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#4442135 - 10/04/18 02:59 AM Settings Matter  
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It's great to have a super video card, a fast processor, loads of memory, and a nice monitor. But even with all of these devices, image quality can vary widely depending on your settings. The problem is there are so many variables and even if you get someone else's settings, they may not work on your PC.

I bought an Nvidia 1080 ti back in August. Super card! I've loved it. But while it had good quality and a great frame rate, my image quality was still a bit disappointing.

Here's a screen shot from August 2018 to illustrate my point. The aircraft is an Albatros D I. The edges are a bit grainy and the support wires have plenty of gaps.

Since August, I've been playing around with the settings. I stopped allowing WOFF to control the graphics and, instead, started playing around with the "Manage 3D Settings" in Nvidia control. It took me about two months to get the colors the way I wanted. It's not easy. What looks good on a sunny day, will look dark on a cloudy day. I spent a lot of time in QM, pausing the sim and ALT Tabbing out to Nvidia control. This was a process that often crashed the system.

Then I went to work on the graphics settings. I tried them one at a time and stuck with the one's that seemed to make a positive difference.

Ultimately, I ended up with this, an American SPAD VII. In my opinion, it looks much better, and I've stopped fiddling around with my settings.

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#4442137 - 10/04/18 03:09 AM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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You have to go to either a higher resolution monitor (2560x1440 or 4K) or use Nvidia Inspector to get better than 8x AA.

Like I said in your other thread, your 1080 Ti can easily handle a 32" 4k G-sync monitor, because that is exactly what I upgraded to after buying my 1080 Ti card in August too.


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#4442138 - 10/04/18 03:13 AM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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I'll get there eventually. I do worry about being able to see things. How tiny will the fonts get?

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#4442166 - 10/04/18 11:18 AM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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This is why I said 32", if you get a smaller monitor than that with 4k, you better have a magnifying glass to see the fonts in the game.


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#4442172 - 10/04/18 01:12 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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Ah! Did not know that. Thanks.


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#4442173 - 10/04/18 01:26 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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Panama Red,

Which monitor model do you have? I take it you’re satisfied with it?

Thanks.

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#4442184 - 10/04/18 03:37 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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There is only ONE company that makes a 32", 4K, 16:9, G-sync monitor, and that is Acer: Amazon Acer Link

It is a really beautify monitor that allows you to see everything in great detail. Normally it goes for $1,300. but it's on sale right now below $1,000, but when you are the only game in town (for G-sync), you have the market cornered.

When using this monitor, I just use 2X AA and it is sharper than my older 2650x1440 monitor at 8X AA with no drop in FPS using the 1080 Ti video card.

I researched the monitor before buying and the only real complaint that anybody had was that the screen did not swivel to a vertical configuration, with did not bother me at all since I use it in the normal horizontal configuration.


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#4442192 - 10/04/18 04:49 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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I really like my curved monitor. But if I go that route, we’re talking QHD, rather than UHD—3400 vs 3800. Still gsync. Opinion?

Acer Predator Z35P bmiphz 35" Curved 1800R QHD (3440x1440) NVIDIA G-SYNC VA Monitor

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#4442193 - 10/04/18 04:57 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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Decisions, decisions. winkngrin

But to each, their own. yep


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#4442197 - 10/04/18 05:52 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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I always use experienced players settings as a base to further.
Check this postings on Hellshades settings and one page later mr Wiggens settings.
http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4420203/36

#4442202 - 10/04/18 06:14 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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The problem with relying on others settings is that they're often subjective, and sometimes inaccurate. A very good example is the continued recommendation to "use triple buffering if your card has enough memory" where it's long since been established that this setting doesn't apply to this sim because it uses DirectX, not OpenGL. That advice was obviously misguided, and the problem then becomes that one has little way of discerning between "good" advice and bad. Especially when it's being propagated in a document from the sim's producers.

As for monitors: I bought the 1080p version of 21:9 monitor explicitly because I didn't want to have to worry about my GPU being able to adequately drive a 4k monitor - I have a 1070Ti, and I already spent more than I should have for it. As I explained elsewhere, if you have the $, good for you. Your 1080Ti should drive 4k resolution (8.3m pixels) no problem. If I had to choose between 4k @16:9 and 3840x1600 @21:9, I'd go with the ultrawide all day long and twice on Sunday. In fact, I'm happy with 1080 @21:9, and I'd rather have this than 4k any day. The extra width (without separate monitor bezels) makes all the difference.

I also think that 21:9 is much more desired in the gaming world than 4x, most likely for the additional field of view. Not to mention that lesser GPUs can still run 21:9 at lower resolutions, where 4k demands a very expensive card even though it's FOV is only 16:9.

#4442206 - 10/04/18 06:28 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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Panama Red, your 32" 4k monitor sounds very tempting.

How close to it do you sit?

Do you also use it for general PC applications or is it strictly dedicated to gaming only?

#4442211 - 10/04/18 07:36 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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GTX EVGA 1070 owner .I went from a 24" 16:9 1080p to a 27" 16:9 1440p The difference from 1080p to 1440p for me was like night and day there,s no way absolutely no way i could go back to 1080p.

Granted Ive never tried 21:9 but i believe there,s some titles (mostly older) but also includes the witcher 3 and fallout 4 and definitely Overwatch that have "issues" with 21:9.?

If my 1070 would run 4K smooth id go 4k like a shot but im very happy with the "middle ground" 2K..Its up to the individual person what suits them best. I currently sit 18-24" away from my 27" and its quite big enough for me.

Just a quick one kksnowbear have you tried 2k 4k ? if so how did you find it compared to 1080p..because honestly pal i could never go back


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#4442212 - 10/04/18 07:41 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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Standard 24" distance, just like my 25" 16:10 monitor right beside it.

I use my 10 year old standard 25" 16:10 (1920x1200) LCD monitor for my regular PC (light gaming / internet / general use) on one side of the table.

I use the newer 32" 16:9 (3840x2160) LCD monitor with my pure Flight Sim PC (not connected to the internet) on the other side of the table.

It's only a regular 5' (60") table, but it handles both monitors easily. The nice thing about this setup is both PC's are connected with a KVM switch, so I only need one keyboard, mouse and speakers for both PCs and this gives me a lot of flexibility to do a lot of things at once (like play games and surf at the same time). With my swivel / rolling chair I can either sit in the middle and watch both monitors, or roll the chair left and right to be directly in front of either monitor if I want.


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#4442226 - 10/04/18 10:33 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Panama Red]  
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Panama, Your a multi-tasking dude!!


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#4442229 - 10/04/18 11:16 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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Originally Posted by Adger
Just a quick one kksnowbear have you tried 2k 4k ? if so how did you find it compared to 1080p..because honestly pal i could never go back


No, I haven't. I got my current curved 21:9 1080 144hz IPS GSync monitor before my current gpu, when I was still using a 780, and I felt the extra width was enough increase in pixels that anything higher would require I spend more on a gpu. And the only gpu that would make sense as an upgrade at that time would be a 1070 - and they were hovering around $500, after I'd just blown over $650 on the monitor. No way for me.

At that time, I was using a very good quality Gsync monitor, 144hz 27", and I knew I wanted 21:9, as well as curved Gsync. But, unless I wanted to spend $800+ for a monitor that had all that and 1440, *and* potentially another 500 for a new gpu to drive it...I was looking at 1080.

And I would say the same about never going back from curved 21:9. I can't imagine going back to a 16:9 monitor unless it was big enough to fill a FOV comparable to 21:9, and even that would be so big it would *have* to be curved so as to not appear distorted. Your head is curved, and so is your field of vision (actually, conical). So while I am devoutly opposed to the ridiculous idea of curved televisions, I think curved monitors are much better than flat, especially once the width increases beyond a certain point. To illustrate this, of all the 3-wide multi-monitor setups I've seen, none have had the monitors in a straight line; they're always "winged in" on the outside monitors. This is because your head represents the center pivot of a semi circular FOV; to look around, you turn your head, not slide it sideways.

Anyhow, thats why I haven't tried 2 or 4k.

#4442232 - 10/04/18 11:55 PM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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hoongadoonga:
I learned a long time ago that no matter how good your PC was, ultimately what you see is your monitor, so you better enjoy what you are looking at or you will eventually be disappointed in your set up.


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#4442237 - 10/05/18 12:35 AM Re: Settings Matter [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Originally Posted by kksnowbear


No, I haven't. I got my current curved 21:9 1080 144hz IPS GSync monitor before my current gpu, when I was still using a 780, and I felt the extra width was enough increase in pixels that anything higher would require I spend more on a gpu. And the only gpu that would make sense as an upgrade at that time would be a 1070 - and they were hovering around $500, after I'd just blown over $650 on the monitor. No way for me.

At that time, I was using a very good quality Gsync monitor, 144hz 27", and I knew I wanted 21:9, as well as curved Gsync. But, unless I wanted to spend $800+ for a monitor that had all that and 1440, *and* potentially another 500 for a new gpu to drive it...I was looking at 1080.

And I would say the same about never going back from curved 21:9.


Good points yep its all expensive,good monitors over here in blighty seem to cost a fortune. GPU,S luckily have just come down in price but i dont know what it is with EVGA products over here..their prices increase, my card is about £60 more expensive than when i purchased 2 years ago. I was lucky (i think) and got Samsung memory not the Micron stuff (Not sure if there's much difference) Overclocks like a dream though.

Il hopefully try a 21:9 or a big curved at some point although like i mentioned i couldn't personally go back to 1080P...with my current GPU it'd have to be no higher than 2K to get reasonable FPS...i suppose id better start bloody saving. yep Thanks for the advice much appreciated cheers



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hoongadoonga:
I learned a long time ago that no matter how good your PC was, ultimately what you see is your monitor, so you better enjoy what you are looking at or you will eventually be disappointed in your set up.




I never thought of it that way PR,very good point.




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#4442239 - 10/05/18 01:06 AM Re: Settings Matter [Re: Nowi]  
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Panama Red - what CPU do you have?

If I got the 4k monitor I would be using it for general PC activities too. Would there be a downside to doing that?

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Great point! And thanks for your advice.

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