You're right. My comments actually did include mention of how this performs against other sims, I just didn't necessarily make direct comparisons. I said 'these sims' seem to leave a bit to be desired, and yet, in my own observation, there were others that seemed to do better than something based on CFS3 can do**

Again, I mentioned real life experience because someone else - not me - brought it up, though I don't know for sure, presumably to gauge the accuracy of individuals' perspectives. My point in doing so is that many/most of those playing these games don't actually have any real aviation experience - strictly, mind you, in response to the notion that someone can't have a valid opinion unless they've flown a real Hurricane. In fact, to your point, the OP didn't ask about real life, so I'm not really sure why it was injected - again, not by me - into the dialogue. But, it was asked, so I responded. Simple as that.


** EDIT: I've heard people use the expression that "it flies like it's on rails" regarding the FM, but TBH I'm not sure what that actually means, though I could guess. I put it at a more general feeling something's just not behaving as it should sometimes, with the occasional "No way that could ever happen". But these discussions often deteriorate rapidly, so I've avoided them for the most part. I don't fly these sims because I expect absolute FM fidelity, IMHO that would be sort of stupid to expect, to be clear. TBH I only chimed in here because someone interjected concerning 'real' flight experience.

Ha, yeah, I kind of regret opening my mouth, I only responded to the thread because the developer promoted for some.

I like what I've seen of WotR so far, and look forward to what is to come.It is ultimately very enjoyable to play and worth the money, regardless of any comparison-based criticism I've listed earlier.

^^This. I'm in the same category,I'm having fun,I'm enjoying it immensely same as I enjoy WOFF and countless other sims. And that's what I play games (and that's what they are) for..Fun.

Fwiw I've never flown a real life aircraft specifically the Hurricane or Emil and unless these craft have been flown by someone that flies these sims then surely everything else is pure guesswork?
If anyone here has actually flown these planes then I'd love to hear your comments..and even then il continue to have fun in this sim,it may sound selfish but that's what I purchase games for.

Regards
Adger

The rails comment, is in reference to a more linear flight path...Ie: the aircraft's response offers less lag and instability, so its behaviour is more restricted with less vertical and lateral deviance. Some people expect a given object to behave more like a feather flying through the air at low speed, as compared to a dart or javelin at high speed. If you're expecting a buffeting feather, you'd be disappointed with a coursing bullet or javelin.

From my perspective it's all down to the person playing the game... I have RoF, BoS, WoFF, WoTR, IL2 1946 and quite a few others. I enjoy playing all of them, they all give me hours of fun and enjoyment.
They 'all' have aspects that need improving, they also have aspects that they do better than the others.
If we could take all the things that each sim do really well and make them into a single game, we would be well on the way to having the perfect combat sim.

That said, I will keep them on my HD for years to come I suspect
As it stands, regardless of it's present state, I am enjoying WoTR even as it is now... I'm sure it will improve as time goes on.

Right.

So, I wasn't debating what the rail comment meant, just that it's one way I've heard complaint about FMs expressed - and, as it happens, not one I've used.

Let me say once again that I am not the one who brought up real life flight experience. It's just that this often gets brought up, mostly for two reasons:

1. To somehow discredit a poster's opinion; they've never flown aircraft X, therefore, they can't possibly know anything about how it behaves. (Not really accurate, and usually only brought up simply because the odds are fair that very few who are playing a game actually have flown the "real thing". So, it's relatively safe and easy to cast doubt.)

2. Somehow a given product's producer is extolling the product's virtues by claiming it faithfully reproduces flight dynamics (or the even more abstract "feeling of flight"...which I've always found amusing. Since it's impossible to quantify and entirely subjective, it's another easy claim).

But, for hopefully one final time: I didn't bring it up.

I'd be absolutely thrilled if that happened.

I too have played most of those titles (and the others that often come up, like RB3D and so on...). And you're right, they all have their pros and cons. It just happens the OP in this case asked for specific comparisons.

i did actually do some music for Rise of Flight (1c/777)...it was... an interesting experience.

Nobody's said you have kksnowbear,anyone that reads the posts surely knows that you didn't.

Does that have anything to do with anything OP asked?

No, not really.

Thanks for reminding us though?

Neither does your reply. Hows your reply helped to the OP,s original questions?
Correct me if I'm wrong but..you've had a refund? So you didn't/don't enjoy WOTR?
If that's correct then ( I'm assuming) your here to 'stir" the Pot so to speak..it certainly looks that way to me.

Comparing to other sims, providing experience of other sims, answering the idea that you could combine approaches/elements of other sims/teams... I remain on-topic.

As you can probably tell by now, comparing game X to game Y in the same category (WW2 Flight Simulations) is purely subjective. Using WW1 simulations as an example, sometimes I play WOFF when I feel like the ultimate single player immersion. Sometimes I'll play flying circus in vr when I want to feel like I'm flying in the aircraft and absorb the scenery around me. Sometimes I'll play RoF when I want to joint a multiplayer session. Really depends on my mood at that moment and what will satisfy it. I own games that I can enjoy and have fun.... even if it's just a mindless game of smashing things like in Red Faction.

I already answered OP's question.

Leave your presumptive melodrama at the door.

Simply asking questions like yourself

Having followed this thread, and out of pure intellectual interest, I would love here from someone who has flown the aircraft, comment on the pros/cons of the FM's.
I realize that there is the possibility that the FM's / sim engine may not be able to simulate the full flight characteristics of the given models, but it would provide some background knowledge that could be drawn upon and applied if it is at all possible, sometime in the future.

Best Regards to all

Oh whoa is me, you're so infinitely clever... Whatever shall I do?

Please.

"Whatever shall I do?"
Go and play something else?? Maybe something you'll enjoy more?
Something you'll have more fun with?
Isn't that the idea of playing video games..to have fun?

It'd be great to have somebody like that on board Robert,it really would.

In the meantime I Personnally trust Pat Pattles recommendations,the mans been around I believe he certainly knows what he's talking about.

I know nothing about flying planes. I'm afraid of heights, in fact. I haven't bought WOTR, and won't until I have a PC to run it. However, I do have WOFF and several other flight sims, so have some qualifications to comment. I just wish to say, if WOTR is the WWII equivalent of WOFF, it has the makings of a fine simulation of the Battle of Britain, as in being the nearest equivalent one can have of being in the battle while sitting in front of your pc. It provides that defiance of ho-hum reality by more than specific details as in an accurate flight model or whatever, but by a general attention to a whole gamut of details that combine to provide the experience. That is why it is very likely to become very popular with a lot of people that like that kind of thing. It may even put strain on some marriages.