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#4440196 - 09/22/18 03:51 AM Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines  
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I am going to assume however that in the rebuild process some liberties have been taken to improve reliability / durability, using modern alloys at the very least.

Paul G. Allen’s Messerschmitt Me 262 – Progress Report


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#4440198 - 09/22/18 04:10 AM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Wow. That would be another unique, historical aircraft to see flying especially at the same time with a Mustang.


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#4440219 - 09/22/18 12:18 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I hope they improve the reliability of the engines first! smile


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#4440353 - 09/23/18 02:07 AM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: semmern]  
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Originally Posted by semmern
I hope they improve the reliability of the engines first! smile

When Planes of Fame rebuilt the engines for their P-59 they used modern bearings in the rebuild of the engine. I suspect they did something similar with the rebuild of the Jumo engines for the 262, especially since Steve Hinton is going to be doing the test flights.
Steve Hinton is president of Planes of Fame in Chino, CA.


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#4440418 - 09/23/18 02:30 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I believe the original engines on the 262 also had problems with metallurgy in the turbine blades. Hence the short service life.


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#4440432 - 09/23/18 04:09 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: semmern]  
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Originally Posted by semmern
I believe the original engines on the 262 also had problems with metallurgy in the turbine blades. Hence the short service life.

Could be, but I suspect the turbine blades would have been checked with the latest technology if they were going to be reused. I would ask Steve but since it is one of Paul Allen's babies I am positive he wouldn't be able to tell me until ithe 262 flew and possibly not even then.


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#4440439 - 09/23/18 04:44 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I just cannot imagine flying anything powered by a 70 year old jet engine with 70 year old turbine blades. They just HAD TO have made new ones with modern alloys. Right?


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#4440452 - 09/23/18 06:27 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I am pretty much assuming new ones have been made, as well as an improved fuel control system that doesn’t cause compressor stalls when you add a handful of thrust.


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#4440453 - 09/23/18 06:33 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I'm always a bit sceptical what "rebuilt" means these days. As we learned (I think it was one of Dart's posts?), the only part you need is the original manufacturer plaque.

Might be the same design but with new blades, new materials and so on...

Wonder what paintjob they will use. Nowotnys?

#4440567 - 09/24/18 02:13 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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On the Facebook page I made a comment about the Jumos reliability and they said it would be made with modern materials and metals. That tells me it is based on the plans but a replica of same.


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#4440575 - 09/24/18 02:34 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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How about flying in a replica ME-163 Komet?


Now THAT would take some serious gonads. biggrin


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#4440617 - 09/24/18 06:04 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: RSColonel_131st]  
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Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st
There is one flying, you know that wink


Its a gilder only though, no rocket propulsion.

I think a Volksjager would be more scary to fly. For a plane that was meant to be flown by newbie pilots it was supposedly a real handful.

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#4440618 - 09/24/18 06:06 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: Mark Aisthorpe]  
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Originally Posted by Mark Aisthorpe
Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st
There is one flying, you know that wink


Its a gilder only though, no rocket propulsion.



Correct. No huge gonads needed if you aren't using those nasty highly corrosive rocket propellants. wink


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#4440966 - 09/26/18 08:02 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: Mark Aisthorpe]  
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Originally Posted by Mark Aisthorpe
Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st
There is one flying, you know that wink


Its a gilder only though, no rocket propulsion.

I think a Volksjager would be more scary to fly. For a plane that was meant to be flown by newbie pilots it was supposedly a real handful.


Winkle Brown told us at a lecture that he considered the He-162 one of the nicest-flying planes he had ever tried.


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#4443476 - 10/12/18 08:10 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Interesting article on the ME 262. Talks about quality of material affecting engine.

https://www.realclearhistory.com/ar...turned__ww_ii_in_germanys_favor_367.html


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#4443478 - 10/12/18 08:32 PM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Stood by this little airplane a few times.
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#4443876 - 10/16/18 02:54 AM Re: Original Me-262 to Fly with Jumo Engines [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Planes of Fame in Chino has an He-162 also.
I keep forgetting, since I can see them every weekend, how special Planes of Fame's collection truly is.


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