on the flight dynamics, navigation system, air-to-surface radar, Track While Scan and other air-to-air radar modes and sub-modes, and defensive systems. The Hornet has been and will continue to be a massive and complex project.
Updating the Hangar, A-10C and Ka-50 Although we have a large set of new aircraft being worked on, it by no means that the older aircraft have been forgotten. Quite the contrary. Just like the recent update to the P-51D, Bf 109 K-4, Fw 190 D-9, and Spitfire LF Mk.IX, we will continue to update older products as their technology lags behind our current capabilities. The two biggest such projects being worked on for 2019 are overhauls of the cockpits and external models of the DCS: A-10C Warthog and DCS: Ka-50 Black Shark. Some good things coming to DCS, looking forward to the updates to the A-10 and Ka-50, not so much the WW2 crap, the Mi-24 caught my attention though
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#4456061 - 01/04/19 05:07 PM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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This was in the Weekend News email:
'These three aircraft are well underway and we plan to release one or more in 2019. With the addition of the new damage model, dynamic campaign, new World War II maps, and more units added to the World War II Assets Pack like the Ju-88, Bf 109G, C-47, A-20G, and others, DCS World War II will continue to grow and bring great new gameplay!'
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#4456067 - 01/04/19 06:46 PM
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In next week’s newsletter we’ll talk about the non-aircraft projects that we’ll be working on during 2019. ""
Thas what i wait, in facebook nineline tell that some dynamic campaing info will be there. (there was guy that asked and nineline tell him that in next week more info. )
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#4456133 - 01/05/19 02:47 AM
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Do they delete anything to do with Mbot's DCE now, or you mean when they put their own DC out to prevent competition?
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#4456141 - 01/05/19 07:05 AM
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So I was just looking into and reading about Mbot's DCE and saw this interesting snippet: Originally Posted by MBot As usual with custom solutions, ED has changed some things, breaking my own implementation. With 2 or 3 wingmen, AI leader will no longer climb with out-of formation wingmen even if these wingmen have their own egress tasking. The wingmen will still climb according to their own tasking but the leader will egress at 1000 m, refusing to climb without his flight in formation. Weirdly, the AI leader will climb with only one wingman though with the same setup, but not 2 or 3. So with the usual flights of 4, this means that leaders will again hang low over the target area, getting shot down frequently.
Very confusing and extremely frustrating, considering one month ago everything was working great.
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#4456251 - 01/06/19 05:50 AM
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DCS Middle east could be of interest.... Project Middle East The “Middle East” project is a unique theater of operations, which includes missions and companies of military confrontation in the Middle East from the mid-1970s to the present.
This project allows users to use virtually the entire arsenal of military equipment and DCS aircraft and includes the reproduction of the events of one of the largest military conflicts of our time:
- The War of the Doomsday of 1973;
- Lebanon war of 1982;
- The release of Syria from the terrorists in 2017.
The project will present a map of 610 * 440 km in size, which includes almost all the states on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea. It will present such large cities as Israeli Haifa and Shefaran, Lebanese Beirut and Tripoli, Turkish Adana and Gaziantep, Jordanian Irbit and Jerash, and of course the cities of the Syrian Arab Republic - Damascus, Homs, Hama, Lattakia, Iglib, Aleppo, Raqka and etc. In the project you can see the real monuments of ancient architecture - the colonnades and the amphitheater of Palmyra, the citadel of Allepo, the fortress of Krak de Chevalier, the mosque of Muhammad Al - Amin and others.
More than 20 airfields will be implemented on the map, including the international airports of Damascus and Beirut, the US airbase Incirlik. And of course, the base of the Russian VKS Hmeymim and the Navy base Tartus will be presented.
Recall that Syria is a state in the Middle East, bordering Lebanon and Israel in the southwest, with Jordan in the south, with Iraq in the east and with Turkey in the north. Washed by the Mediterranean Sea to the west. The modern statehood of Syria has a little more than 70 years, but civilization originated here as far back as the 4th millennium BC. the capital is Damascus, one of the oldest, constantly inhabited cities in the world. In addition, Damascus is also the oldest of all modern capitals in the world. Source Couple of images of the WIP on that website. Source2
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#4456262 - 01/06/19 09:08 AM
Re: Is DCS worth coming back to?
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After the #%&*$# job they did on the Normandy map, i'm not holding my hopes up for this to be any good. 610*440 is the largest map to date though, and the region has a lot of gorges that should be great fun to fly through, so perhaps I'll buy it if the environment is done justice. I'm glad that they found out what the geographical location of Syria is, and that " civilization originated here as far back as the 4th millennium BC.", even though by that time civilization had already spread to all corners of the globe.... The region was important in ancient times because it was the starting ground of the Copper Age, but calling it "origin of civlization" is just another proof that the people that work on these sims didn't pay attention in school and now try to Wikipedia/Google their way out of it. I'm glad to see that Ugra Media is responsible for both the Normandy map and Il-2 maps though. There was a discussion on SimHQ a couple of years ago why both sims have these weird oversaturated colors to simulate western europe. Now we know why .
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#4456266 - 01/06/19 09:46 AM
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After the #%&*$# job they did on the Normandy map, i'm not holding my hopes up for this to be any good. 610*440 is the largest map to date though, and the region has a lot of gorges that should be great fun to fly through, so perhaps I'll buy it if the environment is done justice. I'm glad that they found out what the geographical location of Syria is, and that " civilization originated here as far back as the 4th millennium BC.", even though by that time civilization had already spread to all corners of the globe.... The region was important in ancient times because it was the starting ground of the Copper Age, but calling it "origin of civlization" is just another proof that the people that work on these sims didn't pay attention in school and now try to Wikipedia/Google their way out of it. I'm glad to see that Ugra Media is responsible for both the Normandy map and Il-2 maps though. There was a discussion on SimHQ a couple of years ago why both sims have these weird oversaturated colors to simulate western europe. Now we know why . I have Normandy, I flew in it for about half an hour. You are right about the oversaturated colors, that was enough for me to shelve it as an option in the installer. WW2 just isn't my thing in DCS, Spent enough time in WW2 aircraft in the likes of like Il-2, CFS, SWOTL etc. I would like to see DCS spend some time on the Combined arms module, especially if they created realistic ground pounder soldiers for MP. Somethine along the lines of BIS's VBS2 or even if it was of arma2 graphics engine instead of arma3. eg; be a grunt\MP fireteam, be inserted by UH-1, move building to building, cover to cover, and the ability to climb to the top of a building, lase targets for Air support. The graphics for AI grunts currently is pathetic, cheap 2d paper cut outs. Needs an overhaul. Still in the same state as FC1\FC2 All well and good to be building these terrains for air junkies, no love for people who wish to fight on the ground.
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#4457123 - 01/13/19 01:54 PM
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Certainly it sounds great, but we are still waiting from stuff from the previous year previews 2018 DCS World 2.5 by the end of January - DCS: F/A-18C Hornet - DCS: Strait of Hormuz Map - DCS: F-14 Tomcat - DCS: JF-17 - DCS: MiG-19 - DCS: Mi-24P Hind - DCS: F-4E Phantom II - DCS: Bo-105 - C-101CC variant for the DCS: C-101 module - DCS: Yak-52 - DCS: I-16 - DCS: Christen Eagle II - New aircraft carriers - Other new maps and continued updates to our existing maps - Several other unannounced projects
We will also be working on improvements to clouds [don't know if this happened] , explosions with improved proximity damage, virtual reality, spotting system, network play [don't know if this happened] , Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR), air-to-air missiles, and performance optimization with the inclusion of the Vulkan API. In parallel, we will continue to support and improve our existing modules. [well, kind of, sort of repairing bugs after multiple years of being there, with the MiG-15 repaired in december, but the F-86, UH-1, Mi-8, Spitfire and Yak-52 being as broken as ever, together with the FC3 tutorials and missions, and the NTTR missing from the NTTR map] With the pending release of DCS World 2.5 which will unify our projects and several exiting new modules, we see 2018 as being a great year to be a DCS World fan! 2017 -DCS: Normandy 1944 [made with 0 care for historical accuracy, together with its WWII assets] -New aircraft damage model systems. -Unpaved airfields. [don't know if this has been implemented]
2016 -wrap up the L-39 Albatros with the addition of the L-39ZA version -finish the Spitfire IX in mid-2016 -followed by the P-47D at the end of the year. [now perhaps/maybe scheduled for late 2019, full 3 years off the mark] -We will also continue to fine-tune the P-51D, Fw 190 and Bf 109. [still hasn't been done, with the cooling being what it is] -a new 3D external model for the MiG-29 -incorporation of the Professional Fight Models (PFM) to both the Su-33 and MiG-29. [Su-33 PFM released december 2017, MiG-29 PFM still WIP] -DCS: NEVADA Test and Training Range map is being enhanced with the addition of:
Tonopah Air Force Base New casino/hotels in the Las Vegas strip A number of airfields and landing strips in the central (detailed) portion of the map The National Training Center (NTC) Improved grass and ground clutter Plus a host of minor improvements - DCS: Strait of Hormuz [launched in 2018] -1944 Northern France [morphed into Normandy 1944, launched in 2017] - We see 2016 as a big year for aircraft carrier operations as we plan to release both Nimitz-class aircraft carrier and Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier modules.
So yeah, I hate to be pessimistic here, but the 2019 roadmap will probably happen in 2021, with it being completely broken for years to come.
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#4458119 - 01/21/19 01:03 AM
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HA-1112? That still sounds like an odd idea, to me. But, hey, I'd rather put that up against my Spitfire than that #%&*$# 109K.
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